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Replying To Viking66:  "Moving on to Leinster, the first and most obvious problem with the Round Robin format is that it is capped, so the increased number of games can be played. This means that counties who would be around the same level as some counties in the Leinster Championship no longer can play in it every year, as they used to be able to do under the old system.
The problem with Galway being in it is it means real Leinster counties have even less of a chance of winning Leinster than they used to. Winning a Leinster means nothing to any child in Galway, or any other person in Galway. Ive yet to meet someone from Galway who considers themselves to be a Leinster person.
On the other hand winning a Leinster provides a huge boost to the game of hurling in Dublin, Offaly and Wexford. Last time we won one there was a noticeable uptick in numbers of young lads around the county pucking a ball on the streets and green areas. It really made that much of a difference.
None of us are close to winning an AI right now, so winning a Provincial is probably our realistic ceiling.
Galway only wanted to join Leinster to get some competitive games before an AISF, as they felt they were at a disadvantage coming in cold. Personally I think they were right. If we have a proper AI series, like Football or else an AI round robin, then Galway wouldn't want or need to be playing in Leinster at all. Which would be good for the game in the Leinster counties.
If we did similar for minor and u20 it would provide a similar boost for the Leinster counties. For example Westmeath might well have reached a Leinster minor final or even won it this year. Instead they didnt make the knockout stages at all."
This argument is old hat. We have a tiered system and its a good system. You yourself have agreed with this. You speak out both sides of your mouth on it actually. You want relegation from Munster. You want 6 teams or more( depending on the day) in leinster. You acknowledge that the 6th team has damaged the leinster championship in other posts and here you want more. Really you just want Wexford winning and qualifying. You are prepared to slash and burn everything to achieve that.
You are miles away from winning Leinster. You have won 2 in 26 years and Galway werent present for half of that time. I think they have only won 4 since joining. They aren't your problem. Wexford are Wexfords problem.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 709 - 02/07/2026 15:20:21    2683695

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Replying To Viking66:  "Lastly as regards raising the standard of hurling around the county an AI series would give the participants the chance of regular games against the top counties in the country. Yes, there will be some beatings dished out, especially in the first few years. But it should provide experience and incentive for the weaker to work harder. Noone likes getting hammered.
An AI series would also raise the profile of hurling nationally, as there would be more games later in the year, and more different match ups.

All in all when you take out the money end of things, I can't think of a single good reason, for the good of hurling as a whole, or for the competitiveness of Munster and Leinster as Championships in their own right, for persisting with the current Provincial Round Robins."
So the weaker counties would receive the reward of incentive to work harder from the beatings? What do the Munster teams get out of it? Or are we to act as missionaries again?
How has this incentive to work harder worked out in Wexford? You have had decades of it now and it doesnt serm to be reaping any rewards. Its a very weak argument that's not based on any evidence. You dont need to lose to us to be motivated to improve. You get all the motivation you need in Leinster. You should be streets ahead of Dublin and Offaly. You should be right on the heels of KK at every level. You aren't. Thats not Munsters fault. Thats on Wexford hurling. You have had decades of pain to no avail.
You cant think of a single good reason for wexford you mean.
The round robin provides loads of games for everyone. It gives the sport a high profile. It allows fans to watch their hero's play their rivals at home in the championship regularly every year. Its ticks all the boxes of successful sports tournaments.
You just dont like it because your county aren't putting the work in and improving. This season proves that beyond doubt. It was KK worst year in many a while and you still finished below them. Offaly, who were a McDonagh Cup team two seasons ago are out working you and using the round robin to do so. They got rewarded for that hard work. Yes the quarter final was a step too far and KK will be back but they got rewarded for the work they have put it and prove that the round robin isnt the problem. Its teams and fans attitude.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 709 - 02/07/2026 15:33:19    2683696

