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Replying To Viking66: "I dont think there was a blueprint for Offaly, just a very good team of players" Offaly may not have had a "blueprint" in the manner of a formally-commissioned study drawn up by experts, but you could bet they had at least some of "things to do" list and notes on each of those things. That would constitute their blueprint. And I for one wouldn't expect them to publish it for all to see.
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Replying To tearintom: "Why are these the only clubs that matter?
One of the biggest issues with Wexford is that thinking that this club is more important than that club.
And you see the same sentiment on here all the time, oh do we really want good hurlers from a certain ckub making county teams blah blah blah.
And then we wonder why a lot of clubs really aren't bothered putting their shoulder to the wheel when they do thyere questioned over whether we really want them do, we really prefer players from the other clubs, we wonder why ckubs dont bother going to coaching seminars or send reps in meetings to try and improve things.
Its the same old mentality, things will never change." To me, another big issue is how many people have chips on their shoulders.
One of them is if you rightly acknowledge good work being done in what would be regarded as "traditional hurling clubs", some think you're putting them on a pedestal and looking down on everybody else.
There's nothing to stop a "non-traditional hurling club" from showing the same resolve and effort. As has already been acknowledged here several times, Ballyhogue are already doing it at younger age groups, and it may well pay off for them in years to come.
And in fact, rather than cocking a snoop at coaching workshops and seminars and meetings and the like, they're probably the clubs that should be availing of them most. A Rathure or an Oulart or an St. Martin's already has lots of people with extensive hurling knowledge. People from other clubs who don't already have that knowledge would stand to gain more from the various events held.
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Replying To countyman2022: "'Leinster Minor might have been one that got away from us tbh'
Is this a real post? Galway beat us by 18 points and we beat a KK team who did not play a number of their team as already through.
Is an 18 point defeat not enough to see we were nowhere near it?" Shush, Did you not know We don't do Facts here!! We are doing great, Wexford Club U10s beat a Tipp Club before Tipp and Clare Senior game…
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Replying To countyman2022: "We got beaten in the semi final by 18 points- how could anybody say we left it behind? Suppose was same last year when they beat us by 12?
The glossing over needs to stop." Hard to Judge the Kilkenny Minor game, without a few players and even more so were already Qualified. Beaten badly by Galway. Galway has had some brilliant underage Teams over the years.
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Replying To Bryson: "Minor boys are decent i agree o know alot of the boys the problem is the coaching and lack of game plan offensively is their problem we getting nothing out of some really good forwards as they are allowed hurl with freedom. Coaches trying to micro manage and wont let lads hurl with freedom like they do at club level." Yep kinda got that vibe. Moved heaven and Earth to get a corner forward on the team, He got sent off against the Dubs,played all game and only had 1 possession, missed next 2 suspension,then a decent forward who had played well,big lad with a good eye for a score gets dropped. Suspended comes straight back in, 2 Possessions before he got subbed off. Our FF line were very good but Management changed it for Galway??
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Replying To Viking66: "Niland was carrying a knock and wasnt risked Wednesday according to friends I have up there." You clearly are the one with the Narrative and I think most people see it too. I say it again Niland and Rabbitte played for Galway Seniors V Dublin on Saturday. Neither started the U20 v Wexford on Wednesday. Above you quoting as if you were on Galway's management teams! Niland picked up an Ankle injury before subbed off scored 1, 2 Assists for score and 4 points from free. You said Niland was injured?? Yet you went on to the Galway forum page and asked was Aaron Niland injured!! You were told he was definitely spared till the Dublin game!!! You must of forgotten to tell us that???!!!
Spuds&GAA (Wexford) - Posts: 35 - 20/05/2026 00:53:56
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Replying To Viking66: "Not sure. But its pretty underwhelming. Reading between the lines cost cutting seems to have been one of the parameters himself and Michael Mcgeehan were given.
As regards underage in the last 3 years nearly all our teams have been in the top 4 or 5 counties at each agegroup each year, sometimes the top 2 or 3, without winning anything.
