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Does Anyone See Past Limerick Winning The Hurling All Ireland?

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Replying To Viking66: "Id say thats a definite. Up to us to bring our A game." I;d be surprised if Wexford don't win that comfortably. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4168 - 10/04/2026 13:42:47 2665594 Link
Replying To Viking66: "In my time around we have been around the same. 1 Senior AI each in my adult lifetime. Not sure the rest of it means anything really, minor and u20 are development grades, and club success is only really meaningful to me if its my club being successful." I'd no idea you were such a young fella, a babe in the 1980s. Are you experienced enough at all to pass comment on this? Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4651 - 10/04/2026 13:53:27 2665596 Link
Replying To Viking66: "If you are going back to the 80s, then why not go back to the 50s? And at the end of the day who really cares about minor or u21 AIs? Most of our most successful players in history never won a Leinster minor title, never mind an AI minor one. And we have dozens of lads who won minor AIs who never won a Senior AI. And Galway are the same. They had 4 AI winning minor teams in a row in the last decade that never won an u20 AI, and most of whom never even played Senior intercounty, never mind won a Senior AI." You're belittling u21 wins and u21 competition, and then go on to belittle players who didn't win u21s. Make up your mind like a good lad. The correlation between u21 and senior success is quite high imo. Clare Limerick Tipp Cork have dominated the grade for 14 seasons, and have the beat senior sides our of it for the last 8 years. Galway's 4 senior wins 1980-2017 were preceded by u21 wins in '72, '78, '83, '86, 2007 and 2011. Most of Wexford's senior intercounty success was post 2nd world war, but before the introduction of underage intercounty competition in the sixties, which perhaps is jaundicing your view there about the value of intercounty minor and u21 grades as underage talent pipelines for senior success. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4651 - 10/04/2026 14:14:16 2665601 Link
Replying To Viking66: "If you are going back to the 80s, then why not go back to the 50s? And at the end of the day who really cares about minor or u21 AIs? Most of our most successful players in history never won a Leinster minor title, never mind an AI minor one. And we have dozens of lads who won minor AIs who never won a Senior AI. And Galway are the same. They had 4 AI winning minor teams in a row in the last decade that never won an u20 AI, and most of whom never even played Senior intercounty, never mind won a Senior AI." Easy to say you don't care about minor when you're not winning them. If no one cared why do so many attend or watch the games? The players who win will remember them as will their clubs. richiepmurphy (Kilkenny) - Posts: 65 - 10/04/2026 15:00:35 2665609 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I'd no idea you were such a young fella, a babe in the 1980s. Are you experienced enough at all to pass comment on this?" I turned 18 in 1989. And I've a good bit of experience of what following losing teams is like as an adult!!!! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19157 - 10/04/2026 15:01:11 2665610 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "You're belittling u21 wins and u21 competition, and then go on to belittle players who didn't win u21s. Make up your mind like a good lad. The correlation between u21 and senior success is quite high imo. Clare Limerick Tipp Cork have dominated the grade for 14 seasons, and have the beat senior sides our of it for the last 8 years. Galway's 4 senior wins 1980-2017 were preceded by u21 wins in '72, '78, '83, '86, 2007 and 2011. Most of Wexford's senior intercounty success was post 2nd world war, but before the introduction of underage intercounty competition in the sixties, which perhaps is jaundicing your view there about the value of intercounty minor and u21 grades as underage talent pipelines for senior success." Awfulnonsensealtogether. Imagine demeaning all Ireland minor and u21 winning teams. Everyone remembers great minors like dj Carey, Joe canning, eoin Kelly etc. Limerick current team came from 2 u21 winning teams richiepmurphy (Kilkenny) - Posts: 65 - 10/04/2026 15:04:18 2665612 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "You're belittling u21 wins and u21 competition, and then go on to belittle players who didn't win u21s. Make up your mind like a good lad. The correlation between u21 and senior success is quite high imo. Clare