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Replying To Viking66:  "This is an excellent read, rare for our media-
Éamon O'Shea: Corkeconomics will not be around forever to save hurling https://share.google/3i5h2MdO1GS1sifzs"
He agrees! August for the All Irelands. It solves most problems structure wise. It allows the RR in both provinces to have a week between most if not all rounds. It extends the RR to the end of june. Most counties were out by then anyway. It allows the players recover and perform at their optimum more often. It allows fans and media space to do their thing. This would apply to the Joe, Christy, Nicky and Lory too. They would probably end in mid July instead of june.
On promotion in urban areas, I think it needs to be done. The whole south side of Limerick City centre is pretty much a gaa waste land now. Mungret which is a Suburb to the west and Monaleen a suburb to the east are thriving but the old South side of the city which is covered by Old Christians, Claughaun and St Patricks is struggling. OC only have one team now. They have a junior hurling team and no underage at all. Claughaun are intermediate in football and junior in hurling and have very poor underage. Saints have intermediate football and Junior hurling also and very poor underage. They did produce Gearoid. OC produced his dad and Claughaun Mike Galligan, Gussy Ryan and Leo o Connor. They were the last players each club produced afaik. All 3 have very good facilities but need real help. History prevents amalgamation.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 709 - 02/07/2026 15:52:54    2683700

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Replying To Viking66:  "Lastly as regards raising the standard of hurling around the county an AI series would give the participants the chance of regular games against the top counties in the country. Yes, there will be some beatings dished out, especially in the first few years. But it should provide experience and incentive for the weaker to work harder. Noone likes getting hammered.
An AI series would also raise the profile of hurling nationally, as there would be more games later in the year, and more different match ups.

All in all when you take out the money end of things, I can't think of a single good reason, for the good of hurling as a whole, or for the competitiveness of Munster and Leinster as Championships in their own right, for persisting with the current Provincial Round Robins."
I had a look at this from a calender perspective.

You can only be talking about pushing a knockout provincial championship into April. Thats not acceptable.
Even if you start it on first weekend of May( which is early) that has the provincial finals on the same weekends as this year. Round 1- first weekend of May, Semi finals - 3rd weekend of May, Finals - 1st weekend of June.
That puts the quarter finals on the 3rd weekend of june , semi finals 1st weekend of July and final 3rd weekend of July so the same as now but with much less games. There is no appetite for knockout hurling week on week. Its the issue with the football imo. Noone has time to breath or enjoy the moment. There is also no need for in an 11 ( should be 10) team format.

Being devils advocate there is a possibility of the following( id be against it myself)- 2 groups of 3 after the provincial finals.
Group 1- Munster champions, Leinster 2nd and 3rd.
Group 2- Leinster Champions, Munster 2nd and 3rd.
Each team plays each other once home or away. The timing of the provincial champs round 1 should be favourable to them( im thinking round 2 at home but id have to look at all possibilities) played over 3rd , 4th weekends of june and 1st weekend of July. To fit in with current season structure there cant be a semi final so top team in each group play final on 3rd sunday of July but ideally semi finals would be that weekend with the final on 1st weekend of August.
That protects the RR series and gives more games in june July. It gives you your games against Munster teams if you are good enough. Im against it because its an awful lot of hurling and is sure to affect performance standards through injury, fatigue and suspension. I see merit in theory though.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 709 - 02/07/2026 16:23:32    2683718

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "Ok I will start with this one. You can ignore attendance all you want and the reasons for same all you want. It doesnt change anything.
Money first- yes money is important. Its very important. In the end everything comes down to money. Thats how the world works. I didnt make it that way but im not naive either. I dont think you are so why do you conveniently push it to one side all the time? Probably because your county doesnt get any of it.
You also conveniently ignore what generates that money. Its the product that is the Munster Championship round robin. 92% capacity last season and consistently up around that. Thats genuine interest and you dismiss it as nothing or easily replaced. It isnt and wont be.
We all play the same amount of games both home and away. Thats part of its huge attraction. I do say its better now precisely for this reason. Its fairer and gives teams a season that they can plan for. Fans too.
Catching one of the big teams in a knockout game as you put it shouldn't be what a Championship is about. If that's what you are looking for you have lost already. Championship is about the best not the luckiest. That can still happen. It happened twice last year and may happen this year yet but its not what Championship is supposed to be about.
Tipperary are not a small county with fewer players. They have a much bigger playing population than most counties. Waterford have the same amount of Senior Clubs as limerick.
As for your last point. Munster was dominated by Tipp and Cork for most of its existence. This system allows teams develop and will see teams rise and fall over time."
"Catching one of the big teams in a knockout game as you put it shouldn't be what a Championship is about"

