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Replying To Cockney_Cat: ""What I think might happen is we pull one last game performance out of us. Like the last few years."
Possibly. Wexford's last game is against Galway, who might have already qualified for the Leinster final." After yesterday's game against Kildare I doubt Micheal will change too much if we are qualified already.
ColmFlaherty (Galway) - Posts: 23 - 10/05/2026 12:21:21
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Replying To beano: "Lads, I've said it here before but its worth repeating, in the overall GAA ecosystem, we are an average DUAL county which is commendable in itself. We have no divine right to claim to be among the elite of the hurling fraternity, nor can we turn our noses up at the football either like some within hurling circles are inclined to do (shoe isn't on the other foot in that regard).
In fact, of ALL the counties to have won an All Ireland in both codes, elite company we are among, Wexford is the nearest to having a 50-50 split of success. Six hurling, five football. Offaly are next with four hurling and three football (54% of all our senior AIs are hurling, 57% of theirs are hurling so small margins really).
And both counties are similar in that they got their All-Irelands in profitable decades. 1910s for us in football (and one hurling), 50-60s in hurling. 70s-80-90s for the Biffos.
So in that context we have a nice little niche in the market, especially since nearly all our clubs are dual so theoretically cater for all kids, which is something to be proud of.
But we dwell on our hurling tradition too much. Like, there isn't too much of a difference in the timescale between our last All-Ireland and Offaly's, but do the latter hark back to their 90s team to the same extent as we do? Have a podcast with soundbites from that era hosted by one fella who never hurled at any real level in the county and is death against football? Offaly pulled themselves up by the bootstraps when they hit rock bottom and put structures in place to rebuild a side that could be competitive in a couple of years. Lost an All-Ireland minor title in heartbreaking fashion, won an under-20 in both codes. Swallowed their pride by dropping out of the Liam McCarthy in doing so. We'd whinge and complain should the same fate befall us.
Its all well and good having an optimistic poster on here quoting underage games where we lost to RANDOM COUNTY A by a point in an under-14 game five years ago etc. but at the end of the day we AREN'T getting over the line enough in any age grade across both codes. We'll probably still venerate the Leinster minor winners in 2029 for the tenth anniversary when most other counties would regard not winning an All-Ireland as a disappointment." In all honesty, yes, that Offaly U20 side was a very good side but there was nothing before them and it doesn't look like there is much coming after them, they are a once in a generation team that pops up out of nowhere rather than the result of very good structures put in place
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1177 - 10/05/2026 12:23:36
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Replying To WEXILE: "I'd agree with you on the last sentence and I'm usually a pessimist.
Lost by 5 yesterday, Fanning gifts em a gial, they'd 2 wides that were awarded. Thats 4 or 5 points.
Our shooting to the near post under the stand in that wind was absolutely criminal, unforgiveable. And we'd our goal chances possible penalty.
And all these issues before you even contend with the other team.
When chin, Jack O etc. retire as one poster says then there is of course the possibility of dropping down to Joe McDonagh. But on the flipping of that will all the new players making their way in intercounty become proper established players and they'll drive us forward?
One things sure we don't have a conveyer belt of absolute huge prospects coming through and thats worrying. Certainly compared to the team.that emerged around 2014 or so." I wasn't going to mention the two wides at the pine ridge end....
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4501 - 10/05/2026 12:39:48
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Replying To WEXILE: "Looking forward over the short to medium term does anyone see any positives at all for Wexford hurling?
Hopefully an experienced manager when Keiths tenure is up? Ya see the difference a good manager makes for Carlow up to last year and Kildare right now. Enough of young potential managers.
Experienced players to come back in? Rory O Connor touch wood should be back. Will he bring Barry with him? At least he'd be physically a threat. Anymore lads returning?
Will the Gorey crowd come back in for a different manager?
Will the extra year or two of S&C bring the likes of Cillian Byrne up to scratch. Impressed by him at times.
Anyone looking like they can step in from u20s in next year or two.
Getting fed up of constant negativity now, we know where we are. That much is clear but is there anything coming down the line to feel positive about?" The positive is a better coach could improve us immediately and get lads playing.
