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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I m in same boat as you RealDub. A team that scores 14 one pointers in a game are better than the team that score 4 two pointers and 6 one pointers.
Like you ill take a win anytime but im not sure im a two pointer fan but Im def against the two point frees.
Some of the rules are good but some I hate ."
From what I see the two pointers are suiting the weaker teams more.

brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 19/05/2025 21:32:32    2611170

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Replying To realdub:  "One thing that pleased me most about Dublin's win v Galway was, not one 2 pointer required to win a close game.
2 pointers paper over cracks.
I'm not saying I wouldn't take one to win a big game, but i want it gone."
Cheers to that.

brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 19/05/2025 21:34:41    2611171

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I m in same boat as you RealDub. A team that scores 14 one pointers in a game are better than the team that score 4 two pointers and 6 one pointers.
Like you ill take a win anytime but im not sure im a two pointer fan but Im def against the two point frees.
Some of the rules are good but some I hate ."
Absolutely, lose the mark also, play the feck on,this is gaelic football.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8756 - 19/05/2025 21:56:14    2611175

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Poor crowds in Killarney, Ennis and Castlebar. The Cavan result is great and really sparks that group but still not a reason for keeping the current terrible system.
Next year if you have Kerry v Roscommon in Round 1. You've no idea who's coming in Round 2. Lose Round 1 and you could have Galway or Mayo in Round 2B."
You might think next year is a better system but the current is neither terrible or a complete failure. Two years ago westmeath were a straightforward enough free from knocking tyrone out. The media were to asleep to realise how close things were. The crowds are always going to be down for there matches but so what. They never existed until two years ago.

Down fo example are being given a real chance to develop this year with a nice group and at least three games. Beating Clare so well and a nice home match against their neighbours in louth will stir interest there which is a good thing. Likewise cavan after a very poor match against tyrone have given hope against mayo and they will have a big crowd against donegal.

Its certainly not perfect and does not give enough value to the competitive provincial championship winners and actually disadvantages ulster and leinster finalists with less of a break between games but these items could be fixed. And ultimately I wouldn't forgo the memory of winning ulster this year. It was very special.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 825 - 19/05/2025 22:19:16    2611183

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Watched back The Sunday Game this evening, skipping the first hour until the football.
Cavan had great hunger. Mayo then were off it. The combination that would setup an upset. Cavan and Down both delivered the results that should go along way to seeing them advance from their groups.
Clare should be in the Tailteann Cup. Clare are making a mockery of All Ireland qualification. It is ridiculous that 3rd in Division 3 Clare can beat 5th in Division 4 Tipperary to qualify for the All Ireland championship ahead of the Division 3 winners Offaly, Division 3 runners up Kildare and even Westmeath who were in Division 2.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8824 - 19/05/2025 22:21:14    2611186

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Replying To realdub:  "Absolutely, lose the mark also, play the feck on,this is gaelic football."
Agree.You get the mark then have a shot and miss it and its brought back for a free shot so you get two chances.A joke.Get rid!

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3931 - 19/05/2025 22:29:50    2611189

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I agree…. I am tired saying the 2 pointers add nothing to the game only creates huge inflated score lines… Now people want goals increased to 4 points to make a pigs ear out of the game altogether"
Agree

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3931 - 19/05/2025 22:34:18    2611190

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Thats fine and an Ulster or even a Connaught winner might deserve home games but the provinces are lopsided."
And maybe that's a key point. Stop treating provinces like they are the same because they are not. Don't let provisional finalists automatically into to all ireland. What real good is it doing clare. The best chance they had was two years ago against us and they fluffed it. Down in theory are not much better on league form but they gave earned their spot by winning the tailteann Cup last year.
Yeah, give two home games to the winner of the two highest ranked provincials and rank them based on the average league position. At the minute that's ulster and connacht but that will change over time.
Don't start any of the round robins to this week so every team gets the same break between matches.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 825 - 19/05/2025 22:52:59    2611194

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Watched back The Sunday Game this evening, skipping the first hour until the football.
Cavan had great hunger. Mayo then were off it. The combination that would setup an upset. Cavan and Down both delivered the results that should go along way to seeing them advance from their groups.
Clare should be in the Tailteann Cup. Clare are making a mockery of All Ireland qualification. It is ridiculous that 3rd in Division 3 Clare can beat 5th in Division 4 Tipperary to qualify for the All Ireland championship ahead of the Division 3 winners Offaly, Division 3 runners up Kildare and even Westmeath who were in Division 2."
Let me remind you that Clare beat both Offaly AND Kildare in the league, so there's no mockery!

All the teams that you mention are Tailteann Cup standard! Just becoz Clare aren't Sam standard doesn't mean the KD, OY, or WM are!

What's a mockery is that we've a Munster championship in football. Toss Kerry into Ulster with compete with the Northern teams. Had that been the case historically, their 81 provincial titles would be cut to about 30 or 40!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2248 - 20/05/2025 02:49:30    2611209

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Watched back The Sunday Game this evening, skipping the first hour until the football.
Cavan had great hunger. Mayo then were off it. The combination that would setup an upset. Cavan and Down both delivered the results that should go along way to seeing them advance from their groups.
Clare should be in the Tailteann Cup. Clare are making a mockery of All Ireland qualification. It is ridiculous that 3rd in Division 3 Clare can beat 5th in Division 4 Tipperary to qualify for the All Ireland championship ahead of the Division 3 winners Offaly, Division 3 runners up Kildare and even Westmeath who were in Division 2."
The Munster football championship has been making a mockery of the all Ireland championship for years and Kerry have been the beneficiaries of it!