Isn't this what Tipp did last year? Do you think Cork deserved to win it then? Because they won a Munster title played under a Round Robin format?

"This system allows teams develop and will see teams rise and fall over time."

How so? You said before that how good a county team gets reflects work put in on the ground. Now you are contradicting yourself, you are now saying the format/structure makes a difference. Your own countys current success owes nothing to the Round Robin format. Also you won both the AIs and both Munsters in 2020 and 2021.

"Money first- yes money is important."

Im glad we agree about one thing, we both know that money is the most important consideration for you.

"Waterford have the same amount of Senior Clubs as limerick"

Unlike Limerick one club in Waterford has won the last 12 titles in a row. The most ever in Limerick was 7 in a row, achieved twice by Ahane in the 30s and 40s. No other Limerick club has even won 4 in a row. Limerick is and always was a more competitive county championship. Which is probably why ye have 12 AIs, and Waterford only have 2.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20199 - 02/07/2026 16:40:43    2683726

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "This argument is old hat. We have a tiered system and its a good system. You yourself have agreed with this. You speak out both sides of your mouth on it actually. You want relegation from Munster. You want 6 teams or more( depending on the day) in leinster. You acknowledge that the 6th team has damaged the leinster championship in other posts and here you want more. Really you just want Wexford winning and qualifying. You are prepared to slash and burn everything to achieve that.
You are miles away from winning Leinster. You have won 2 in 26 years and Galway werent present for half of that time. I think they have only won 4 since joining. They aren't your problem. Wexford are Wexfords problem."
"You want relegation from Munster"

I dont particularly want relegation from Munster, but its unfair that there is relegation from Leinster without there being relegation from Munster

"You want 6 teams or more( depending on the day) in leinster"

I want the Leinster Championship to be for Leinster counties. Every hurling county in Leinster except Kilkenny didnt want Galway in the Leinster Championship. I do see that its unfair on them to have to go into an AI series cold though.

"You acknowledge that the 6th team has damaged the leinster championship in other posts and here you want more."

I said the 6th team has damaged the Leinster Round Robin. Which it did. Now Im proposing we do away with the Provincial RRs altogether. Its not fair on the counties that have yoyod up and down.

"You have won 2 in 26 years and Galway werent present for half of that time"

Galway are in Leinster nearly 20 years. We wouldve won more than 2 had they not been in it.

"Really you just want Wexford winning and qualifying."

I dont think our chances of winning a knockout Leinster Championship would be improved over the Round Robin system. In fact with our recent record against middle tier counties Id be thinking it might reduce our chances of winning a Leinster in the short term. Long term obviously Id hope it would make us more competitive at every level.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20199 - 02/07/2026 16:50:12    2683727

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "So the weaker counties would receive the reward of incentive to work harder from the beatings? What do the Munster teams get out of it? Or are we to act as missionaries again?
How has this incentive to work harder worked out in Wexford? You have had decades of it now and it doesnt serm to be reaping any rewards. Its a very weak argument that's not based on any evidence. You dont need to lose to us to be motivated to improve. You get all the motivation you need in Leinster. You should be streets ahead of Dublin and Offaly. You should be right on the heels of KK at every level. You aren't. Thats not Munsters fault. Thats on Wexford hurling. You have had decades of pain to no avail.
You cant think of a single good reason for wexford you mean.
The round robin provides loads of games for everyone. It gives the sport a high profile. It allows fans to watch their hero's play their rivals at home in the championship regularly every year. Its ticks all the boxes of successful sports tournaments.
You just dont like it because your county aren't putting the work in and improving. This season proves that beyond doubt. It was KK worst year in many a while and you still finished below them. Offaly, who were a McDonagh Cup team two seasons ago are out working you and using the round robin to do so. They got rewarded for that hard work. Yes the quarter final was a step too far and KK will be back but they got rewarded for the work they have put it and prove that the round robin isnt the problem. Its teams and fans attitude."
"What do the Munster teams get out of it? Or are we to act as missionaries again?"