Ill ask you the question again, is choking a part of our collective psyche......?" There you go again though- top 4 or 5. If you count that as good enough, fair enough. The coaching from u-14 to u-16 is nowhere near good enough. The coaches badly need coaching. The competition structures within the county at underage and adult need to be revisited. And the standard of reffing is also having a bearing.
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Reality is Saturday doesn't matter. Our feeble performances to date did the damage.
I just can't get how you could train since last Winter, as hard as they have, and exit the championship with such a whimper.
How could you not be smarting v Dublin after the Kilkenny thumping? I don't get how you wouldn't take to the field absolutely bull thick and no man is going to out-fight me at the very least. Is this not where Bernard Dunne should have come in? If he is to do with culture and mindset?
Whether or not they believe in Rossi is known only to them, but any player who only plays for a manager is in the wrong game. Be it a junior D match or an All-Ireland, you have to go out and play for yourself and what you have in you.
Injuries are an excuse. Every team has them, Offaly didn't have Screeney v Kilkenny and it did not hold them back.
Maybe as a county we are just weak when it comes to belief. When the chips are down and the top teams up the ante, we fold. I thought the minors did it v Kilkenny but then didn't do it v Galway but they get one last chance at redemption.
It will be a brave man who will take this job next because our main stays are aging.
I still think our schools are where the biggest opportunity is to drive things forward. Be it after school, be it lunch time leagues, mini-leagues, hurling walls in schools. I don't know.
Even small things we should look at for next year's campaign. How many schools have a purple and gold flag flying outside? Do we instill a love of Wexford at school level? Does an 8 year old in Screen NS know when Wexford are playing? Why doesn't he? Why don't we promote our games better?
There is no point going all Liam Griffin or Gizzy and telling 7-8 year olds about Father Murphy or pikemen because I think most would say "so what".
But an Instagram video from Lee Chin or Damien Reck in full fight or a "go home and ask your parents to bring you to the match" and the Leinster Council match it with "buy an adult ticket, get 2 free child tickets" offers, etc. Even a visit to every school in the county by some player and a puck-around for 30 minutes, give them a few quid for their time. So what.
We need to raise the profile of the game in Wexford and drive it ourselves, because there is no room for sentiment or sympathy if we don't up our game.
Its up to Wexford and our own people to do it, no report from anybody is going to do it for us or is going to tell us anything we don't already know ourselves.
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Replying To countyman2022: "There you go again though- top 4 or 5. If you count that as good enough, fair enough. The coaching from u-14 to u-16 is nowhere near good enough. The coaches badly need coaching. The competition structures within the county at underage and adult need to be revisited. And the standard of reffing is also having a bearing." Considering we're currently probably number 10 out of the 11 in senior rankings, and that normally all of the top four or five think they've a chance of winning the All-Ireland in any given year, I'd say it would be a great thing if we could reach the top four or five and then stay there.
Are you actually setting the bar so high that you want us to be a consistent number one? Or at a push, consistent top two?
As regards competition structures - as I often point out, assuming you're an active GAA member and not a hurler on the ditch, you have the power to kickstart this yourself, at both adult and Coiste na nÓg levels. Set your proposals out on paper, and bring them to your club to send up the line to the respective County Boards.
There's been serious discussions and consideration of underage structures in particular in the past few years. What sort of input did you have into them?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3656 - 20/05/2026 10:16:00
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Offaly may not have had a "blueprint" in the manner of a formally-commissioned study drawn up by experts, but you could bet they had at least some of "things to do" list and notes on each of those things. That would constitute their blueprint. And I for one wouldn't expect them to publish it for all to see." Absolutely they wouldn't. But if it was a good blueprint why are their underage teams with the exception of that one good team performing so badly?
Offalys u20s lost by 20 points to Dublin this year, and by 25 points to Kilkenny. They only beat Laois by a point, we beat Laois by 21 points.
And their minors lost the tier 2 final to Antrim by 9 points.
