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Replying To Viking66: "It doesn't take away from club. None of our u14s or u15s have missed any club training or matches on account of being in development squads, and pretty sure thats the case for the 2 lads on the u16 development squad also.
All counties are running development squads , so there must be some merit in the idea." Should vd been more specific u17 covers 2 grades .
I dont know the facts so could be off did nt your own amalgamated u18s give walkover in development league final the other night . That is not a judgement r critcism of your club just a fact and I dont know the reasons behind it .
But think about my points and then judge could any of my reasoning appy to or contribute to situations like this .
Think about it having to amalgzmate in first instance is that anything to do with my points . All clubs losing players why? . Apart from age old reasons what else is contributing
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 594 - 22/05/2026 23:16:14
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Replying To Viking66: "We dont have any minors playing adult this year." Fair enough, but I know you're from Taghmon-Camross, and if I'm not mistaken, you're only fielding one team in both football & hurling in the All County Leagues, not taking part in the Cross-District Junior 'B' Hurling League thing, and of course there's no corresponding competition for football, so you're not trying to field a second football team either.
Lot easier to find a squad of about 18 players for just one team in each code without resorting to Minors than it is to find 30 to 35 or more to make up two squads to field two teams.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3689 - 23/05/2026 00:35:45
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To Pikeman96: "[quote=Viking66: "[quote=Pikeman96: "<b>@viking66 </b>- I've never actually said or suggested that starting to play adult hurling a year earlier might not be a benefit to players, and a benefit we might see pay off for our county U20 teams.
But I think it'd be only a very small factor in the overall scheme of things, compared to other things like having effective management teams in place, good coaching, good gameplans, good S&C, and so on. It seems others would have you believe it's the major thing missing that will have a massive effect all by itself."</div>I agree its only 1 thing we need to improve, and that by itself it will only make a small bit of difference.
But if you look at our u20s this year Galway only brought the game into ET with a last puck of a ball 65 out towards the sideline. We were only a very small bit away from winning that game." Or in other words - one slightly less accurate puck from an opposition free-taker, and we'd have been back in a Leinster Final. With a bunch of players who hadn't played adult hurling while still Minors. That's a measure of how small the margin is and is as good an example as any of why I'm not convinced the change will be as significant as many seem to believe it will be."]Plainly we arent going to agree on this. But from talking to numerous people in other counties about this Im firmly of the belief it will help our u20s going forward."]Again, I've never said it won't bring any improvement. I just believe that if it does, it'll only be a very small factor. Maybe of the order of 5% or less. But that the way other people talk, you'd think it's the one major thing that will make more difference than anything else. That's the narrative I'm challenging.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3689 - 23/05/2026 00:41:17
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Replying To Formertownie: "Should vd been more specific u17 covers 2 grades .
I dont know the facts so could be off did nt your own amalgamated u18s give walkover in development league final the other night . That is not a judgement r critcism of your club just a fact and I dont know the reasons behind it .
But think about my points and then judge could any of my reasoning appy to or contribute to situations like this .
Think about it having to amalgzmate in first instance is that anything to do with my points . All clubs losing players why? . Apart from age old reasons what else is contributing" Yeah, it's a bad sign when an amalgamated team like Taghmore Gaels has to give a walkover, presumably because they couldn't field a team between the two clubs involved.
Don't know the reasons. Some of it could be due to the external factors we've been discussing, but could be the case that much of it is due to internal factors that the clubs themselves could better control too.
FWIW, Volunteers also received a walkover in their semi-final, but at least that was from just one club. And in fairness, from a club who I believe were down a few due to county squads in both codes (inclding Celtic Challenage). As well as a few mammies who told lads "you're not going out to play football when the Leaving Cert is just a few weeks away!".
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3689 - 23/05/2026 00:48:23
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Replying To Neveronthefence: "Only players who are on, u17 or u20 squads are not restricted form playing in t g e league, all development squad player are allowed play for their clubs. If lads are not playing then clubs should let squad mentors know. Up to u16 it's club first" My understanding is celtic challenge is meant to be a development squad but now forms part of an extended minor panel and those players are missing for their clubs.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 23/05/2026 07:18:50
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Replying To Formertownie: "Yes that's true up to u15 . But u17 intr county covers 2 grades at club 16 and 18 . At a time when its hard enough to keep lads involved anyway .
Surely bar 20 to 24 players the rest should be playing at club too as well as celtic challenge or u19
If you have 2 on hurling 2 on football u17 have small squad of 20 .if for talk sake u have 2 injured that's 14 now u are looking at walkovers that's great for moral in club and keeping lads involved right ?
All i m saying is too many inter county underage games small league then knock out snd if your beaten at any stage ur out no more back doors side doors if you csnt get in the front door your noymt welcome ." Ah no dont agree with that at all. Intercounty minor is about developing players with the hope they will make it as Seniors. How do you develop lads if they only have one game? As well as that intercounty minor and u20 are over altogether early enough in the year. Plenty of time for all those lads to play for their clubs.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19742 - 23/05/2026 08:02:35
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Replying To Formertownie: "Should vd been more specific u17 covers 2 grades .
I dont know the facts so could be off did nt your own amalgamated u18s give walkover in development league final the other night . That is not a judgement r critcism of your club just a fact and I dont know the reasons behind it .
But think about my points and then judge could any of my reasoning appy to or contribute to situations like this .
Think about it having to amalgzmate in first instance is that anything to do with my points . All clubs losing players why? . Apart from age old reasons what else is contributing" There were more walkovers given. It wasnt only our amalgamation that gave a walkover, the divisions 1 and 2 Cup finals were both conceded also. The fixtures lads shouldve had those finals a little earlier in the year. A week or 2 back.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19742 - 23/05/2026 08:05:18
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It's rather sad really that there are no players from any of our 4 biggest population towns in the county to play against Cork today.