I presume you are joking? Munster Council have done nothing for hurling outside of 3 or 4 counties in Munster itself. Your Provincial Council hasnt even really grown hurling in 2 of your own counties, both former AI Hurling winners who have been left on the hurling scrapheap. Around 60 years and 130 years since they won an AI.

"The round robin provides loads of games for everyone"

No it doesn't. It provides that opportunity for a select few, a few that would be ring fenced, for financial reasons, if you had your way. 10 counties with no promotion or relegation.

"Offaly, who were a McDonagh Cup team two seasons ago are out working you and using the round robin to do so."

Offaly had a team of good young lads who came along at the same time, and had a great coach in Keith Screeney. Limerick have shown what is possible when a generational team comes together at the same time over the last 8 years. Kilkenny did in the noughties. Galway in the late 80s. Cork in the 70s. Ourselves and Tipp in the 50s and 60s. Cork in the 40s. Limerick and Kilkenny in the 30s. None of the above success is or was down to Round Robin Provincial formats. And your claiming it is down to the Round Robin format is making me question your judgement altogether:-D

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20199 - 02/07/2026 17:03:06    2683733

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "He agrees! August for the All Irelands. It solves most problems structure wise. It allows the RR in both provinces to have a week between most if not all rounds. It extends the RR to the end of june. Most counties were out by then anyway. It allows the players recover and perform at their optimum more often. It allows fans and media space to do their thing. This would apply to the Joe, Christy, Nicky and Lory too. They would probably end in mid July instead of june.
On promotion in urban areas, I think it needs to be done. The whole south side of Limerick City centre is pretty much a gaa waste land now. Mungret which is a Suburb to the west and Monaleen a suburb to the east are thriving but the old South side of the city which is covered by Old Christians, Claughaun and St Patricks is struggling. OC only have one team now. They have a junior hurling team and no underage at all. Claughaun are intermediate in football and junior in hurling and have very poor underage. Saints have intermediate football and Junior hurling also and very poor underage. They did produce Gearoid. OC produced his dad and Claughaun Mike Galligan, Gussy Ryan and Leo o Connor. They were the last players each club produced afaik. All 3 have very good facilities but need real help. History prevents amalgamation."
Urban areas participation in our games is a huge problem for us nationally. And thats before we even get into cost of land for grounds etc.
Personally Ive come around to the view that we can't extend the county season into August, though Id like to myself in ways. The players dont want it.
How about this for a way of having more hurling games later in the year.
1-Put Galway into Munster to even up the Provinces to 6 teams each. Makes more geographical sense anyway, Galway is a looooooong long way from here. And would give upcoming counties in Leinster more chance to acclimatise.
2- do away with League finals
3- 2 groups of 6 in Provincial Round Robins, playing home and away, so 10 games each overall. Then top 2 into Provincial finals, with the winners playing eachother in the AI final last week of July. Round Robins finishing last week June/1st week in July, 2 weeks to Provincial finals, then 2 weeks to AI finals? Id still prefer an AI Round Robin series myself, trips to Ennis and Limerick for Championship games instead of League games, but how about that for a compromise to get more hurling later in the year?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20199 - 02/07/2026 17:13:15    2683734

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "I had a look at this from a calender perspective.