Limerick Tipp Cork have dominated the grade for 14 seasons, and have the beat senior sides our of it for the last 8 years. Galway's 4 senior wins 1980-2017 were preceded by u21 wins in '72, '78, '83, '86, 2007 and 2011. Most of Wexford's senior intercounty success was post 2nd world war, but before the introduction of underage intercounty competition in the sixties, which perhaps is jaundicing your view there about the value of intercounty minor and u21 grades as underage talent pipelines for senior success." The Leinster minor hurling Championship is on the go since the 1920s. Started the same year as the AI minor hurling championship. Agreed these days it helps to have underage success to kerp positivity up in a county, and also that u20 is a better indicator than minor, although its not as good an indicator as the old u21 was. As regards minor I don't think any of the current Limerick panel won an AI minor title. None of Clares AI winners of 2024 won one, and pretty sure none or nearly none of Clares 2013 panel won one either. Cork have only won 1 AI minor title since 2001, and have reached numerous AI Senior finals in that time. Waterford have won 2 since 2013 but havent won a Senior AI since the 1950s. I dont think there's a strong correlation at all between Minor and Senior success. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19157 - 10/04/2026 15:12:15 2665613 Link
Replying To richiepmurphy: "Awfulnonsensealtogether. Imagine demeaning all Ireland minor and u21 winning teams. Everyone remembers great minors like dj Carey, Joe canning, eoin Kelly etc. Limerick current team came from 2 u21 winning teams" Carey, Canning and Kelly are remembered as great hurlers because of how they played and what they won as adults, not as underage players. Noone remembers great minor players unless they make it as Seniors. One of the best u21 hurlers I saw in the last 10 years or so was a countyman of yours, Richie Leahy, and half the posters on this forum have probably never heard of him. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19157 - 10/04/2026 15:17:45 2665616 Link
Replying To Viking66: "In my time around we have been around the same. 1 Senior AI each in my adult lifetime. Not sure the rest of it means anything really, minor and u20 are development grades, and club success is only really meaningful to me if its my club being successful." If you were 18 in 1989 then the count is 4 to 1 in Galways favour surely. Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 181 - 10/04/2026 15:23:06 2665617 Link
Replying To richiepmurphy: "Easy to say you don't care about minor when you're not winning them. If no one cared why do so many attend or watch the games? The players who win will remember them as will their clubs." I go to underage games because they are usually good games to watch. And obviously Id be delighted if the Wexford, or Taghmon, lads playing win. But as a measure of success of a County overall, Senior AI wins are the measure, as Im sure you are well aware of coming from Kilkenny. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19157 - 10/04/2026 15:28:06 2665620 Link
Replying To Tadhg2020: "If you were 18 in 1989 then the count is 4 to 1 in Galways favour surely." Galway have only won 1 since 1989. In 2017. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19157 - 10/04/2026 15:29:29 2665621 Link
Replying To richiepmurphy: "Adam English was arguably the player of the league. In fact John mullane said he was in his opinion on the indo sport podcast" Well if Mullane said it it must be true :D Overdahill (Galway) - Posts: 98 - 10/04/2026 16:04:48 2665626 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Galway have only won 1 since 1989. In 2017." You were born at a very convenient year for this argument to be fair Overdahill (Galway) - Posts: 98 - 10/04/2026 16:14:09 2665627 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Galway have only won 1 since 1989. In 2017." You have no memory of anything before the age of 18? WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2754 - 10/04/2026 16:29:48 2665632 Link
Replying To Viking66: "If you are going back to the 80s, then why not go back to the 50s? And at the end of the day who really cares about minor or u21 AIs? Most of our most successful players in history never won a Leinster minor title, never mind an AI minor one. And we have dozens of lads who won minor AIs who never won a Senior AI. And Galway are the same. They had 4 AI winning minor teams in a row in the last decade that never won an u20 AI, and most of whom never even played Senior intercounty, never mind won a Senior AI." I would imagine the 16 and 17 year olds playing minor inter county hurling care and the 18/19 and 20 year olds playing u20 care!!! Ridiculous statement Goreylad1985 (Wexford) - Posts: 24 - 10/04/2026 16:33:23 2665634 Link
