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Replying To alwaysasub: "Here Tara Rocks going it alone confirmed at recent AGM, adult and underage. Its a big risk but wish them well. Presume they will slot in Junior Football and Junior A hurling. Kilanerin would have enough for underage teams I'm sure. Tara Rocks will need to work hard to get the underage structure going." Junior B football I'd say. Kilanerin had senior and intermediate A teams before they joined .
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 543 - 24/11/2025 21:58:37
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Replying To Onfor15: "Junior B football I'd say. Kilanerin had senior and intermediate A teams before they joined ." Just putting it out there are the County Board in a position to regrade Tara Rocks from Intermediate to Junior A and then just add a new team Ballyfad straight into Intermediate?? Not from a moral or fairness issue but from a rulebook perspective.
Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 230 - 25/11/2025 08:52:08
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Replying To Onfor15: "Junior B football I'd say. Kilanerin had senior and intermediate A teams before they joined ." Kilanerin were actually in Intermediate Football in the first year of partnership between the two clubs (2017). They won Intermediate that year with the help of a couple of Tara Rocks players, and have been senior ever since.
Not sure where their second team was in 2017 but didn't think they were as high as Intermediate A since their first team was "only" in Intermediate.
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Replying To Paull: "Just putting it out there are the County Board in a position to regrade Tara Rocks from Intermediate to Junior A and then just add a new team Ballyfad straight into Intermediate?? Not from a moral or fairness issue but from a rulebook perspective." Not sure. Can't think of when the last adult de-amalgamation took place, if it ever happened before.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17689 - 25/11/2025 09:38:20
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Going to be a lot of sorting out by sound of it in every conceivable way . Not just adult are they still going to ge amalgamated at underage as ballinstraw gaels ?
I said in earlier post kilanerin benefitted more than tara rocks I still feel that is the case .
Look where both will be after the split .
Yes tara rocks could ve went to the wall and still could .
But would klianerin/ballyfad be in such a strong position now if they had nt have had , all be it only a few of the tara rocks on their first team over the duration of the amalgamation .
They are definitely in a stronger position now . And tara rocks weaker. .
Easy to be wise after, hindsight and all that jazz .
I m sure tara rocks had survival of the club at its main objective . Not sure why kilanerin entered the arrangement if it did nt have some benefit which imo was to give them that extra 5% they needed to kick on .
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Replying To Formertownie: "Going to be a lot of sorting out by sound of it in every conceivable way . Not just adult are they still going to ge amalgamated at underage as ballinstraw gaels ?
I said in earlier post kilanerin benefitted more than tara rocks I still feel that is the case .
Look where both will be after the split .
Yes tara rocks could ve went to the wall and still could .
But would klianerin/ballyfad be in such a strong position now if they had nt have had , all be it only a few of the tara rocks on their first team over the duration of the amalgamation .
They are definitely in a stronger position now . And tara rocks weaker. .
Easy to be wise after, hindsight and all that jazz .
I m sure tara rocks had survival of the club at its main objective . Not sure why kilanerin entered the arrangement if it did nt have some benefit which imo was to give them that extra 5% they needed to kick on ." Up for discussion tonight
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17689 - 25/11/2025 11:46:44
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Replying To Viking66: "Not sure. Can't think of when the last adult de-amalgamation took place, if it ever happened before." Kilanerins second football team is Junior, not intermediate a. The most logical thing would be for Ballyfad to be the intermediate team in hurling, and Tara Rocks second team was Junior a, so I'd imagine TA will go into Junior A for next season. For football, Kilanerin first team are senior while their second team is Junior, I would have thought TA would take that spot. But Kilanerins second team probably dont want to go back to Junior B as they are strong, so I would imagine Kilanerins second team will stay Junior, while Tara Rocks football team will go back to Junior B. They are prominently a hurling club anyways so they might not care about the football grading as much. Thats the way I will see it going .
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Just moving away from the conversation, I see some interesting motions for convention. One on where a player can play in wexford town, boundaries to be set as of 1 January 1972 by Catholic Parish Boundary. There are loads of by laws to this.