You can only be talking about pushing a knockout provincial championship into April. Thats not acceptable.
Even if you start it on first weekend of May( which is early) that has the provincial finals on the same weekends as this year. Round 1- first weekend of May, Semi finals - 3rd weekend of May, Finals - 1st weekend of June.
That puts the quarter finals on the 3rd weekend of june , semi finals 1st weekend of July and final 3rd weekend of July so the same as now but with much less games. There is no appetite for knockout hurling week on week. Its the issue with the football imo. Noone has time to breath or enjoy the moment. There is also no need for in an 11 ( should be 10) team format.

Being devils advocate there is a possibility of the following( id be against it myself)- 2 groups of 3 after the provincial finals.
Group 1- Munster champions, Leinster 2nd and 3rd.
Group 2- Leinster Champions, Munster 2nd and 3rd.
Each team plays each other once home or away. The timing of the provincial champs round 1 should be favourable to them( im thinking round 2 at home but id have to look at all possibilities) played over 3rd , 4th weekends of june and 1st weekend of July. To fit in with current season structure there cant be a semi final so top team in each group play final on 3rd sunday of July but ideally semi finals would be that weekend with the final on 1st weekend of August.
That protects the RR series and gives more games in june July. It gives you your games against Munster teams if you are good enough. Im against it because its an awful lot of hurling and is sure to affect performance standards through injury, fatigue and suspension. I see merit in theory though."
You could run the Provincials in April. They are starting in April as it is.
Your other idea sounds ok for having more gurling games later in the year, although Id go 1st and 3rd in each Province in the same group, and 2nd in each Province in with the 1st and 3rd.
Only problem is that its still only 6 counties playing Championship hurling for around half the Championship window, counting it as April, May, June and July. Only 9 counties in total have ever qualified to be one of those 6 counties to come out of a Round Robin, And Offaly have only qualified to be one of those 6 teams once, and Waterford have never qualified. Waterford have never played Championship hurling for more than 2 months of a year under the Round Robin system, easy to see why most Waterford hurling people hate it. So really you are talking 6 from 8 counties in the AI series.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20199 - 02/07/2026 17:28:01    2683738

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "So the weaker counties would receive the reward of incentive to work harder from the beatings? What do the Munster teams get out of it? Or are we to act as missionaries again?
How has this incentive to work harder worked out in Wexford? You have had decades of it now and it doesnt serm to be reaping any rewards. Its a very weak argument that's not based on any evidence. You dont need to lose to us to be motivated to improve. You get all the motivation you need in Leinster. You should be streets ahead of Dublin and Offaly. You should be right on the heels of KK at every level. You aren't. Thats not Munsters fault. Thats on Wexford hurling. You have had decades of pain to no avail.
You cant think of a single good reason for wexford you mean.
The round robin provides loads of games for everyone. It gives the sport a high profile. It allows fans to watch their hero's play their rivals at home in the championship regularly every year. Its ticks all the boxes of successful sports tournaments.
You just dont like it because your county aren't putting the work in and improving. This season proves that beyond doubt. It was KK worst year in many a while and you still finished below them. Offaly, who were a McDonagh Cup team two seasons ago are out working you and using the round robin to do so. They got rewarded for that hard work. Yes the quarter final was a step too far and KK will be back but they got rewarded for the work they have put it and prove that the round robin isnt the problem. Its teams and fans attitude."
"Its teams and fans attitude"

This also isnt wholly true. Just 2700 were in Cusack Park to see you win a qualifier against Westmeath there in 2015, and there was only 4 points in it with 10 minutes to go, but at the same time I know from personal experience there was massive work going on on the ground in Limerick at that time. I saw some of it with my own 2 eyes.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20199 - 02/07/2026 17:43:30    2683744

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Replying To Viking66:  ""Catching one of the big teams in a knockout game as you put it shouldn't be what a Championship is about"

Isn't this what Tipp did last year? Do you think Cork deserved to win it then? Because they won a Munster title played under a Round Robin format?

"This system allows teams develop and will see teams rise and fall over time."

