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I get what you're saying. But McHugh is a top class coach and we could see how fit the team were this year probably as a result of his influence. He certainly was very popular with the squad. But perhaps he would be better to stay on as head coach with a top manager coming in also. I see someone mentioned about Des Dolan coming back; I seriously doubt this is being considered. It would be a very backwards step if true.
Matthew (None) - Posts: 1092 - 29/08/2025 20:54:53 2634158 Link 1 |
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I'll be supirised if that link/story is true. McHugh has stayed no longer than a year with any team he's been involved with.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3753 - 30/08/2025 02:47:11 2634189 Link 0 |
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An interesting observation from the Roscommon Senior Football championship : In one of the groups Clan Na Gael, St. Faithleach's and Padraig Pearses finished level on points ( 4 each ) . The score differance was Clan +11, Pearses +9, Faithleach's +7. The final standings have Failtheach's ahead of Pearses . Seemingly due to a head to head . This is not how the rules apply in Westmeath . It would be straight forward score difference . How can the rules on this be different in Roscommon to Westmeath. These rules were directives from Croke Park I thought , so they should apply similar in every county. I would appreciate any comments . loughree (Westmeath) - Posts: 78 - 30/08/2025 14:31:13 2634239 Link 0 |
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In Westmeath it's not just straight score difference. If 2 teams finish level on points it's head to head between those 2 teams that determines who finishes ahead. If 3 teams finish level, again it's head to head but if the 3 teams all beat each other it then goes to points difference but only the points between those 3 teams are taken into account. It's like a mini league with those 3 teams. Any points difference against other teams are disregarded. I presume this is how it works in Roscommon too and that's why Faithleach's finished ahead of Pearses. Taking the results between those 3 teams against each other they all had 2 points so it goes to score difference. Clann are +4 and Faithleach's and Pearses are both -2. I presume it then goes to points scored (not fully sure though) so Faithleach's finish ahead of Pearses.
Westmeath fan (Westmeath) - Posts: 64 - 31/08/2025 11:53:54 2634311 Link 1 |
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I'd imagine it's gone on results or score difference based on a mini league between the three teams that are level on points. So only the points between the three teams against each other are counted taking out the results against the bottom team
mintyfresh (Westmeath) - Posts: 269 - 31/08/2025 11:54:08 2634312 Link 0 |
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So it took McCabe and McHugh to show him there was actual young talent in Westmeath if he had wanted to look for it. Would be a crazy move to re-appoint Dessie.
johnnyh (Westmeath) - Posts: 15 - 31/08/2025 18:26:58 2634363 Link 4 |
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Agreed
CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 373 - 31/08/2025 20:28:18 2634397 Link 2 |
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Not sure why Dessie suddenly getting criticised all of a sudden. We were extremely competitive under him in the All Ireland series last two years and in both years we were in the toughest group. He may not have introduced as many new players as some would like but it's not certain that McCabe would have either except he had to. Maguire, McCormack, O' Toole, Drumm, Heslin, Daly were all unavailable to McCabe so he had to look at youth. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2337 - 31/08/2025 22:28:07 2634409 Link 0 |
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I fully agree, Claretandblue. Dessie was loyal to players who had served us well for years, and they didn't let him down. In fact, they performed as well as, if not better than, most Westmeath teams in recent years, and were despeerately unlucky not to progress further in a really tough group. Leinster didn't go well for them, but does anyone seriously believe we should have won Leinster in either of those years? I'd be interested in hearing from those criricising Dessie as to who he should have dropped, and what young players he should have brought in to replace them.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 630 - 01/09/2025 12:24:39 2634462 Link 0 |
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Don't worry about expecting a response to valid questions on this forum. The lads here who whinge and moan rarely respond when specifics are required.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2337 - 01/09/2025 15:21:34 2634509 Link 0 |
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Before I start this rant I want to say I don't think Dessie should take the job again I think it would be great for a fresh face but I can't let people bad mouth him on here without the facts. If John Heslin, Kevin Maguire, Ronan O'Toole, Sam Duncan, David Lynch, Andy McCormack, Charlie Drumm, and Senan Baker had all been available this past year, every one of them would have started. Dessie Dolan always picked the strongest fifteen he had at his disposal, and so did McCabe. The key difference is that McCabe's hand was forced by injuries and retirements within the squad. That's 8 players of this years team not getting game time if the established players were around. The young players you're referring to never stepped up during Dessie's era to take a jersey from any of these established names. They haven't achieved anything yet neither keeping us in Division 3 nor driving us to a Tailteann Cup semi-final or final. In my opinion, if the players I mentioned above had been available, we would have stayed in Division 3. Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 569 - 01/09/2025 15:22:38 2634510 Link 0 |
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James Dolan is another that wasn't available to McCabe, so that makes it nine. I agree that Dessie shouldn't take the job again, but I don't think he wants it either. I'm not aware that he has put his name forward, but that doesn't seem to stop some people from having a go at him.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 630 - 01/09/2025 15:58:37 2634519 Link 0 |