Second positive is we've solved all these problems before and can do so again.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4501 - 10/05/2026 12:42:39
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I'd say if you look at the best teams in Ireland right now, they probably have the best group of players aged between 24 and 28. If they're 23 or younger, they mightn't be developed enough or experienced enough to drive the team on and if they're 29 or older, they might not quite have the same physicality to drive the team forward. Now the best teams will have younger players and they will have older players who will all be making contributions but they won't be backboning the team, the younger players will backbone the team in the future and the older players backboned the team a few years prior but the players backboning it will be those in their prime
Yesterday, we had four players starting who will fall into the 24-28yo group at some stage this year: Richie Lawlor, Damien Reck, Conor Hearne, and Ross Banville (Reck and Hearne at one end of the age group and Richie Lawlor at the other)
Jippo, Chin, Kevin Foley, Mark Fanning, Simon Donohoe, and Darren Codd would fall into the older category
Darragh Carley, Diarmuid O'Leary, Cillian Byrne, Simon Roche, and Conor Foley would fall into the younger category
The age profile of that team is not one that is conducive towards success
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1177 - 10/05/2026 13:31:23
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Replying To beano: "Lads, I've said it here before but its worth repeating, in the overall GAA ecosystem, we are an average DUAL county which is commendable in itself. We have no divine right to claim to be among the elite of the hurling fraternity, nor can we turn our noses up at the football either like some within hurling circles are inclined to do (shoe isn't on the other foot in that regard).
In fact, of ALL the counties to have won an All Ireland in both codes, elite company we are among, Wexford is the nearest to having a 50-50 split of success. Six hurling, five football. Offaly are next with four hurling and three football (54% of all our senior AIs are hurling, 57% of theirs are hurling so small margins really).
And both counties are similar in that they got their All-Irelands in profitable decades. 1910s for us in football (and one hurling), 50-60s in hurling. 70s-80-90s for the Biffos.
So in that context we have a nice little niche in the market, especially since nearly all our clubs are dual so theoretically cater for all kids, which is something to be proud of.
But we dwell on our hurling tradition too much. Like, there isn't too much of a difference in the timescale between our last All-Ireland and Offaly's, but do the latter hark back to their 90s team to the same extent as we do? Have a podcast with soundbites from that era hosted by one fella who never hurled at any real level in the county and is death against football? Offaly pulled themselves up by the bootstraps when they hit rock bottom and put structures in place to rebuild a side that could be competitive in a couple of years. Lost an All-Ireland minor title in heartbreaking fashion, won an under-20 in both codes. Swallowed their pride by dropping out of the Liam McCarthy in doing so. We'd whinge and complain should the same fate befall us.
Its all well and good having an optimistic poster on here quoting underage games where we lost to RANDOM COUNTY A by a point in an under-14 game five years ago etc. but at the end of the day we AREN'T getting over the line enough in any age grade across both codes. We'll probably still venerate the Leinster minor winners in 2029 for the tenth anniversary when most other counties would regard not winning an All-Ireland as a disappointment." Thats completely off the wall inaccurate Beano, as personal digs go. We are regularly beating some of the top counties every year for the last 3 or 4 years at u14, u15, and u16. Not random counties by a point once every 5 years.
In the last 3 years all our u14s, u15s and u16s have beaten at least 6 or 7 of the other top 10 counties every year. Many wins by double digits scores. Some of the teams have beaten 8 or 9 of them in the same season.
There is a drop off to minor. Not sure why that has been the case, and was really hoping that wouldnt be the case this year. We have a good manager. This years minor team beat nearly all the other counties at u16 last year. Even in the premier u16 end of year tournament, the Eugene Carey Cup, won by Galway who beat Tipp in the final, our lads finished 3rd. They beat Corks A team in their last game.
Its disingenuous and inaccurate to paint the problem as a countywide "we are not good enough at any level" type problem. Poor journalism some would say ;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19483 - 10/05/2026 14:22:46
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Trying one last time to make my point.
The Cork v Waterford game was on too late yesterday and I had seen 2 disappointing hurling matches. I watched it and Laois Westmeath as had friend hurling for Laois. The standard in both, the first touch from all 4 teams, maybe bar Westmeath, was a street ahead of ours.
I don't know what the story in the Wexford camp is, but I will say talk of "not playing for the manager" would beg the question do you as a player not play for yourself first once you cross the white line?