How so? You said before that how good a county team gets reflects work put in on the ground. Now you are contradicting yourself, you are now saying the format/structure makes a difference. Your own countys current success owes nothing to the Round Robin format. Also you won both the AIs and both Munsters in 2020 and 2021.

"Money first- yes money is important."

Im glad we agree about one thing, we both know that money is the most important consideration for you.

"Waterford have the same amount of Senior Clubs as limerick"

Unlike Limerick one club in Waterford has won the last 12 titles in a row. The most ever in Limerick was 7 in a row, achieved twice by Ahane in the 30s and 40s. No other Limerick club has even won 4 in a row. Limerick is and always was a more competitive county championship. Which is probably why ye have 12 AIs, and Waterford only have 2."
I literally said that it happened twice last year and may happen again this year. You conveniently left that out. Its the exception though not the rule. What exactly are you trying to prove here? How does this nonsense help wexford in any way?

The system allowed both Dublin and Tipp develop last season. It allowed Offaly develop this season. It allowed the limerick Minor team develop this season and it allowed the limerick senior team develop in 2018. Every season presents different challenges and there are no guarantees but regular games in a structured format brings teams on. This is why the round robin is the favoured format in pretty much every county championship. There is no disputing that. Except maybe by you.

I guess when you have nothing left you resort to implied personal insults. Money is important to the GAA and every sporting organisation. They can't function without it.

Limerick Championship has had the same 4 semi finalisists for years. Last season was the first in many a year that the well weren't in it but the other 3 were. We might have more of a variety but its largely a 3 or 4 horse race. Thurles Sarsfields have a massive amount of Tipp championships. I think its close to 40 but its definitely over 30. Before Ballygunner it waa Mount Sion. Ballygunner aren't just the best club in Waterford either. They are the best in Munster and Ireland too. That will end sometime. It always does. The point im making is thst both counties can only sustain 12 senior clubs. If we had more it would be 16.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 709 - 02/07/2026 18:02:17    2683750

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Replying To Viking66:  ""You want relegation from Munster"

I dont particularly want relegation from Munster, but its unfair that there is relegation from Leinster without there being relegation from Munster

"You want 6 teams or more( depending on the day) in leinster"

I want the Leinster Championship to be for Leinster counties. Every hurling county in Leinster except Kilkenny didnt want Galway in the Leinster Championship. I do see that its unfair on them to have to go into an AI series cold though.

"You acknowledge that the 6th team has damaged the leinster championship in other posts and here you want more."

I said the 6th team has damaged the Leinster Round Robin. Which it did. Now Im proposing we do away with the Provincial RRs altogether. Its not fair on the counties that have yoyod up and down.

"You have won 2 in 26 years and Galway werent present for half of that time"

Galway are in Leinster nearly 20 years. We wouldve won more than 2 had they not been in it.

"Really you just want Wexford winning and qualifying."

I dont think our chances of winning a knockout Leinster Championship would be improved over the Round Robin system. In fact with our recent record against middle tier counties Id be thinking it might reduce our chances of winning a Leinster in the short term. Long term obviously Id hope it would make us more competitive at every level."
Again very selective quoting to suit yourself.
Im not going down the relegation rabbit hole again. I was pointing out the contradictory nature of your posts across different threads and on different days not talking about relegation. You know that.

Didn't Galway come in to leinstrr in 2012? Thats 14 years out of 26. Thats pretty close to half. You didnt win more than 1 in the previous 12 years and they have only won 4. You have had plenty of chances. Again blaming others for your shortcomings. Its a pattern.

We agree on this though. You wouldnt win any more in a knockout format. You just hope that the shorter track will cover the cracks.
There is nothing in your history over the last 50 years or so to suggest that knockout hurling suits you..its just wishful and lazy thinking. Its common among fans to think less will amount to more. It generally doesnt.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 709 - 02/07/2026 18:11:40    2683755

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Replying To Viking66:  ""What do the Munster teams get out of it? Or are we to act as missionaries again?"