There is a joint motion from Sars and Glynn about alloing minors playing adult, as follows
A Player who has not celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship will have free grading in the adult championship until the knock out stages. This exception permits the player to play only one championship game per week-end only. Coming on as a substitute constitutes as a game, so if the player comes on for any short time in a game, that is his only game time for that 7-day period. However, he may only partake in one grade of championship in each code in a seven-day period (Friday morning to the following Thursday night.) If the player plays up a grade one weekend, they will be permitted to return to a lower grade the following weekend.
A player availing of this rule who plays for a club's first team may not play, at any stage, with a club's third team for the remainder of the championship year pursuant to Code 10.8 T.O 2025.
A player availing of this rule who play's for a club's second team may not play, at any stage, with a club's fourth team for the remainder of the championship year pursuant to Code 10.8 T.O 2025.
Team sheets will be checked, and any breach of rule will result in disciplinary action
There is also another motion from Buffers Alley, Raps, Glynn, Harriers and Sars which I think will be the most successful, similar to above albeit if he plays minor championship on a Wednesday, he cant play adult until the Saturday but he has to play with the minor team in his previous game, I suppose this stops a team resting a player for minor and playing adult at the weekend.
Adult
A Player shall have celebrated their 17th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year.
and that the following be added Bye Law 9 - Grading of Clubs and Players:
iv. A Player who has not celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year is restricted from playing in both an Adult Championship or League Match and an U18 Championship or League Match within a 46-hour period (from starting time of matches).
A Player who has not celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year is restricted from playing an Adult Championship or League Match if they did not play in their previous U18 Championship or League Match (irrespective of Code) before the Adult Championship or League Match except if they could not play due to suspension or if they did not play in their previous U18 Championship or League Match (irrespective of Code) and their Club's involvement in that competition has finished by 7 days or more. No other reasons such as injury, holidays, etc. apply as an exception to this restriction. If a player only plays one code, the restriction only applies to having played their previous U18 Championship or League match in that code.
Ballygarrett, Taghmon also have similar type motions, Ballygarret is a straight for 18 Years to play, no doubt as they went well at minor this year.
The executive obviously reading the room have there own motion in.
In the event that the motion allowing 18-year-olds to play in adult games is passed, the Adult Central Competitions Committee (CCC) and the Underage Central Competitions Committee (U18 CCC) shall collaborate with a structured liaison process to ensure coordinated scheduling and policy alignment.
-Further, the U18 Championship shall remain unaffected by any adult-team fixtures or decisions arising from the motion; no adult-match scheduling or outcomes shall infringe upon or take precedence over U18 fixtures. In the event of any scheduling conflict, U18 fixtures shall take priority.
Notes:
· This motion is conditional on the passage of the motion permitting 18-year-olds to participate in adult competitions.
· If the referenced motion does not pass, this motion shall have no force or effect.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 568 - 25/11/2025 13:41:43
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Kilanerin were Inter football(1st team) and Inter A football(2nd team) at time of amalgamation. Ballyfad were Inter A hurling. TR were Junior in both hurling and football at the time i think.
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Can anyone tell me the relevance of the cottage on the Davidstown Courtnacuddy crest please?
Seen it looking at results and it's an interesting one
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Replying To thirdsub: "Kilanerin were Inter football(1st team) and Inter A football(2nd team) at time of amalgamation. Ballyfad were Inter A hurling. TR were Junior in both hurling and football at the time i think." I understand but how would the championships be run if Tara Rocks were allowed to go just back where they were. You'd have odd numbers in groups etc, the above what I proposed would in my mind be the most logical.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 568 - 25/11/2025 15:45:25
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Kilanerin were actually in Intermediate Football in the first year of partnership between the two clubs (2017). They won Intermediate that year with the help of a couple of Tara Rocks players, and have been senior ever since.
Not sure where their second team was in 2017 but didn't think they were as high as Intermediate A since their first team was "only" in Intermediate." Second team was definitely intermediate A
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Replying To Formertownie: "Going to be a lot of sorting out by sound of it in every conceivable way . Not just adult are they still going to ge amalgamated at underage as ballinstraw gaels ?