Anybody who said we would beat Kildare and nobody else was told they were negative, problematic, whatever. There was no body of evidence of being relevant Leinster competitors. Bar Wexford optimism and to be frank, delusion.
I doubt Rossiter will be back, but who will want it is another question. We were not overran with applicants last time I don't think." We had none afaik.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19483 - 10/05/2026 14:30:16
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Think Carley probably starts a few League games next year at the very least, mainly because he has size and physicality that we don't really have
Was also just thinking that O'Brien is currently a better player than two of our starting forwards yesterday, I'd be reluctant to throw him in next year though because I feel we'd be heaping a lot of pressure on his young shoulders, doesn't seem fair on him, probably starts the year after though all things going well
But the problem is that we've a team right now with a few older players who don't have much left to give, a few young players who I think have a good future but are inexperienced and need to develop physically (And there's a lack of height there too), and then we've nothing really in between
Bringing in O'Brien, Jack Nolan, Carley, Ciarán Doyle, Charlie Mooney, and Charlie Roark into the panel is necessary and we also need to give time to the likes of Conor Foley, Darragh Carley, Jack Redmond, CBD, Eoin Whelan, Éamon Wickham, David Codd, Tucker Kinsella, Diarmuid O'Leary, Luke Codd, Simon Roche, Cillian Byrne, Eoin Ryan, Cian Molloy, Richie Lawlor, and Seán Rowley
But the problem there is that we've a young and inexperienced team right now and if you bring them all in, it's still going to be a very young and inexperienced team for the next year or two, there's no real way that we can get around that" Jack Nolan has great potential. Other young lads Id add to that list are Cian Byrne, James Byrne and Dara Kehoe.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19483 - 10/05/2026 14:33:38
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I'd say if you look at the best teams in Ireland right now, they probably have the best group of players aged between 24 and 28. If they're 23 or younger, they mightn't be developed enough or experienced enough to drive the team on and if they're 29 or older, they might not quite have the same physicality to drive the team forward. Now the best teams will have younger players and they will have older players who will all be making contributions but they won't be backboning the team, the younger players will backbone the team in the future and the older players backboned the team a few years prior but the players backboning it will be those in their prime
Yesterday, we had four players starting who will fall into the 24-28yo group at some stage this year: Richie Lawlor, Damien Reck, Conor Hearne, and Ross Banville (Reck and Hearne at one end of the age group and Richie Lawlor at the other)
Jippo, Chin, Kevin Foley, Mark Fanning, Simon Donohoe, and Darren Codd would fall into the older category
Darragh Carley, Diarmuid O'Leary, Cillian Byrne, Simon Roche, and Conor Foley would fall into the younger category
The age profile of that team is not one that is conducive towards success" The 3 subs were 1 each in those 3 groups too.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19483 - 10/05/2026 14:40:40
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Replying To Viking66: "Bit early in the decade for that kind of prediction. The 2029 minors are only 14 this year.
And we havent been so far off winning Leinsters this decade either.
The 2021 minors lost the final by less than the puck of a ball.
The 2022 u20s lost the final by even less.
And it was a similar story for the 2023 u20s.
In the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s we never even reached a Leinster minor final let alone win one. Or a Senior final except in 1944 wgen we lost to Dublin." I did say potentially.
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Replying To Viking66: "Two great players there Fionn. Will go down as all time greats for their counties, despite not winning AI medals." Definitely - 100%
Top top players both of them.
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4941 - 10/05/2026 15:43:05
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Half time in offaly v killkenny.i think offaly are going to beat them. We made killkenny look better than they are.
Where are we at present In as bad a situation as I ever remember .
If the lads have any pride in themselves regardless of manager etc they should take a good hard luck at themselves. If they want respect they need to earn it now is the time to do it , if not step away snd let someone who wants to give everything .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 588 - 10/05/2026 16:09:11
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Trying one last time to make my point.
The Cork v Waterford game was on too late yesterday and I had seen 2 disappointing hurling matches. I watched it and Laois Westmeath as had friend hurling for Laois. The standard in both, the first touch from all 4 teams, maybe bar Westmeath, was a street ahead of ours.
I don't know what the story in the Wexford camp is, but I will say talk of "not playing for the manager" would beg the question do you as a player not play for yourself first once you cross the white line?
