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Replying To Canuck: "Cork will not bring in an outside manager no more than Kilkenny or Tipp will. Cody is a Kilkenny man first and last. These outside managers are a bad idea. There is avoid when they move on. No attachment to the county or its future. Davy has managed to get Antrim relegated. Henry set Galway back and were better this year under their own guy. It will take at least another year or two to put things back on track. He did nothing worth talking about in Dublin who were better again this year. Looking at the shinny object by counties has failed over and over. Limerick got one of the greatest teams in history with a Limerick man driving the bus. Anything we won at senior, minor or U21 was with Waterford men in charge." Some line ball from gleeson last night to win it
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Replying To Bon: "Some line ball from gleeson last night to win it" Yes. The gap with Ballygunner seems insurmountable except they have a bad day.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3181 - 24/08/2025 16:42:34
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Replying To Bon: "He didn't exactly toughen up the tribesmen." Galway just don't have the hurlers. Cork do.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2371 - 24/08/2025 20:20:49
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Replying To Canuck: "Cork will not bring in an outside manager no more than Kilkenny or Tipp will. Cody is a Kilkenny man first and last. These outside managers are a bad idea. There is avoid when they move on. No attachment to the county or its future. Davy has managed to get Antrim relegated. Henry set Galway back and were better this year under their own guy. It will take at least another year or two to put things back on track. He did nothing worth talking about in Dublin who were better again this year. Looking at the shinny object by counties has failed over and over. Limerick got one of the greatest teams in history with a Limerick man driving the bus. Anything we won at senior, minor or U21 was with Waterford men in charge." Didn't Davy get Waterford Munster titles and to an AI final?
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2371 - 24/08/2025 20:22:10
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Replying To Canuck: "Cork will not bring in an outside manager no more than Kilkenny or Tipp will. Cody is a Kilkenny man first and last. These outside managers are a bad idea. There is avoid when they move on. No attachment to the county or its future. Davy has managed to get Antrim relegated. Henry set Galway back and were better this year under their own guy. It will take at least another year or two to put things back on track. He did nothing worth talking about in Dublin who were better again this year. Looking at the shinny object by counties has failed over and over. Limerick got one of the greatest teams in history with a Limerick man driving the bus. Anything we won at senior, minor or U21 was with Waterford men in charge." Henry didn't set Galway back. They were going nowhere anyway. Henry ran Limerick to the wire with Galway at one semi, which is almost as good an achievement as any county had 2022-2024, bar Clare and Cork. Galway got a positive bounce in 2025, but you'd expect that with Donoghue's nous and local knowledge. Unfortunately, Galway didn't exhibit the 'green shoots' in 2025 to suggest that your 'back on track' in a year or two theory, actually holds any water.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4383 - 24/08/2025 20:37:15
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The thing that makes no sense to me is Ryan saying in his interview that County Board wanted a 3 year commitment and having already given 5 (including U20s) he couldn't do that.
Surely if he had said I will do one more year they would have given him that? I have never heard of a manager saying I will only accept a shorter deal
Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 189 - 24/08/2025 23:45:22
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Replying To Canuck: "Cork will not bring in an outside manager no more than Kilkenny or Tipp will. Cody is a Kilkenny man first and last. These outside managers are a bad idea. There is avoid when they move on. No attachment to the county or its future. Davy has managed to get Antrim relegated. Henry set Galway back and were better this year under their own guy. It will take at least another year or two to put things back on track. He did nothing worth talking about in Dublin who were better again this year. Looking at the shinny object by counties has failed over and over. Limerick got one of the greatest teams in history with a Limerick man driving the bus. Anything we won at senior, minor or U21 was with Waterford men in charge." Agree with you broadly Canuck but I do think the tenures of Donal O'Grady and John Allen were a success in Limerick. O'Grady led us to a division 1B title in 2011 and Allen led us to the Munster title in 2013.
Both of these were a big step forward from where we were in 2009 and 2010. Just my 2c, other posters from Limerick might see it differently.
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Surely Ben O'Connor will get the job.
He will bring Cork a "win at all costs nastiness", which might just be what they need to finally get over the line.
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Didn't Davy get Waterford Munster titles and to an AI final?" Most of offaly all irelands won with outside managers
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Replying To slayer: "Agree with you broadly Canuck but I do think the tenures of Donal O'Grady and John Allen were a success in Limerick. O'Grady led us to a division 1B title in 2011 and Allen led us to the Munster title in 2013.
Both of these were a big step forward from where we were in 2009 and 2010. Just my 2c, other posters from Limerick might see it differently." Davy won a Leinster with us, and a Munster with Waterford. I don't think he did much for either of us as regards development of younger players though. He seemed to look for ready made players.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16993 - 25/08/2025 11:43:38
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Bringing in outside managers can be a good thing especially of there was any significant issues between clubs or players within the County.