I said in earlier post kilanerin benefitted more than tara rocks I still feel that is the case .
Look where both will be after the split .
Yes tara rocks could ve went to the wall and still could .
But would klianerin/ballyfad be in such a strong position now if they had nt have had , all be it only a few of the tara rocks on their first team over the duration of the amalgamation .
They are definitely in a stronger position now . And tara rocks weaker. .
Easy to be wise after, hindsight and all that jazz .
I m sure tara rocks had survival of the club at its main objective . Not sure why kilanerin entered the arrangement if it did nt have some benefit which imo was to give them that extra 5% they needed to kick on ." The reason Kilanerin are stronger now is that their own players are far stronger now than they were. They main reason they entered the agreement was that they had just been relegated to intermediate football which was akin to a bereavement and they believed that a couple of the best rock players would help them back to senior.
I don't think anyone would doubt that theyd be back senior by now either way.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 543 - 25/11/2025 16:29:13
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Just moving away from the conversation, I see some interesting motions for convention. One on where a player can play in wexford town, boundaries to be set as of 1 January 1972 by Catholic Parish Boundary. There are loads of by laws to this.
There is a joint motion from Sars and Glynn about alloing minors playing adult, as follows
A Player who has not celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship will have free grading in the adult championship until the knock out stages. This exception permits the player to play only one championship game per week-end only. Coming on as a substitute constitutes as a game, so if the player comes on for any short time in a game, that is his only game time for that 7-day period. However, he may only partake in one grade of championship in each code in a seven-day period (Friday morning to the following Thursday night.) If the player plays up a grade one weekend, they will be permitted to return to a lower grade the following weekend.
A player availing of this rule who plays for a club's first team may not play, at any stage, with a club's third team for the remainder of the championship year pursuant to Code 10.8 T.O 2025.
A player availing of this rule who play's for a club's second team may not play, at any stage, with a club's fourth team for the remainder of the championship year pursuant to Code 10.8 T.O 2025.
Team sheets will be checked, and any breach of rule will result in disciplinary action
There is also another motion from Buffers Alley, Raps, Glynn, Harriers and Sars which I think will be the most successful, similar to above albeit if he plays minor championship on a Wednesday, he cant play adult until the Saturday but he has to play with the minor team in his previous game, I suppose this stops a team resting a player for minor and playing adult at the weekend.
Adult
A Player shall have celebrated their 17th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year.
and that the following be added Bye Law 9 - Grading of Clubs and Players:
iv. A Player who has not celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year is restricted from playing in both an Adult Championship or League Match and an U18 Championship or League Match within a 46-hour period (from starting time of matches).
A Player who has not celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year is restricted from playing an Adult Championship or League Match if they did not play in their previous U18 Championship or League Match (irrespective of Code) before the Adult Championship or League Match except if they could not play due to suspension or if they did not play in their previous U18 Championship or League Match (irrespective of Code) and their Club's involvement in that competition has finished by 7 days or more. No other reasons such as injury, holidays, etc. apply as an exception to this restriction. If a player only plays one code, the restriction only applies to having played their previous U18 Championship or League match in that code.
Ballygarrett, Taghmon also have similar type motions, Ballygarret is a straight for 18 Years to play, no doubt as they went well at minor this year.
The executive obviously reading the room have there own motion in.
In the event that the motion allowing 18-year-olds to play in adult games is passed, the Adult Central Competitions Committee (CCC) and the Underage Central Competitions Committee (U18 CCC) shall collaborate with a structured liaison process to ensure coordinated scheduling and policy alignment.
-Further, the U18 Championship shall remain unaffected by any adult-team fixtures or decisions arising from the motion; no adult-match scheduling or outcomes shall infringe upon or take precedence over U18 fixtures. In the event of any scheduling conflict, U18 fixtures shall take priority.
Notes:
· This motion is conditional on the passage of the motion permitting 18-year-olds to participate in adult competitions.