There is just one from the Harriers on the bench and one from the Harriers on the extended panel.
New Ross, Gorey and Enniscorthy have no representives throughout the whole panel.
Our u20 panel wasn't exactly bulging with town players either.
The evidence seems to suggest that other sports are attracting more and more lads to their codes, so ultimately it leaves hurling the poor relation.
This is not only happening now as there has been a trend over the last few years towards low numbers from our main towns providing players to represent the county at underage level.
Looks like all our main towns are dying out fast in a hurling context and obviously then if the trend continues to decline, the senior squads in the towns will suffer greatly in the near future.
No real solutions unfortunately.
If most of our schools in the urban areas are weak at promoting our great game then all we can expect is more of the same.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 691 - 23/05/2026 08:18:19
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I don't know where I stand on the shields debate, but in general I believe anything which keeps lads hurling for longer is good.
I don't wonder if giving medals for winning a shield is a good idea though. I think fair enough let the clubs compete for the shield but a county medal should be for a winner only.
Tomorrow is going to be a frustrating day in Wexford Park and its going to be hard on the players, I just hope some Wexford people go out and show them we have their back. We want these players to stay on and come back next year, an empty Wexford Park will have them wondering why bother.
The easiest thing to do was stay away this year. It was a poor year but we need these lads to stick with it and hope the 20's and minors come through.
On that topic, good luck to the minors today.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 2061 - 23/05/2026 09:36:03
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I agree its only 1 thing we need to improve, and that by itself it will only make a small bit of difference.
But if you look at our u20s this year Galway only brought the game into ET with a last puck of a ball 65 out towards the sideline. We were only a very small bit away from winning that game." Or in other words - one slightly less accurate puck from an opposition free-taker, and we'd have been back in a Leinster Final. With a bunch of players who hadn't played adult hurling while still Minors.
That's a measure of how small the margin is and is as good an example as any of why I'm not convinced the change will be as significant as many seem to believe it will be."]Plainly we arent going to agree on this. But from talking to numerous people in other counties about this Im firmly of the belief it will help our u20s going forward."]Again, I've never said it won't bring any improvement.
I just believe that if it does, it'll only be a very small factor. Maybe of the order of 5% or less. But that the way other people talk, you'd think it's the one major thing that will make more difference than anything else. That's the narrative I'm challenging."]But the thing is, I'm not sure it's a case of fixing one big thing, it's more a case of fixing a load of little things
My father is a club rep at County Board meetings and he said to me after the Kinnerk Report that it was nearly a wonder we aren't even worse considering all the things that need fixing
You could nearly write a list of all the small things that are wrong, changing one thing won't mean much but changing a lot of them would
Quality of club coaching
Quality of development squad coaching
Quality of secondary school coaching
Number of development squad coaches
Number of CB-employed coaches
Number of training sessions at club level
Number of training sessions at secondary school level
Number of training sessions at development squad level
Length of training sessions at development squad level
Lack of district vs district competition at underage level?
S&C at development squad level (Was better at U20 and Minor level this year but can't drop down again, need to push on)
S&C at club level (How many clubs actually do this?)
Length of club season
Absence of hurling programmes in the winter (What Viking says Clare do, maybe ASH becomes this in time)
Number of players on development squad panels
Structure of club championship at adult level
Not enough clubs willing to do out development programmes
Not enough lads hurling off the wall at home
Lack of volunteers across the board
Hurling 365 in need of reform
I might have left out some issues, probably have, would say most people agree with the above and that they are fixable, problem is actually fixing them, I'd say we know what to do but that's a lot different to actually being able to do it
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1293 - 23/05/2026 10:51:44
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Replying To Magpie2: "It's rather sad really that there are no players from any of our 4 biggest population towns in the county to play against Cork today.
There is just one from the Harriers on the bench and one from the Harriers on the extended panel.
New Ross, Gorey and Enniscorthy have no representives throughout the whole panel.
Our u20 panel wasn't exactly bulging with town players either.
The evidence seems to suggest that other sports are attracting more and more lads to their codes, so ultimately it leaves hurling the poor relation.
This is not only happening now as there has been a trend over the last few years towards low numbers from our main towns providing players to represent the county at underage level.
Looks like all our main towns are dying out fast in a hurling context and obviously then if the trend continues to decline, the senior squads in the towns will suffer greatly in the near future.
No real solutions unfortunately.
If most of our schools in the urban areas are weak at promoting our great game then all we can expect is more of the same." I agree with your point in general although Robbie Kehoe is GOH and he has started every day
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1293 - 23/05/2026 11:25:01
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Replying To Magpie2: "It's rather sad really that there are no players from any of our 4 biggest population towns in the county to play against Cork today.
There is just one from the Harriers on the bench and one from the Harriers on the extended panel.
New Ross, Gorey and Enniscorthy have no representives throughout the whole panel.
Our u20 panel wasn't exactly bulging with town players either.
The evidence seems to suggest that other sports are attracting more and more lads to their codes, so ultimately it leaves hurling the poor relation.
This is not only happening now as there has been a trend over the last few years towards low numbers from our main towns providing players to represent the county at underage level.
Looks like all our main towns are dying out fast in a hurling context and obviously then if the trend continues to decline, the senior squads in the towns will suffer greatly in the near future.
No real solutions unfortunately.
If most of our schools in the urban areas are weak at promoting our great game then all we can expect is more of the same." Yes there is Kehoe is from Ross playing full forward
Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 389 - 23/05/2026 11:50:48
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