I presume you are joking? Munster Council have done nothing for hurling outside of 3 or 4 counties in Munster itself. Your Provincial Council hasnt even really grown hurling in 2 of your own counties, both former AI Hurling winners who have been left on the hurling scrapheap. Around 60 years and 130 years since they won an AI.

"The round robin provides loads of games for everyone"

No it doesn't. It provides that opportunity for a select few, a few that would be ring fenced, for financial reasons, if you had your way. 10 counties with no promotion or relegation.

"Offaly, who were a McDonagh Cup team two seasons ago are out working you and using the round robin to do so."

Offaly had a team of good young lads who came along at the same time, and had a great coach in Keith Screeney. Limerick have shown what is possible when a generational team comes together at the same time over the last 8 years. Kilkenny did in the noughties. Galway in the late 80s. Cork in the 70s. Ourselves and Tipp in the 50s and 60s. Cork in the 40s. Limerick and Kilkenny in the 30s. None of the above success is or was down to Round Robin Provincial formats. And your claiming it is down to the Round Robin format is making me question your judgement altogether:-D"
Again more selective quoting and interpretation.
Both you and I have replied to the Mayo man either here or on another thread in relation to him wanting us to send coaches to his county while he coaches soccer. Im paraphrasing but you know what im talking about. What you are proposing amounts to the same thing.
You'd isn't answer the question you quoted either. What is in it for us? Nothing. Thats why you didnt answer. Munster Council is only responsible for Munster but you know that. Its just point scoring.
Kerry focus on football and are damn good at it. Their hurling stronghold remains strong but there is little interest outside of that in rural kerry. Tralee are senior again after 50 years or more and Crokes in Kilarney are improving all the time too.
Waterford may not have win an All Ireland but they have been in plenty of finals. We cannot gift them a title. You again try to portray them as the games paupers. They are far from that and won a minor all ireland last season. Again more point scoring.

Finally, you give credit to Keith Screeney but do not acknowledge the work that has been put in by those players to transition and blossom as seniors. Thats hard work right there through the Ring , McDonagh and leinster round robin twice. That is how they did it. Dont you understand that? Screeney may have started the journey but many others carried to thurles in june 26. Many players came and went during that time bur offaly hurling persevered. Wexford could learna thing or two from that.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 709 - 02/07/2026 18:26:17    2683762

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Replying To Viking66:  ""What do the Munster teams get out of it? Or are we to act as missionaries again?"

I presume you are joking? Munster Council have done nothing for hurling outside of 3 or 4 counties in Munster itself. Your Provincial Council hasnt even really grown hurling in 2 of your own counties, both former AI Hurling winners who have been left on the hurling scrapheap. Around 60 years and 130 years since they won an AI.

"The round robin provides loads of games for everyone"

No it doesn't. It provides that opportunity for a select few, a few that would be ring fenced, for financial reasons, if you had your way. 10 counties with no promotion or relegation.

"Offaly, who were a McDonagh Cup team two seasons ago are out working you and using the round robin to do so."

Offaly had a team of good young lads who came along at the same time, and had a great coach in Keith Screeney. Limerick have shown what is possible when a generational team comes together at the same time over the last 8 years. Kilkenny did in the noughties. Galway in the late 80s. Cork in the 70s. Ourselves and Tipp in the 50s and 60s. Cork in the 40s. Limerick and Kilkenny in the 30s. None of the above success is or was down to Round Robin Provincial formats. And your claiming it is down to the Round Robin format is making me question your judgement altogether:-D"
I forgot to address this misrepresentation of facts.

The round robin system provides 11 games in Munster and 16 games in leinster.
Thats up from 4 ( on odd occasion 5) games in munster and(iirc) 7 games in leinster.
Overall its 27 provincial games ( double or more) and 5 AI series games. Ironically Congress voted to get rid of 2 games from the AI series only last season when they got rid of the preliminary quarter finals. That would indicate a desire for less not more games but what do I know.
The McDonagh, Ring, Rackard and Meagher teams each get 5 RR games each.
Who are these teams that aren't getting wnough games and who are the select few that are?