· If the referenced motion does not pass, this motion shall have no force or effect." The Alley, Rapps, Glynn, sars motion is flawed.
It would put clubs who are fixed on a Friday night at a potential disadvantage.
Also most junior b matches are on Friday nights, so it would prevent a minor from playing junior b.
Also, if a player was on holidays for a Wednesday minor game, but back for the weekend he can't play adult. Makes little sense.
And in the county board motion the phrase "under 18 fixtures shall take priority" is too vague and needs to be amended to be more specific. Could that be interpreted as an adult fixture should be delayed to allow a minor game to be played.
I think it means that a minor player must play minor rather than adult in the case of a fixture conflict, but that is not what the motion says.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 543 - 25/11/2025 16:44:56
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Replying To Onfor15: " Replying To alwaysasub: "Just moving away from the conversation, I see some interesting motions for convention. One on where a player can play in wexford town, boundaries to be set as of 1 January 1972 by Catholic Parish Boundary. There are loads of by laws to this.
There is a joint motion from Sars and Glynn about alloing minors playing adult, as follows
<i>A Player who has not celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship will have free grading in the adult championship until the knock out stages. This exception permits the player to play only one championship game per week-end only. Coming on as a substitute constitutes as a game, so if the player comes on for any short time in a game, that is his only game time for that 7-day period. However, he may only partake in one grade of championship in each code in a seven-day period (Friday morning to the following Thursday night.) If the player plays up a grade one weekend, they will be permitted to return to a lower grade the following weekend.
A player availing of this rule who plays for a club's first team may not play, at any stage, with a club's third team for the remainder of the championship year pursuant to Code 10.8 T.O 2025.
A player availing of this rule who play's for a club's second team may not play, at any stage, with a club's fourth team for the remainder of the championship year pursuant to Code 10.8 T.O 2025.
Team sheets will be checked, and any breach of rule will result in disciplinary action
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There is also another motion from Buffers Alley, Raps, Glynn, Harriers and Sars which I think will be the most successful, similar to above albeit if he plays minor championship on a Wednesday, he cant play adult until the Saturday but he has to play with the minor team in his previous game, I suppose this stops a team resting a player for minor and playing adult at the weekend.
<i>Adult
A Player shall have celebrated their 17th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year.
and that the following be added Bye Law 9 - Grading of Clubs and Players:
iv. A Player who has not celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year is restricted from playing in both an Adult Championship or League Match and an U18 Championship or League Match within a 46-hour period (from starting time of matches).
A Player who has not celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year is restricted from playing an Adult Championship or League Match if they did not play in their previous U18 Championship or League Match (irrespective of Code) before the Adult Championship or League Match except if they could not play due to suspension or if they did not play in their previous U18 Championship or League Match (irrespective of Code) and their Club's involvement in that competition has finished by 7 days or more. No other reasons such as injury, holidays, etc. apply as an exception to this restriction. If a player only plays one code, the restriction only applies to having played their previous U18 Championship or League match in that code.</i>
Ballygarrett, Taghmon also have similar type motions, Ballygarret is a straight for 18 Years to play, no doubt as they went well at minor this year.
The executive obviously reading the room have there own motion in.
<i>In the event that the motion allowing 18-year-olds to play in adult games is passed, the Adult Central Competitions Committee (CCC) and the Underage Central Competitions Committee (U18 CCC) shall collaborate with a structured liaison process to ensure coordinated scheduling and policy alignment.
-Further, the U18 Championship shall remain unaffected by any adult-team fixtures or decisions arising from the motion; no adult-match scheduling or outcomes shall infringe upon or take precedence over U18 fixtures. In the event of any scheduling conflict, U18 fixtures shall take priority.
</i>
<i>Notes:
· This motion is conditional on the passage of the motion permitting 18-year-olds to participate in adult competitions.
· If the referenced motion does not pass, this motion shall have no force or effect.</i>"</div>The Alley, Rapps, Glynn, sars motion is flawed.