When Limerick appointed Donal O'Grady in 2010 it was when the senior team were in a very bad place after the fall out from the Justin McCarthy affair and the strikes by most of the senior panel in 2010. Donal O'Grady in his one year changed the whole approach, and dragged Limerick the Limerick Senior Team into a more professional era . John Allen kept it going when he followed and winning the Munster Final in 2013 I believe was the catalyst for everything that came after.
I don't believe there is a void left by outside managers if you include a number of potential future home grown managers in with them as selectors when they are there. I would imagine both TJ Ryan and John Kiely learned a lot from Donal O'Grady and John Allen so I would agree that both were a success in Limerick.
Cork will never go for an outside manager as they constantly tell us nobody know more about hurling than them.
Of course one big consideration that any County Board has, is deciding what exactly is the job they want you to do because the approaches are totally different.
If the job is to take an existing group of players and get the best out of them for one year or two more years then it is a Liam Sheedy or Davy Fitz or Brian Lohan type personality you need. Someone who will do something a bit different, be ruthless enough to stand by their convictions, get the players you have to play above themselves and see how far that takes you. Perhaps a Jimmy Barry Murphy return??
If the job is to build a new team, introduce new players and build a new game plan then you need a Liam Cahill or Micheal Donoghue type and give them a few years to build their squad and how they want to play. Then Crowley form Sars might have a shot but i cant see Cork going back to Sars again for a manager so soon.
It's hard to know where Cork are in this respect so believe, Ben O'Connor is probably the best of both worlds I feel.
LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 211 - 25/08/2025 17:02:26
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Replying To Yadse: "The thing that makes no sense to me is Ryan saying in his interview that County Board wanted a 3 year commitment and having already given 5 (including U20s) he couldn't do that.
Surely if he had said I will do one more year they would have given him that? I have never heard of a manager saying I will only accept a shorter deal" It makes total sense. After 5 years on the trot, one more year might have appealed to the man, but three more would make that 8 years without a break. Another person might have said OKAY to three years and then do just one and pull out if necessary for whatever reason, but Pat Ryan is too honorable a person to do that.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2371 - 25/08/2025 17:48:01
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Replying To LimerickandProud: "Bringing in outside managers can be a good thing especially of there was any significant issues between clubs or players within the County.
When Limerick appointed Donal O'Grady in 2010 it was when the senior team were in a very bad place after the fall out from the Justin McCarthy affair and the strikes by most of the senior panel in 2010. Donal O'Grady in his one year changed the whole approach, and dragged Limerick the Limerick Senior Team into a more professional era . John Allen kept it going when he followed and winning the Munster Final in 2013 I believe was the catalyst for everything that came after.
I don't believe there is a void left by outside managers if you include a number of potential future home grown managers in with them as selectors when they are there. I would imagine both TJ Ryan and John Kiely learned a lot from Donal O'Grady and John Allen so I would agree that both were a success in Limerick.
Cork will never go for an outside manager as they constantly tell us nobody know more about hurling than them.
Of course one big consideration that any County Board has, is deciding what exactly is the job they want you to do because the approaches are totally different.
If the job is to take an existing group of players and get the best out of them for one year or two more years then it is a Liam Sheedy or Davy Fitz or Brian Lohan type personality you need. Someone who will do something a bit different, be ruthless enough to stand by their convictions, get the players you have to play above themselves and see how far that takes you. Perhaps a Jimmy Barry Murphy return??
If the job is to build a new team, introduce new players and build a new game plan then you need a Liam Cahill or Micheal Donoghue type and give them a few years to build their squad and how they want to play. Then Crowley form Sars might have a shot but i cant see Cork going back to Sars again for a manager so soon.
It's hard to know where Cork are in this respect so believe, Ben O'Connor is probably the best of both worlds I feel." Isn't John Meyler a Wexford man? He played championship with Wexford in 1981, ever before switching to Cork. Indeed, if truth be told, it was soccer and Cork Albert's that brought him Leeside!
So, Cork have brought in an outsider before, whether they realize it or not!
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Replying To foreveryoung: "It makes total sense. After 5 years on the trot, one more year might have appealed to the man, but three more would make that 8 years without a break. Another person might have said OKAY to three years and then do just one and pull out if necessary for whatever reason, but Pat Ryan is too honorable a person to do that." my point is that after 3 years of continuity that if he had asked the county board would have agreed to a single year extension.
I get it that he didnt want to commit to three, and didnt want to be dishonest. But surely if that was the reason they could have worked something out?