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 709 - 02/07/2026 18:43:09    2683766

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Shane O'Donnell retiring

hlynch12 (Limerick) - Posts: 152 - 02/07/2026 20:12:25    2683772

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Replying To Viking66:  ""Its teams and fans attitude"

This also isnt wholly true. Just 2700 were in Cusack Park to see you win a qualifier against Westmeath there in 2015, and there was only 4 points in it with 10 minutes to go, but at the same time I know from personal experience there was massive work going on on the ground in Limerick at that time. I saw some of it with my own 2 eyes."
That waa 11 years ago against westmeath in Mullingar. Not exactly a big fixture.
You seem to be implying that we were poor then. We were munster champions in 2013, RU in 2014 and AI Semi finalists that year aswell. We had very good support throughout those years. That game is the equivalent of playing the 6th team in leinster RR. I was there that day and we outnumbered WM fans by 3 to 1.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 709 - 02/07/2026 22:00:51    2683785

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Replying To hlynch12:  "Shane O'Donnell retiring"
Read that. Great player! Hopefully he has success in whatever he chooses to do next in his life!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20199 - 02/07/2026 22:49:36    2683798

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "I forgot to address this misrepresentation of facts.

The round robin system provides 11 games in Munster and 16 games in leinster.
Thats up from 4 ( on odd occasion 5) games in munster and(iirc) 7 games in leinster.
Overall its 27 provincial games ( double or more) and 5 AI series games. Ironically Congress voted to get rid of 2 games from the AI series only last season when they got rid of the preliminary quarter finals. That would indicate a desire for less not more games but what do I know.
The McDonagh, Ring, Rackard and Meagher teams each get 5 RR games each.
Who are these teams that aren't getting wnough games and who are the select few that are?"
You still dont get it. We dont need as many games in April and May, and we need more in June and July, with more counties playing in June and July.
Here's the views of a countyman of yours-
All-Ireland SHC: Liam McCarthy Cup format needs 'tweaks' - Seamus Flanagan - BBC Sport https://share.google/SM50dSlqai7pjNQr7

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20199 - 02/07/2026 22:52:27    2683799

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "I forgot to address this misrepresentation of facts.

The round robin system provides 11 games in Munster and 16 games in leinster.
Thats up from 4 ( on odd occasion 5) games in munster and(iirc) 7 games in leinster.
Overall its 27 provincial games ( double or more) and 5 AI series games. Ironically Congress voted to get rid of 2 games from the AI series only last season when they got rid of the preliminary quarter finals. That would indicate a desire for less not more games but what do I know.
The McDonagh, Ring, Rackard and Meagher teams each get 5 RR games each.
Who are these teams that aren't getting wnough games and who are the select few that are?"
The Mcdonagh, Ring, Rackard and Meagher teams also have no, or nearly no, games in June and none at all in July.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20199 - 02/07/2026 22:56:58    2683800

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Replying To hlynch12:  "Shane O'Donnell retiring"
Unfortunately from a Clare perspective that is all this game will be remembered for, Shane substituted a couple of minutes from the end with us down about eight or nine points. Likewise John Conlon. Others will retire too, David Reidy, David McInerney, Eibhar, maybe Peter Duggan, David Fitzgerald, Conor Cleary,, Shanagher. Though I expect TK to hang around for a couple of years more, but with role changing . But there are good lads waiting on the fringes who are currently not getting a look in, like Cian Galvin, Jack Kirwan, Jack O'Neill, John Conneely, maybe Keith Smyth, plus lads like Jamie Moylan, Eoghan Gunning, and Fred Hegarty are almost ready to step up from the u20s. Meehan, O Farrell, Rynne, Stritch, and Leen, who is putting his hand up again, have all also pointed to a not too worrying future. For Clare, Sunday is the last of the summer wine for one golden era, but also with a lot of hope for what is coming through.

MiAmigaVERONICA (Clare) - Posts: 335 - 03/07/2026 01:29:25    2683810

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