It would put clubs who are fixed on a Friday night at a potential disadvantage.
Also most junior b matches are on Friday nights, so it would prevent a minor from playing junior b.
Also, if a player was on holidays for a Wednesday minor game, but back for the weekend he can't play adult. Makes little sense.
And in the county board motion the phrase "under 18 fixtures shall take priority" is too vague and needs to be amended to be more specific. Could that be interpreted as an adult fixture should be delayed to allow a minor game to be played.
I think it means that a minor player must play minor rather than adult in the case of a fixture conflict, but that is not what the motion says." Its 46 hours not 48 And from start of 1st match not end. So that should rule out any issues with Friday games.
Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 230 - 25/11/2025 18:54:51
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Replying To Onfor15: "The reason Kilanerin are stronger now is that their own players are far stronger now than they were. They main reason they entered the agreement was that they had just been relegated to intermediate football which was akin to a bereavement and they believed that a couple of the best rock players would help them back to senior.
I don't think anyone would doubt that theyd be back senior by now either way." That was my point they got the short term benefit they wanted . Yes they would prob be back senior not long after either way .
Surely they also benefit from the amalgamation underage too which is place longer and having extra players ensures year on year they will have extra players to boost quality or ensure enough for 2 teams . Will it still be in sutu if they split at adult .
Realistically if tara rocks want to be successful . They ll need yo start fielding on their own underage . I dint know if thst is their ambition at this moment . Ie not in the know .
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Replying To Formertownie: "That was my point they got the short term benefit they wanted . Yes they would prob be back senior not long after either way .
Surely they also benefit from the amalgamation underage too which is place longer and having extra players ensures year on year they will have extra players to boost quality or ensure enough for 2 teams . Will it still be in sutu if they split at adult .
Realistically if tara rocks want to be successful . They ll need yo start fielding on their own underage . I dint know if thst is their ambition at this moment . Ie not in the know ." Pretty sure they are wanting to go alone underage aswell. Maybe try and field on their own starting at U8s or something. Although I would imagine they will need to stay with Kilanerin from u18s, u16, u14 etc for the time being.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 568 - 25/11/2025 20:38:58
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Replying To Formertownie: "That was my point they got the short term benefit they wanted . Yes they would prob be back senior not long after either way .
Surely they also benefit from the amalgamation underage too which is place longer and having extra players ensures year on year they will have extra players to boost quality or ensure enough for 2 teams . Will it still be in sutu if they split at adult .
Realistically if tara rocks want to be successful . They ll need yo start fielding on their own underage . I dint know if thst is their ambition at this moment . Ie not in the know ." They are completely split.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17689 - 26/11/2025 05:51:23
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@onfor15 - FWIW, my reading of this bit - In the event of any scheduling conflict, U18 fixtures shall take priority.
I'd guess it's meant to mean that if a club is down to play minor & adult on the same day or same weekend, and they want a minor player to also line out in the adult match, they can't request a postponement of the minor game, because "U18 fixtures shall take priority".
And while they could request a postponement of the adult match, it's unlikely it would be granted, for two reasons:
1 - If the fixture is already announced, the other club would have to agree to it
2 - Putting any round of the adult championship back would have a knock-on effect on the whole club championship calendar, and more than likely mean they wouldn't be finished in time for champions to compete in the Leinster championship.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3289 - 26/11/2025 10:16:24
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Just a general thought on all the calls for minors to also be allowed to play adult -
We've had another summer where people complained about four rounds of the U21 championships (two hurling, two football) being played midweek around July/August. "Unfair" to ask lads of around 19/20/21 years of age to play midweek as well as weekend, player workload, burnout, etc., etc. Some adult managers stopping some players from lining out at U21. At least one club not entering the U21 championship at all in order to "protect" these younger players.
But now we could end up with system where players just 17 or 18 years old would have midweek and weekend fixtures every single week for the whole two months. And not only that, but the long one from Buffers Alley & others would actually compel them to play midweek Minor if they want to play weekend adult.
Make it make sense!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3289 - 26/11/2025 11:21:18
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