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Replying To tirawleybaron: "It's as wide open a championship as there has been in a while.
Last year was open as regards the level of the top 8 counties.
Now we have a set of rules which results in every team being able to have a good rattle off anyone.
Kick a few two pointers and you will keep afloat in any game.
If your off you game at all, you'll be devoured on the kick out and you are in big trouble.
Tyrone were far better than Donegal yesterday and no one saw that coming in Ballyboffey.
You'd have to say that Armagh look to be the best team at the minute, but have the toughest route to the All Ireland left.
Paddy power has Kerry at 23/10 and Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh and Dublin at 11/2
Don't see how Kerry are such big favourites but obviously the handy draw means a lot to Paddy Power anyway" Kerry are absolutely guaranteed a quarter final in Tralee against a lower seed.
The difference this year is that it is not as predictable and they might catch one even at that stage, and will certainly be coming up against a very good side in the semi finals and I would not even attempt to confidently predict who they might be.
I said it before that I thought Monaghan had adapted well to the new rules and while they gave away four sloppy goals yesterday the seemed from the footage to be building on their good league. Probably done a favour by exiting Ulster. If they can tighten up defensively they'll be a threat to anyone.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3576 - 25/05/2025 10:39:50
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "Kerry are absolutely guaranteed a quarter final in Tralee against a lower seed.
The difference this year is that it is not as predictable and they might catch one even at that stage, and will certainly be coming up against a very good side in the semi finals and I would not even attempt to confidently predict who they might be.
I said it before that I thought Monaghan had adapted well to the new rules and while they gave away four sloppy goals yesterday the seemed from the footage to be building on their good league. Probably done a favour by exiting Ulster. If they can tighten up defensively they'll be a threat to anyone." Monaghan were very sloppy at times and the 4 goals reflect that. But they minced a Louth team who looked jaded to be fair. Lavelle was back but a bit rusty. If they keep him fit and get young Louis Kelly into the defence it will tighten things up. Stephen OHanlon enjoyed himself yesterday, his best championship showing in a while. Stephen Mooney is coming good too.
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1230 - 25/05/2025 10:55:58
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "Kerry are absolutely guaranteed a quarter final in Tralee against a lower seed.
The difference this year is that it is not as predictable and they might catch one even at that stage, and will certainly be coming up against a very good side in the semi finals and I would not even attempt to confidently predict who they might be.
I said it before that I thought Monaghan had adapted well to the new rules and while they gave away four sloppy goals yesterday the seemed from the footage to be building on their good league. Probably done a favour by exiting Ulster. If they can tighten up defensively they'll be a threat to anyone." Why you say that Barney? If Kerry get a home quarter final it could be against anyone like Dublin Atmagh Donegal Tyrone Galway etc. Is that not the case?
Example two of Armagh Dubs and Galway will prob be in prelim quarters.Same with Donegal Tyrone Mayo
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3958 - 25/05/2025 12:06:12
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Why you say that Barney? If Kerry get a home quarter final it could be against anyone like Dublin Atmagh Donegal Tyrone Galway etc. Is that not the case?
Example two of Armagh Dubs and Galway will prob be in prelim quarters.Same with Donegal Tyrone Mayo" Only Dublin get home Quarter Finals.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2383 - 25/05/2025 12:12:33
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "Kerry are absolutely guaranteed a quarter final in Tralee against a lower seed.
The difference this year is that it is not as predictable and they might catch one even at that stage, and will certainly be coming up against a very good side in the semi finals and I would not even attempt to confidently predict who they might be.
I said it before that I thought Monaghan had adapted well to the new rules and while they gave away four sloppy goals yesterday the seemed from the footage to be building on their good league. Probably done a favour by exiting Ulster. If they can tighten up defensively they'll be a threat to anyone." Agreed on Kerry Barney but not being tested until knockout rounds could catch them. Current form is more important than seeding. Yerselves, Meath, Cavan, Tyrone getting results when they matter. Some counties seem to be timing their run for All Ireland Series and beyond so their seedings weren't great because they just got through league and provincials ticking away before the real stuff gets going.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8042 - 25/05/2025 12:33:11
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Why you say that Barney? If Kerry get a home quarter final it could be against anyone like Dublin Atmagh Donegal Tyrone Galway etc. Is that not the case?
Example two of Armagh Dubs and Galway will prob be in prelim quarters.Same with Donegal Tyrone Mayo" Get with the programme......no home quarter finals, except for Dublin.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 583 - 25/05/2025 12:51:05
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Replying To ORIELMAN85: "Get with the programme......no home quarter finals, except for Dublin." Thats great.Our quarter final at home so in Parnell park
brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 156 - 25/05/2025 14:09:23
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Only Dublin get home Quarter Finals." The Rossies dont have to worry about in anyway.
brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 156 - 25/05/2025 14:19:44
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Replying To brayballer: "Thats great.Our quarter final at home so in Parnell park" Large majority of Dubs wouldn't have seen Dublin play in Parnell Park.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2311 - 25/05/2025 16:10:35
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When are the venues and dates announced for the final round of the round Robin games? Will there be double headers in croker?
Overseas30 (USA) - Posts: 3 - 26/05/2025 08:54:16
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Replying To Overseas30: "When are the venues and dates announced for the final round of the round Robin games? Will there be double headers in croker?" Football doesn't revolve around Croke Park.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2311 - 26/05/2025 11:25:05
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In proper groups of 4 where 2 advance, it is better that Round 1 winners play each other in Round 2. In this bizarre format of 3 from 4 advancing, it is actually better that Round 1 winners play each other in Round 3.