Anybody who said we would beat Kildare and nobody else was told they were negative, problematic, whatever. There was no body of evidence of being relevant Leinster competitors. Bar Wexford optimism and to be frank, delusion.
I doubt Rossiter will be back, but who will want it is another question. We were not overran with applicants last time I don't think." Well two of the self-imposed absentees recently won a league title with Gorey Rangers. Make of that what you will.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1553 - 10/05/2026 16:11:46
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Replying To Jedobi: "I did say potentially." Tbh as regards minor there are plenty of decades we never won a Leinster. 1970s, 1990s, 2000s during my lifetime. And while our record at u20 is better during my lifetime in recent times Dublin and Galway have been competitive and competing in it too. In the last 5 years Galway, Kilkenny, Offaly, Dublin and ourselves have all appeared in u20 finals. For most of my lifetime the Leinster u20 championship was a 2 horse or 3 horse race. Increased numbers of strong competitors make competitions harder to win.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19483 - 10/05/2026 16:39:29
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Replying To Viking66: "Thats completely off the wall inaccurate Beano, as personal digs go. We are regularly beating some of the top counties every year for the last 3 or 4 years at u14, u15, and u16. Not random counties by a point once every 5 years.
In the last 3 years all our u14s, u15s and u16s have beaten at least 6 or 7 of the other top 10 counties every year. Many wins by double digits scores. Some of the teams have beaten 8 or 9 of them in the same season.
There is a drop off to minor. Not sure why that has been the case, and was really hoping that wouldnt be the case this year. We have a good manager. This years minor team beat nearly all the other counties at u16 last year. Even in the premier u16 end of year tournament, the Eugene Carey Cup, won by Galway who beat Tipp in the final, our lads finished 3rd. They beat Corks A team in their last game.
Its disingenuous and inaccurate to paint the problem as a countywide "we are not good enough at any level" type problem. Poor journalism some would say ;-)" To play devil's advocate, when we were winning those underage games, were our teams mixed or was it our A team and were the teams we were playing against mixed teams or A team?
Also, I think it's too soon to say that there's been a fall-off at Minor level this year (Not that you are saying that per se), they played like they never even got off the bus yesterday but at least they had shown some positive signs in the previous three games, if they play badly in the AI PQFs then sure, you could talk about the fall-off but best off holding our judgement until then
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1177 - 10/05/2026 16:46:45
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Here's a bit of toxic positivity for you all- if we win our next 3 games and Dublin win their next 2 games we will be Leinster Champions ;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19483 - 10/05/2026 16:59:49
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "To play devil's advocate, when we were winning those underage games, were our teams mixed or was it our A team and were the teams we were playing against mixed teams or A team?
Also, I think it's too soon to say that there's been a fall-off at Minor level this year (Not that you are saying that per se), they played like they never even got off the bus yesterday but at least they had shown some positive signs in the previous three games, if they play badly in the AI PQFs then sure, you could talk about the fall-off but best off holding our judgement until then" Limerick and Clare would definitely play very mixed teams. After them we were probably more mixed than most of the other counties tbh.
Everyone is supposed to be fully mixed at u14, but we were definitely way more mixed than Kilkenny when we lost to their A team on the finals day.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19483 - 10/05/2026 17:03:55
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Hard to believe but if we can somehow beat Offaly. We have a great chance of getting 3rd we would be playing a Galway team already in Leinster final.
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "To play devil's advocate, when we were winning those underage games, were our teams mixed or was it our A team and were the teams we were playing against mixed teams or A team?
Also, I think it's too soon to say that there's been a fall-off at Minor level this year (Not that you are saying that per se), they played like they never even got off the bus yesterday but at least they had shown some positive signs in the previous three games, if they play badly in the AI PQFs then sure, you could talk about the fall-off but best off holding our judgement until then" Agree, we could still win an AI minor title. Last year Waterford beat Clare in the AI final, while Cork and Kilkenny were the Provincial champions. Clare didnt even make the Munster final.
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Hard to believe but if we can somehow beat Offaly. We have a great chance of getting 3rd we would be playing a Galway team already in Leinster final." If we win our next 3 games, and Dublin win their next 2, we will be Leinster Champions......
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