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Replying To LimerickandProud:  "In terms of talent and ability Austin Gleeson is right up there with the Joe Canning's and TJ Reid's of this world. A kind of player who (at one point at least) could bring any team up a level or two on his own."
I've a feeling he'll be starting On Sunday...

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 393 - 23/05/2025 10:24:11    2611844

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Not picked to start again..is there much point on him being in panel if not being used?
Cork have 4 changes,defence looks stronger on paper at least..thought fitzgibbon might have gone to midfield with Healy getting a start.
Clare have strongest team picked available to them and will surely bring a huge fight to limerick and go down battling..hope to see o Donnell as I fear he may not come back next year.
Limerick still look very strong even though there are 8 changes to starting team.delighted to see fellas getting time into legs before rest of year..
What a pity there is no coverage as there is still plenty of interest in the game.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2527 - 23/05/2025 12:15:55    2611862

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Poor enough game between Cork and Waterford today.A bit better in the second half but Waterford probably should have got a penalty in first half and cork player should have been black carded.Not sure it would have made a difference but it might have. Hope Limerick win the munster final now.

brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 145 - 25/05/2025 19:04:33    2612487

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Replying To brayballer:  "Poor enough game between Cork and Waterford today.A bit better in the second half but Waterford probably should have got a penalty in first half and cork player should have been black carded.Not sure it would have made a difference but it might have. Hope Limerick win the munster final now."
Congrats to Cork who won and that's what matters most. They were slightly better and lucky. Like you said another day Johnnie red card would have given a black card. I 'd liked to know the explanation or is this card gone. Two players impeded Bennett from scoring which I gave little doubt he would have. He was also unlucky to hit the post. Prunty unlucky for one and one gifted by Paddy Leavy. Another year of disappointment after just playing well enough to lose. Prunty still top three full backs in the game. Bennett is a marvel for his medical conditions. Will not be considered for an All- Star as not on the All-Ireland winning team. Not that these flawed awards matter.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 25/05/2025 20:09:00    2612511

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Replying To Canuck:  "Congrats to Cork who won and that's what matters most. They were slightly better and lucky. Like you said another day Johnnie red card would have given a black card. I 'd liked to know the explanation or is this card gone. Two players impeded Bennett from scoring which I gave little doubt he would have. He was also unlucky to hit the post. Prunty unlucky for one and one gifted by Paddy Leavy. Another year of disappointment after just playing well enough to lose. Prunty still top three full backs in the game. Bennett is a marvel for his medical conditions. Will not be considered for an All- Star as not on the All-Ireland winning team. Not that these flawed awards matter."
I think 'hurling' doesn't like black cards, because they're seen as 'a football rule', and any self respecting 'hurling man' wants as little to do with football as possible. Hence any referees seen to be enforcing this rule and issuing black cards will likely be viewed with skepticism and suspicion by 'hurlingman'.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4164 - 25/05/2025 21:59:18    2612547

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Replying To brayballer:  "Poor enough game between Cork and Waterford today.A bit better in the second half but Waterford probably should have got a penalty in first half and cork player should have been black carded.Not sure it would have made a difference but it might have. Hope Limerick win the munster final now."
You're some boyo, limerick and Dublin??? Bet you're real popular in your Wicklow school

systematic (Galway) - Posts: 180 - 25/05/2025 22:12:12    2612549

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Canuck ye should have had extra man for 10 minutes.I don't know what the rule is anymore on black card..
Thought ye showed just a bit to much respect to them..not one cork forward got a decent physical belt in the whole game..the 2 goals conceded were awful.leavey would have been better off trying to kick the ball over sideline..he made3/4 attempts to pick the ball..the 2nd was a terrible mistake from prunty who was very good otherwise.
Bennett should have scored a second goal,Walsh had a great chance in first half.
It is going to be hard to see Bennett back again as he is just about making it into the field..I'd like to have seen gleeson at full forward for last 10 minutes.
I'd love to see ye win Munster and all Ireland but fear time might be running out for this group.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2527 - 25/05/2025 22:12:22    2612550