Replying To Viking66: "The Leinster minor hurling Championship is on the go since the 1920s. Started the same year as the AI minor hurling championship. Agreed these days it helps to have underage success to kerp positivity up in a county, and also that u20 is a better indicator than minor, although its not as good an indicator as the old u21 was. As regards minor I don't think any of the current Limerick panel won an AI minor title. None of Clares AI winners of 2024 won one, and pretty sure none or nearly none of Clares 2013 panel won one either. Cork have only won 1 AI minor title since 2001, and have reached numerous AI Senior finals in that time. Waterford have won 2 since 2013 but havent won a Senior AI since the 1950s. I dont think there's a strong correlation at all between Minor and Senior success." Nobody said there was any correlation, let alone a strong one, between minor and senior success. On the other hand, there is strong correlation between u21 and senior success, as I've already outlined. This is very obvious in the last 10-15 years even, with the Munster takeover of the u21 allireland series 2012-2025 (KK pipped one), and now this is bearing fruit in the senior championship, with the current jibing about Leinster being a bit of a B championship, compared to the real GAA jewel in the crown, the MHC. There's exceptions too. Offaly 1994-98 won 3 minors, no u21s, and 2 seniors, even if they needed a monumental Limerick collapse, and some unfortunate time keeping from the late Jimmy Cooney to pull it off. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4651 - 10/04/2026 16:48:09 2665642 Link
Replying To Goreylad1985: "I would imagine the 16 and 17 year olds playing minor inter county hurling care and the 18/19 and 20 year olds playing u20 care!!! Ridiculous statement" That's true. They care and their parents care also. But Viking is right. All Ireland senior titles won is the yardstick by which counties are judged. Nobody keeps count of titles in minor or U-21 or whatever it is now. So, to settle matters. In senior hurling Wexford has 6 titles, Galway has 5. They are almost even, but Wexford is the more prominent hurling county with a stronger hurling history. Who can ever forget all those great battles with Kilkenny over the years, some won, some lost, with great names like Quigley, Doran, Jacob, and Storey? It is different story in Galway, being isolated in Connacht for years, and the allowing them a free ride into the AI semi-final for years and years, militated against the development of a comparable hurling psyche and culture to Wexford. We don't hear of titanic battles like The Diamond Heyden versus Nicky Rackard. We got it in the 1980's alright, with the exploits of Sylvie on Nicky English, and Bredan Lynskey on just about anyone. The 1980's laid a good foundation for a hurling culture in Galway, but by the 1980's a hundred years of hurling had already been done in places like Kilkenny, Wexford, Limerick, Cork, and Tipperary. There is a hurling culture there in Galway, but it never ignited after the 80's in a way that many anticipated. So, when I think of Galway, I think of Gaelic football: 9 AI football titles, the great teams of the 1960's, the terrible twins, Purcell and Stockwell from the 1950's, but going back even to the 1930's through the Donnellan's, with AI titles won by the family in the 1930's, the 1960's and the 1990's. When Galway football is mentioned, names fall off the tongue, just like the Rackards, Dorans, and Quigleys of Wexford hurling. Wexford has 5 AI senior football titles, yet few of us consider it to be a footballing county. Five, the exact same number as Galway has in senior hurling. So, can you see my drift? foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2489 - 10/04/2026 17:41:42 2665650 Link
Replying To Goreylad1985: "I would imagine the 16 and 17 year olds playing minor inter county hurling care and the 18/19 and 20 year olds playing u20 care!!! Ridiculous statement" Obviously they care. Our u14s care if they win a club game. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19157 - 10/04/2026 17:49:31 2665651 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "You have no memory of anything before the age of 18?" I said in my adult lifetime Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19157 - 10/04/2026 17:49:59 2665652 Link
Replying To Overdahill: "You were born at a very convenient year for this argument to be fair" I was ;-) Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19157 - 10/04/2026 17:50:43 2665653 Link