I am not sure he wanted to go back, even for just one year.
Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 189 - 25/08/2025 23:50:50
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Replying To LimerickandProud: "Bringing in outside managers can be a good thing especially of there was any significant issues between clubs or players within the County.
When Limerick appointed Donal O'Grady in 2010 it was when the senior team were in a very bad place after the fall out from the Justin McCarthy affair and the strikes by most of the senior panel in 2010. Donal O'Grady in his one year changed the whole approach, and dragged Limerick the Limerick Senior Team into a more professional era . John Allen kept it going when he followed and winning the Munster Final in 2013 I believe was the catalyst for everything that came after.
I don't believe there is a void left by outside managers if you include a number of potential future home grown managers in with them as selectors when they are there. I would imagine both TJ Ryan and John Kiely learned a lot from Donal O'Grady and John Allen so I would agree that both were a success in Limerick.
Cork will never go for an outside manager as they constantly tell us nobody know more about hurling than them.
Of course one big consideration that any County Board has, is deciding what exactly is the job they want you to do because the approaches are totally different.
If the job is to take an existing group of players and get the best out of them for one year or two more years then it is a Liam Sheedy or Davy Fitz or Brian Lohan type personality you need. Someone who will do something a bit different, be ruthless enough to stand by their convictions, get the players you have to play above themselves and see how far that takes you. Perhaps a Jimmy Barry Murphy return??
If the job is to build a new team, introduce new players and build a new game plan then you need a Liam Cahill or Micheal Donoghue type and give them a few years to build their squad and how they want to play. Then Crowley form Sars might have a shot but i cant see Cork going back to Sars again for a manager so soon.
It's hard to know where Cork are in this respect so believe, Ben O'Connor is probably the best of both worlds I feel." Isn't John Meyler a Wexford man? He played championship with Wexford in 1981, ever before switching to Cork. Indeed, if truth be told, it was soccer and Cork Albert's that brought him Leeside!
So, Cork have brought in an outsider before, whether they realize it or not!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2371 - 26/08/2025 02:28:17
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Limericks trainer in the 1930s was a Corkman also.
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Replying To Yadse: "Big call. If he was unsure it would have been easier to keep going so a brave decision
I have heard interviews with John Meyler about how the semi loss in 2018 still haunts him and hope Ryan can move on - the pressure on these guys, more or less amateur, is incredible.
I think there may be some some stuff yet to come out about the final.
It's Cork and there will be no shortage of candidates but what an incredibly tough job to take on. I do think it's a set back for them and good for the pack" Hard to know what haunts Meyler to be honest. Cork were 6 points up in that game and our lads rattled of 7 in a row before a free gave them a draw. In extra time, Cork brought back on players who had gone off whereas our lads were using the bench to deliver direct running & goals. In the last 10 minutes of normal time and the first period of extra time, Limerick blew Cork away. Cork got a late goal that put some gloss on the final score.
Cork have won the Munster title on 8 occasions this century and that has translated into 1 all Ireland title from those 8 Munster wins. In the previous 25 years they won Munster 13 times bringing home 7 all Irelands.
slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6556 - 26/08/2025 12:52:13
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Replying To slayer: "Hard to know what haunts Meyler to be honest. Cork were 6 points up in that game and our lads rattled of 7 in a row before a free gave them a draw. In extra time, Cork brought back on players who had gone off whereas our lads were using the bench to deliver direct running & goals. In the last 10 minutes of normal time and the first period of extra time, Limerick blew Cork away. Cork got a late goal that put some gloss on the final score.
Cork have won the Munster title on 8 occasions this century and that has translated into 1 all Ireland title from those 8 Munster wins. In the previous 25 years they won Munster 13 times bringing home 7 all Irelands." six points up with six to go against a team you would have traditionally had no fear of
(not saying Cork deserved to win, they didnt, but I'd say it was a traumatic loss, and Meyler has said that it was for him personally)
And Limerick were five up v Offaly with five to go in 1994
Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 189 - 26/08/2025 14:45:50
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Replying To foreveryoung: "I liked Pat Ryan. As a few others have said, an honorable man and a straight talker.
Any truth in the online posts that a few CK reg cars have been seen around the village of Ballyhale over the past week or so? It wouldn't be Cork's first time to bring in an outsider, you know. An outsider might toughen them up a bit, especially that Shamrock's man." CK number plate??? Calvin Klein County!? haha Stick to the NBA, NFL and Ice hockey lad! if you want to post BS rumours at least get some amount of accuracy on the details correct
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Replying To Viking66: "Limericks trainer in the 1930s was a Corkman also." What was his name?
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