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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I was in Kilkenny today with work and they do not want a replay. Hardly a mention of the scoreboard, all talking about the poor play, missed chances, poor performances, and so forth.
But sooner or later, the GAA needs to wake up and start helping our officials out.
The day of a referee bringing 4 of his pals as umpires is over. Umpires need coaching as to their positioning relative to the ball, and relative to the post, so they can make the best decision. Posts need to be higher in some grounds to help the umpire out. I would say no umpire should be doing umpire at an inter-county match unless he has been tested and his ability verified by hawk-eye. If he's not getting most of the decisions right, he's not up to it. Pay him for his day out, he deserves more than a dinner for doing umpire on All-Ireland final day. They should be paid for every inter county match they do umpire for.
The game is simply too fast for 1 referee now, he can't make an accurate decision from 70 yards away. He needs help. The linesmen need to be able to make calls when they see it better than the referee.
I think we need to bring a TMO official in to it where a referee thinks or is advised that he needs to send somebody off. Like, we can all argue the decisions and based on replays decide but the one man with a yellow and red card in his hand has to decide based on heresay of the linesman, umpires, or what he saw live. I'm not saying stop the game for 5 minutes to slow down a TMO to the nth degree but at least let the referee run to the sideline and have a quick look and decide then. He can spend minutes talking to these lads and by the time is finished everybody watching has seen it. Why not show him?
Also, for "last play" calls (e.g. Limerick 65 in 2019, Clare v Waterford in Cusack Park last year) let the referee have a look at these themselves.
I'm not calling for every decision to be reviewed, but we're now 27 years on from Jimmy Cooney in 1998 or 37 from John Denton in 1988 and not a thing has changed regarding how we support our officials despite monumental improvements in technology and its literally right beside them to help them.
Its time to grow up and start helping the man out. We'll never get better referees until we do." That's a good post and I'd agree with most of it. Refs do need help, and linesmen do need far more involvement and work as a team. But you see a linesman on Sunday missing paddy deegans strike to the head and it happening only a couple of yards away right in front of him sure what hope has a referee got.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I was in Kilkenny today with work and they do not want a replay. Hardly a mention of the scoreboard, all talking about the poor play, missed chances, poor performances, and so forth.
But sooner or later, the GAA needs to wake up and start helping our officials out.
The day of a referee bringing 4 of his pals as umpires is over. Umpires need coaching as to their positioning relative to the ball, and relative to the post, so they can make the best decision. Posts need to be higher in some grounds to help the umpire out. I would say no umpire should be doing umpire at an inter-county match unless he has been tested and his ability verified by hawk-eye. If he's not getting most of the decisions right, he's not up to it. Pay him for his day out, he deserves more than a dinner for doing umpire on All-Ireland final day. They should be paid for every inter county match they do umpire for.
The game is simply too fast for 1 referee now, he can't make an accurate decision from 70 yards away. He needs help. The linesmen need to be able to make calls when they see it better than the referee.
I think we need to bring a TMO official in to it where a referee thinks or is advised that he needs to send somebody off. Like, we can all argue the decisions and based on replays decide but the one man with a yellow and red card in his hand has to decide based on heresay of the linesman, umpires, or what he saw live. I'm not saying stop the game for 5 minutes to slow down a TMO to the nth degree but at least let the referee run to the sideline and have a quick look and decide then. He can spend minutes talking to these lads and by the time is finished everybody watching has seen it. Why not show him?
Also, for "last play" calls (e.g. Limerick 65 in 2019, Clare v Waterford in Cusack Park last year) let the referee have a look at these themselves.
I'm not calling for every decision to be reviewed, but we're now 27 years on from Jimmy Cooney in 1998 or 37 from John Denton in 1988 and not a thing has changed regarding how we support our officials despite monumental improvements in technology and its literally right beside them to help them.
Its time to grow up and start helping the man out. We'll never get better referees until we do." Denton was '89, wasn't he? In that infamous semi-final between Galway and Tipp!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2332 - 09/07/2025 02:03:32
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Replying To Claretandblue: "Clare vs Waterford where the umpire made the right decision??" Exactly and the game on the weekend, where the umpire also made the correct call. He waved it wide and ref did not note the score.
The mistake at the weekend was caused by the scorecard official, not the umpires or the ref.
It's mad how people will just ignore what happened, to go on another rant about refs and umpires.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2421 - 09/07/2025 08:53:02
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Replying To mooncat: "Anyone I have been talking to dont want a replay,we were beaten on the field,thats it." Kilkenny dont do excuses to be fair to them spoke to a few this week and all were on about the mistakes they made themselves coughing up 4 goals sometimes i think we could take a lesson from them on that we are more inclined to go on about oficials than they do and adress the issues on the field.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 408 - 09/07/2025 09:00:55
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Replying To Newyorkkat: "One umpire signaled wide.. but the other umpire put his hand up in the air to catch the ball and the red must have tough he put his hand up because he was over the bar." And I'd say you're right,and that's exactly what happened.