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Replying To Spuds&GAA: "Hard to Judge the Kilkenny Minor game, without a few players and even more so were already Qualified. Beaten badly by Galway. Galway has had some brilliant underage Teams over the years." Galway are always strong at underage. They've a huge hurling population and most of them dont even play any Football, let alone soccer.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19703 - 20/05/2026 10:25:16
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Replying To Spuds&GAA: "Yep kinda got that vibe. Moved heaven and Earth to get a corner forward on the team, He got sent off against the Dubs,played all game and only had 1 possession, missed next 2 suspension,then a decent forward who had played well,big lad with a good eye for a score gets dropped. Suspended comes straight back in, 2 Possessions before he got subbed off. Our FF line were very good but Management changed it for Galway??" Agree 100% on that.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19703 - 20/05/2026 10:26:27
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@StoreysTash - aside altogether from lost revenue, there's a very good logistical reason why Leinster Council or anybody else wouldn't run a "buy an adult ticket, get two free child tickets" offer.
Consider somewhere like Wexford Park and Tullamore, that hold about 18,000 people. You'd have to stop selling tickets as soon as 6,000 adult tickets were sold, because there'd be 12,000 child tickets gone out with them, and that would fill the venue if they were all used.
Now say the day comes along and only half of the child tickets are actually used. You'd have 6,000 unoccupied spaces in the ground. But adult 6,001 onwards who'd wanted to buy a ticket, only to be told "sold out", is stuck at home.
It'd be even worse in other counties. If Carlow or Westmeath were back in the top tier, and had a big match coming up where they wanted to attract as many children as possible with that offer, you'd have to stop selling after only 4,000 tickets because the grounds only hold about 12,000.
And for as long as Antrim are playing out of Corrigan Park, you'd have to stop ticket sales after hitting only about 1,200.
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Agree with this but I have ben told that of the 120 primary schools in Wexford, less than 20 would be actively promoting hurling and less than 10 would be "hurling /GAA mad". That is a small perecntage. Worse is that the perecentage of clubs who are doing it year round is also small. All adds up to what we have which is an average perfromance at all levels.
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Replying To countyman2022: "There you go again though- top 4 or 5. If you count that as good enough, fair enough. The coaching from u-14 to u-16 is nowhere near good enough. The coaches badly need coaching. The competition structures within the county at underage and adult need to be revisited. And the standard of reffing is also having a bearing." Agree with all of that except that I think top 4 or 5 is good enough. I want us to be the best.
All the rest of it Ive posted many times about on this forum over the years, and pushed at meetings around the county.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19703 - 20/05/2026 10:33:46
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Reality is Saturday doesn't matter. Our feeble performances to date did the damage.
I just can't get how you could train since last Winter, as hard as they have, and exit the championship with such a whimper.
How could you not be smarting v Dublin after the Kilkenny thumping? I don't get how you wouldn't take to the field absolutely bull thick and no man is going to out-fight me at the very least. Is this not where Bernard Dunne should have come in? If he is to do with culture and mindset?
Whether or not they believe in Rossi is known only to them, but any player who only plays for a manager is in the wrong game. Be it a junior D match or an All-Ireland, you have to go out and play for yourself and what you have in you.
Injuries are an excuse. Every team has them, Offaly didn't have Screeney v Kilkenny and it did not hold them back.
Maybe as a county we are just weak when it comes to belief. When the chips are down and the top teams up the ante, we fold. I thought the minors did it v Kilkenny but then didn't do it v Galway but they get one last chance at redemption.
It will be a brave man who will take this job next because our main stays are aging.
I still think our schools are where the biggest opportunity is to drive things forward. Be it after school, be it lunch time leagues, mini-leagues, hurling walls in schools. I don't know.
Even small things we should look at for next year's campaign. How many schools have a purple and gold flag flying outside? Do we instill a love of Wexford at school level? Does an 8 year old in Screen NS know when Wexford are playing? Why doesn't he? Why don't we promote our games better?
There is no point going all Liam Griffin or Gizzy and telling 7-8 year olds about Father Murphy or pikemen because I think most would say "so what".
But an Instagram video from Lee Chin or Damien Reck in full fight or a "go home and ask your parents to bring you to the match" and the Leinster Council match it with "buy an adult ticket, get 2 free child tickets" offers, etc. Even a visit to every school in the county by some player and a puck-around for 30 minutes, give them a few quid for their time. So what.
We need to raise the profile of the game in Wexford and drive it ourselves, because there is no room for sentiment or sympathy if we don't up our game.