Pjm111 (Clare) - Posts: 14 - 20/05/2025 05:33:37    2611210

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Let me remind you that Clare beat both Offaly AND Kildare in the league, so there's no mockery!

All the teams that you mention are Tailteann Cup standard! Just becoz Clare aren't Sam standard doesn't mean the KD, OY, or WM are!

What's a mockery is that we've a Munster championship in football. Toss Kerry into Ulster with compete with the Northern teams. Had that been the case historically, their 81 provincial titles would be cut to about 30 or 40!"
Toss what you like but Kerry isn't in Ulster.
Provinces are what they are and in the case of Munster that's 5 hurling Counties plus Kerry.
Let the League decide seedings.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2322 - 20/05/2025 09:03:31    2611225

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Replying To Pjm111:  "The Munster football championship has been making a mockery of the all Ireland championship for years and Kerry have been the beneficiaries of it!"
Munster counties ranked as follows after the league:
1 Kerry, 2 Cork, 3 Clare, 4 Limerick, 5 Tipperary and 6 Waterford.
League ranking should be used for a balanced provincial draw. Quarter finals example: Clare v Tipperary and Limerick v Waterford. Semi finals example: Kerry v Clare/Tipperary and Cork v Limerick/Waterford.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8824 - 20/05/2025 09:21:04    2611228

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Replying To Pjm111:  "The Munster football championship has been making a mockery of the all Ireland championship for years and Kerry have been the beneficiaries of it!"
I think the Munster football championship will now, at last, be under the spotlight, and rightly so.
It is now the only lopsided province remaining, now that Leinster has levelled out.

And based on the Munster u20 grade since 2020, 5 have been won by kerry, and the last 3 minor finals won by kerry also.
So it is very unlikely that the Munster senior football championship will have a new winner anytime soon.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4264 - 20/05/2025 09:28:40    2611229

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Toss what you like but Kerry isn't in Ulster.
Provinces are what they are and in the case of Munster that's 5 hurling Counties plus Kerry.
Let the League decide seedings."
86 Munster Senior Football Championship titles is some record.

But Cork should be more competitive in the football.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4264 - 20/05/2025 10:28:00    2611248

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Replying To Fionn:  "I think the Munster football championship will now, at last, be under the spotlight, and rightly so.
It is now the only lopsided province remaining, now that Leinster has levelled out.

And based on the Munster u20 grade since 2020, 5 have been won by kerry, and the last 3 minor finals won by kerry also.
So it is very unlikely that the Munster senior football championship will have a new winner anytime soon."
What's the answer?
Disregard the Munster SFC in the Sam?
Do we really believe that Leinster will become competitive again?
Dublin taking a rest this year.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2322 - 20/05/2025 10:29:29    2611251

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Surprised to see that the Armagh vs Derry game on Saturday evening won't be broadcast anywhere. Should be a great game!

sam2024 (Armagh) - Posts: 54 - 20/05/2025 10:35:15    2611254

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "What's the answer?
Disregard the Munster SFC in the Sam?
Do we really believe that Leinster will become competitive again?
Dublin taking a rest this year."
Some Leinster counties have caught up on Dublin.
No current underage success for Dublin either.
Definitely not a rest year. No kit-kat involved here....

Leinster and Munster football championship in the next few years will be like chalk and cheese.

It is very hard for Tipp, Limerick, Clare, Waterford to be competitive in football.
Like Kilkenny.
But imo Cork should be closer to Kerry on a more regular basis.

It is not Kerry's fault they are in a hurling province.
But expect their domination to continue down there for the foreseeable.....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4264 - 20/05/2025 10:41:59    2611255

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Replying To Fionn:  "86 Munster Senior Football Championship titles is some record.

But Cork should be more competitive in the football."
Yeah agree but My own county were in the same position for a long time in Ulster and look where Ulster is now. I really dont think the issue is around structure but its around the development of our games. I'd leave Munster alone and start with the ground work

I do think counties are making strides at entry levels but its schools and especially secondary schools that need work. There are loads of counties where secondary schools are not doing well in the top competitions. They were usually seen as feeder systems for county teams. It usually comes down to whether a school has a few teachers within an interest in GAA. If they don't have those teachers then its good night irene

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 562 - 20/05/2025 10:56:00    2611257

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Dublin are now back in the groove. My dearest Pat Spillane has published his opion on the 6 best teams plus two others . He's kerry in first place. Thankfully one dark horse hasent got the kiss of death from him. The truth being that Kerry haven't being tested yet. I think this weekend will paint a much better picture of where things are at as all of our teams will have played and we will get a glimpse of who's who.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 911 - 20/05/2025 11:01:07    2611259

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Replying To sam2024:  "Surprised to see that the Armagh vs Derry game on Saturday evening won't be broadcast anywhere. Should be a great game!"
All four live Round 1 games on GAA+ are featuring the provincial winners. GAA+ are doing well to be getting subscribers for the lame group stage, even allowing for Cavan igniting their group.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8824 - 20/05/2025 11:22:24    2611264

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