Great catch by the Umpire though!
Moyle (Tipperary) - Posts: 92 - 09/07/2025 11:55:36
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Replying To Moyle: "And I'd say you're right,and that's exactly what happened.
Great catch by the Umpire though!" Umpires aren't supposed to catch the ball in flight like that, every umpire should know this down to club level,
so if your theory is correct the umpire was at fault for catching it and that confused the scoreboard genius, no white flag was raised, the mind boggles tbh.
I wonder how Tipp would feel if KK had scored that late goal and they were out of the Championship now?
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3326 - 09/07/2025 12:13:25
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Umpires aren't supposed to catch the ball in flight like that, every umpire should know this down to club level,
so if your theory is correct the umpire was at fault for catching it and that confused the scoreboard genius, no white flag was raised, the mind boggles tbh.
I wonder how Tipp would feel if KK had scored that late goal and they were out of the Championship now?" Why does it matter if the umpire attempted to catch the ball? He tried to catch it as it usually would hit the net and bounce back on the pitch all he did was prevent that from happening. If your anyway a fan of football or hurling and understand how a point is signalled at inter county level specifically (as the scoreboard operator obviously does) then there should be no problem with the umpire trying to catch the ball. There should be no confusion as not only did the umpire NOT wave his white flag, he waved it wide. It was a complete error from croke parks scoreboard operator, not the umpire for raising his hand. Also, had Kilkenny scored a goal at the end, it would have surely had to go to a replay as tipp would have thought they were safe with extra time. But the right decision was made overall, and although unlucky for the cats, and maybe a bit unfair, an error was made and the result just has to stand.
gaa.88 (Kerry) - Posts: 5 - 09/07/2025 12:34:31
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Replying To Tiger1: "Kilkenny dont do excuses to be fair to them spoke to a few this week and all were on about the mistakes they made themselves coughing up 4 goals sometimes i think we could take a lesson from them on that we are more inclined to go on about oficials than they do and adress the issues on the field." 'Lesser' counties are possibly more likely than so called 'huge' hurling counties to 'go on about' officials, because historically imo, they had a higher propensity to be 'rode' by officials.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4301 - 09/07/2025 12:47:32
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Replying To gaa.88: "Why does it matter if the umpire attempted to catch the ball? He tried to catch it as it usually would hit the net and bounce back on the pitch all he did was prevent that from happening. If your anyway a fan of football or hurling and understand how a point is signalled at inter county level specifically (as the scoreboard operator obviously does) then there should be no problem with the umpire trying to catch the ball. There should be no confusion as not only did the umpire NOT wave his white flag, he waved it wide. It was a complete error from croke parks scoreboard operator, not the umpire for raising his hand. Also, had Kilkenny scored a goal at the end, it would have surely had to go to a replay as tipp would have thought they were safe with extra time. But the right decision was made overall, and although unlucky for the cats, and maybe a bit unfair, an error was made and the result just has to stand." That's a load of rubbish tbh, and the umpires aren't supposed to try and catch a ball if flight as I said.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3326 - 09/07/2025 12:50:45
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Replying To Claretandblue: "Clare vs Waterford where the umpire made the right decision??" Correction : GUESSED the right decision and he had a 50/50 chance of being right.
I would say his point is possibly that it would have been better if the referee could have looked at that decision and check the umpire was right, given it was a game deciding decision whether it was a 65 or not.
Or like the Dublin goal earlier this year v Wexford. The replay clearly showed it was a wrong call, the whole country knew it was and yet nobody told the referee?
If we continue to scapegoat officials, not help them, GAA get everything they deserve regarding their capability.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1894 - 09/07/2025 12:55:05
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The point is though that there are lots of umpires not up to the job and there are mares of calls every year. Its a tough job so we need the best ones at it, not the best friends of the ref.
You should improve these things in life before there's a mare of a mistake, not in reaction to it. And where tech is there that can help the referee, use it.
Who controls the score board in Croke Park does anyone know?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1894 - 09/07/2025 13:00:33
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Replying To gaa.88: "Why does it matter if the umpire attempted to catch the ball? He tried to catch it as it usually would hit the net and bounce back on the pitch all he did was prevent that from happening. If your anyway a fan of football or hurling and understand how a point is signalled at inter county level specifically (as the scoreboard operator obviously does) then there should be no problem with the umpire trying to catch the ball. There should be no confusion as not only did the umpire NOT wave his white flag, he waved it wide. It was a complete error from croke parks scoreboard operator, not the umpire for raising his hand. Also, had Kilkenny scored a goal at the end, it would have surely had to go to a replay as tipp would have thought they were safe with extra time. But the right decision was made overall, and although unlucky for the cats, and maybe a bit unfair, an error was made and the result just has to stand." In other sports. Official's never made a effort to stop or catch a ball. In soccer a ball can roll out of Play right beside a linesman and he will not even look at it.