Its up to Wexford and our own people to do it, no report from anybody is going to do it for us or is going to tell us anything we don't already know ourselves." Thats all spot on
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2026/0519/1574233-offalys-clarity-contrasted-by-wexfords-sorry-confusion/
Shane McGrath couldn't have hit the nail any cleaner on the head here about us
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 359 - 20/05/2026 10:42:24
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Replying To countyman2022: "There you go again though- top 4 or 5. If you count that as good enough, fair enough. The coaching from u-14 to u-16 is nowhere near good enough. The coaches badly need coaching. The competition structures within the county at underage and adult need to be revisited. And the standard of reffing is also having a bearing." This is the most constructive thing you've ever said. I agree with you. These are things we can actually look at.
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Replying To Spuds&GAA: "You clearly are the one with the Narrative and I think most people see it too. I say it again Niland and Rabbitte played for Galway Seniors V Dublin on Saturday. Neither started the U20 v Wexford on Wednesday. Above you quoting as if you were on Galway's management teams! Niland picked up an Ankle injury before subbed off scored 1, 2 Assists for score and 4 points from free. You said Niland was injured?? Yet you went on to the Galway forum page and asked was Aaron Niland injured!! You were told he was definitely spared till the Dublin game!!! You must of forgotten to tell us that???!!!" Funny just looked back over their thread and what I posted was "maybe Aaron is injured?"
To which I got no reply...... .
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19703 - 20/05/2026 11:00:52
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Reality is Saturday doesn't matter. Our feeble performances to date did the damage.
I just can't get how you could train since last Winter, as hard as they have, and exit the championship with such a whimper.
How could you not be smarting v Dublin after the Kilkenny thumping? I don't get how you wouldn't take to the field absolutely bull thick and no man is going to out-fight me at the very least. Is this not where Bernard Dunne should have come in? If he is to do with culture and mindset?
Whether or not they believe in Rossi is known only to them, but any player who only plays for a manager is in the wrong game. Be it a junior D match or an All-Ireland, you have to go out and play for yourself and what you have in you.
Injuries are an excuse. Every team has them, Offaly didn't have Screeney v Kilkenny and it did not hold them back.
Maybe as a county we are just weak when it comes to belief. When the chips are down and the top teams up the ante, we fold. I thought the minors did it v Kilkenny but then didn't do it v Galway but they get one last chance at redemption.
It will be a brave man who will take this job next because our main stays are aging.
I still think our schools are where the biggest opportunity is to drive things forward. Be it after school, be it lunch time leagues, mini-leagues, hurling walls in schools. I don't know.
Even small things we should look at for next year's campaign. How many schools have a purple and gold flag flying outside? Do we instill a love of Wexford at school level? Does an 8 year old in Screen NS know when Wexford are playing? Why doesn't he? Why don't we promote our games better?
There is no point going all Liam Griffin or Gizzy and telling 7-8 year olds about Father Murphy or pikemen because I think most would say "so what".
But an Instagram video from Lee Chin or Damien Reck in full fight or a "go home and ask your parents to bring you to the match" and the Leinster Council match it with "buy an adult ticket, get 2 free child tickets" offers, etc. Even a visit to every school in the county by some player and a puck-around for 30 minutes, give them a few quid for their time. So what.
We need to raise the profile of the game in Wexford and drive it ourselves, because there is no room for sentiment or sympathy if we don't up our game.
Its up to Wexford and our own people to do it, no report from anybody is going to do it for us or is going to tell us anything we don't already know ourselves." Agree with everything you have said there. In opinion We need to strive for excellence now in everything we do. Belief is a huge issue in the county. You look at Offaly on Saturday. Most of them lads believe they can beat everyone in Leinster because they have done it at minor and u20 level. We are really competitive but consistently fail to get over the line at these grades. Our 2019 team was backboned by the 3 in a row u21 team. Fair enough Galway werent in Leinster at the time which made it easier to win but them lads had a winning mentality and then believed we could win at senior. Its very hard to convince our seniors now we can beat the top teams when we havent been beating them at any grade while they were playing. We need to make a breakthrough at underage in my opinion for things to really change for us.
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