Group 1: Cavan 2, Tyrone 2, Donegal 0, Mayo 0.
Tyrone and Cavan clash in Round 3. The group cannot be won and noone can be eliminated until after Round 3.
Group 2: Kerry 2, Meath 2, Cork 0, Roscommon 0.
Kerry and Meath meet in R3. The group cannot be won and noone can be eliminated until after Round 3.
Group 3: Down 2, Monaghan 2, Louth 0, Clare 0.
Monaghan and Down play each other in R3. The group cannot be won and noone can be eliminated until after Round 3.
Group 4: Armagh 2, Dublin 2, Galway 0, Derry 0.
Armagh and Dublin clash in Round 2. Galway and Derry in the other game.
- Armagh and Derry wins eliminate Galway. Armagh win the group with a round to spare.
- Dublin and Galway wins eliminate Derry. Dublin win the group with a round to spare.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8897 - 26/05/2025 11:42:35
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Five of the eight provincial finalists defeated in round 1 , only Kerry , Armagh and Meath prevailing. We can expect more surprises in Round 2.
Kerry, Tyrone , Monaghan and winners of Dublin/Armagh appear to be favourites to top their groups but anything can happen. Round 3 going to be very interesting.
Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 609 - 26/05/2025 11:59:33
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Replying To legendzxix: "In proper groups of 4 where 2 advance, it is better that Round 1 winners play each other in Round 2. In this bizarre format of 3 from 4 advancing, it is actually better that Round 1 winners play each other in Round 3.
Group 1: Cavan 2, Tyrone 2, Donegal 0, Mayo 0.
Tyrone and Cavan clash in Round 3. The group cannot be won and noone can be eliminated until after Round 3.
Group 2: Kerry 2, Meath 2, Cork 0, Roscommon 0.
Kerry and Meath meet in R3. The group cannot be won and noone can be eliminated until after Round 3.
Group 3: Down 2, Monaghan 2, Louth 0, Clare 0.
Monaghan and Down play each other in R3. The group cannot be won and noone can be eliminated until after Round 3.
Group 4: Armagh 2, Dublin 2, Galway 0, Derry 0.
Armagh and Dublin clash in Round 2. Galway and Derry in the other game.
- Armagh and Derry wins eliminate Galway. Armagh win the group with a round to spare.
- Dublin and Galway wins eliminate Derry. Dublin win the group with a round to spare." Wow so game of the week is Derry v Galway so. Straight knockout game.
What a shock if Galway exit championship this weekend.
shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 358 - 26/05/2025 12:45:49
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Replying To shaggykev: "Wow so game of the week is Derry v Galway so. Straight knockout game.
What a shock if Galway exit championship this weekend." What shape are Derry in? Awful shame that game against Armagh wasn't shown live. Are they improving any bit or are they stagnating?
FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 152 - 26/05/2025 13:13:22
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Replying To brayballer: "The Rossies dont have to worry about in anyway." Good luck in the Tailteann Cup next Saturday.
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Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 530 - 26/05/2025 13:14:11
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Replying To legendzxix: "In proper groups of 4 where 2 advance, it is better that Round 1 winners play each other in Round 2. In this bizarre format of 3 from 4 advancing, it is actually better that Round 1 winners play each other in Round 3.
Group 1: Cavan 2, Tyrone 2, Donegal 0, Mayo 0.
Tyrone and Cavan clash in Round 3. The group cannot be won and noone can be eliminated until after Round 3.
Group 2: Kerry 2, Meath 2, Cork 0, Roscommon 0.
Kerry and Meath meet in R3. The group cannot be won and noone can be eliminated until after Round 3.
Group 3: Down 2, Monaghan 2, Louth 0, Clare 0.
Monaghan and Down play each other in R3. The group cannot be won and noone can be eliminated until after Round 3.
Group 4: Armagh 2, Dublin 2, Galway 0, Derry 0.
Armagh and Dublin clash in Round 2. Galway and Derry in the other game.
- Armagh and Derry wins eliminate Galway. Armagh win the group with a round to spare.
- Dublin and Galway wins eliminate Derry. Dublin win the group with a round to spare." And to think everyone want the groups gone - all because Derry got through to the q finals after losing in Ulster and two group games.
The group stage was wanted because we wanted to give counties more chances and more games.
They we thought there were too many chances and too much football.
Now that the football is good - we now want to keep the matches and groups as it.
In reality, if we had all just gone with Tomas O Se's suggestion - winners of opening matches play each other in 2nd round - we would have no dead rubbers and only 2 teams progressing.
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Replying To shaggykev: "Wow so game of the week is Derry v Galway so. Straight knockout game.
What a shock if Galway exit championship this weekend." It could happen.
brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 156 - 26/05/2025 14:00:04
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "And to think everyone want the groups gone - all because Derry got through to the q finals after losing in Ulster and two group games.
The group stage was wanted because we wanted to give counties more chances and more games.
They we thought there were too many chances and too much football.
Now that the football is good - we now want to keep the matches and groups as it.
In reality, if we had all just gone with Tomas O Se's suggestion - winners of opening matches play each other in 2nd round - we would have no dead rubbers and only 2 teams progressing." Well you would have the occasional dead rubber of a team on 2 wins already group winners and their opponent without a win already eliminated, but as the other group game throwing in at the same time would have 2nd v 3rd in a shootout - the dead rubber of 2 wins v 2 losses is just collateral damage and can be largely ignored.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8897 - 26/05/2025 14:14:56
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Replying To brayballer: "It could happen." If Galway lose and Armagh draw with Dublin....
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2383 - 26/05/2025 15:16:23
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