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 174 - 09/07/2025 13:08:52
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Correction : GUESSED the right decision and he had a 50/50 chance of being right.
I would say his point is possibly that it would have been better if the referee could have looked at that decision and check the umpire was right, given it was a game deciding decision whether it was a 65 or not.
Or like the Dublin goal earlier this year v Wexford. The replay clearly showed it was a wrong call, the whole country knew it was and yet nobody told the referee?
If we continue to scapegoat officials, not help them, GAA get everything they deserve regarding their capability." He made the right decision and you're still griping. You want technology for every single crucial call? That could be 25 times a match
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2259 - 09/07/2025 13:43:08
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Replying To gaa.88: "Why does it matter if the umpire attempted to catch the ball? He tried to catch it as it usually would hit the net and bounce back on the pitch all he did was prevent that from happening. If your anyway a fan of football or hurling and understand how a point is signalled at inter county level specifically (as the scoreboard operator obviously does) then there should be no problem with the umpire trying to catch the ball. There should be no confusion as not only did the umpire NOT wave his white flag, he waved it wide. It was a complete error from croke parks scoreboard operator, not the umpire for raising his hand. Also, had Kilkenny scored a goal at the end, it would have surely had to go to a replay as tipp would have thought they were safe with extra time. But the right decision was made overall, and although unlucky for the cats, and maybe a bit unfair, an error was made and the result just has to stand." If KK had scored a goal. Why would Tipp be entitled to a replay and as it stands right now KK are not entitled. Please explain
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 174 - 09/07/2025 13:46:57
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Liam Gordan as referee for the All Ireland Final is a slight advantage to Cork in my opinion. In order to compete with the way Cork move the ball at pace, Tipperary are going to have to play on the limits of what is allowed and perhaps occasionally cross the line. Liam Gordan is very good at picking up on any such indiscretions and will easily dish out a card to try and cut it it out. Liam will not be giving lads warnings and any player who is on a yellow, needs to be squeaky clean for the rest of the their time on the field
LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 190 - 09/07/2025 14:04:44
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Replying To Newyorkkat: "In other sports. Official's never made a effort to stop or catch a ball. In soccer a ball can roll out of Play right beside a linesman and he will not even look at it." This umpire had zero excuse for touching that ball. What does he think his functions are ? Back up goalie ? The game could not go on without that ball ? A brain **** for sure or a lack of knowledge to be there in the first place. His action was the trigger for the error of others that followed.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3129 - 09/07/2025 14:09:02
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Replying To Canuck: "This umpire had zero excuse for touching that ball. What does he think his functions are ? Back up goalie ? The game could not go on without that ball ? A brain **** for sure or a lack of knowledge to be there in the first place. His action was the trigger for the error of others that followed." If he had done his job and not being a ball boy. He might have noticed the error and informed the ref
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 174 - 09/07/2025 14:49:38
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Replying To Claretandblue: "He made the right decision and you're still griping. You want technology for every single crucial call? That could be 25 times a match" Are you really claiming that that umpire made the right decision based on what he saw? He hadn't a notion and TSG pundits said just that.
Where is it griping to say help our officials to get big decisons right? I'm not saying stop the play for every crucial call, stop it if there is a goal given which isn't or for a last play game decider. Not wanting every single crucial call so stop putting words in my mouth.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1894 - 09/07/2025 15:03:52
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Replying To Newyorkkat: "If he had done his job and not being a ball boy. He might have noticed the error and informed the ref" He might have noticed a scoreboard that's behind him above the Nally and told the ref? The only other scoreboard is a very small one up in the canal, which again he'd be in a poor position to see. The umpire's whose job it was to signal, waved it clearly wide. The umpires did their job.
The fact that the scoreboard operator made a big mistake is on him/her, not the umpire or the ref. Ger Canning on commentary, references straight away that it was wide. No white flag went up and we had a clear wide hand signal. That's generally enough for most people. Whether the crowd were shouting or the other umpire caught a sliotar has nothing to do with it.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2421 - 09/07/2025 17:09:35
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Replying To WanPintWin: "He might have noticed a scoreboard that's behind him above the Nally and told the ref? The only other scoreboard is a very small one up in the canal, which again he'd be in a poor position to see. The umpire's whose job it was to signal, waved it clearly wide. The umpires did their job.
The fact that the scoreboard operator made a big mistake is on him/her, not the umpire or the ref. Ger Canning on commentary, references straight away that it was wide. No white flag went up and we had a clear wide hand signal. That's generally enough for most people. Whether the crowd were shouting or the other umpire caught a sliotar has nothing to do with it." One umpire did his job the other one did a job he was not supposed to do. That is my point.
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 174 - 09/07/2025 17:28:22
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