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Replying To Canuck:  "Congrats to Cork who won and that's what matters most. They were slightly better and lucky. Like you said another day Johnnie red card would have given a black card. I 'd liked to know the explanation or is this card gone. Two players impeded Bennett from scoring which I gave little doubt he would have. He was also unlucky to hit the post. Prunty unlucky for one and one gifted by Paddy Leavy. Another year of disappointment after just playing well enough to lose. Prunty still top three full backs in the game. Bennett is a marvel for his medical conditions. Will not be considered for an All- Star as not on the All-Ireland winning team. Not that these flawed awards matter."
Cork was there for the taking. Waterford just didn't have enough assassins to complete the job. Cork went man to man again today. That didn't work too well against limerick the last day. It will be interesting to see how they structure up for the Munster final. The fire will be in their bellies alright, and I expect the Cork to be a different animal, but going man to man and their not playing deep in the middle third is difficult to understand.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2265 - 25/05/2025 23:25:35    2612567

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Canuck ye should have had extra man for 10 minutes.I don't know what the rule is anymore on black card..
Thought ye showed just a bit to much respect to them..not one cork forward got a decent physical belt in the whole game..the 2 goals conceded were awful.leavey would have been better off trying to kick the ball over sideline..he made3/4 attempts to pick the ball..the 2nd was a terrible mistake from prunty who was very good otherwise.
Bennett should have scored a second goal,Walsh had a great chance in first half.
It is going to be hard to see Bennett back again as he is just about making it into the field..I'd like to have seen gleeson at full forward for last 10 minutes.
I'd love to see ye win Munster and all Ireland but fear time might be running out for this group."
Yes it might be the end of the road for some. I don't see us going back to the terrible 80's. Some decent young players around like the Fitzgeralds that need to play more. Sean Walsh seems like a good prospect. The minor team is good this year. Remains to be seen if there is enough. I hope Peter Queally is kept as his determination can be seen in the team. He had the liathrodI to let Dessie out and proved right. Pulling off a player of Patrick Fitzgerald skill or not having him in has to change. I know he is very young.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 26/05/2025 02:21:31    2612578

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Replying To Canuck:  "Congrats to Cork who won and that's what matters most. They were slightly better and lucky. Like you said another day Johnnie red card would have given a black card. I 'd liked to know the explanation or is this card gone. Two players impeded Bennett from scoring which I gave little doubt he would have. He was also unlucky to hit the post. Prunty unlucky for one and one gifted by Paddy Leavy. Another year of disappointment after just playing well enough to lose. Prunty still top three full backs in the game. Bennett is a marvel for his medical conditions. Will not be considered for an All- Star as not on the All-Ireland winning team. Not that these flawed awards matter."
Congrats to Waterford also, going to the Pairc as a visiting team is damn hard to do. With a huge home crowd up on the refs back will often sway the ref's the decision in favour of the home team. Waterford were very much in the game though and If Stephen Bennetts shot that hit the post went in would have been a huge momentum swinger. I did think before that Cork likely had too much for Waterford (considering the bench they had and home advantage). I feel like if Waterford have 15 top class players but in the modern game you need 20. If they can add these they can be a force again.

I agree if the All Stars were being given out today Prunty, Barron and Stephen Bennett would definitely be in the mix.

Cork and Limerick in the Munster Final is going to be a massive occasion. Cork with a point to prove after their last trip to Gaelic Grounds. As Limerick learned from Clare yesterday, even if you are a small bit off, Munster Teams will take you apart

LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 164 - 26/05/2025 09:10:29    2612604

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Replying To Canuck:  "Yes it might be the end of the road for some. I don't see us going back to the terrible 80's. Some decent young players around like the Fitzgeralds that need to play more. Sean Walsh seems like a good prospect. The minor team is good this year. Remains to be seen if there is enough. I hope Peter Queally is kept as his determination can be seen in the team. He had the liathrodI to let Dessie out and proved right. Pulling off a player of Patrick Fitzgerald skill or not having him in has to change. I know he is very young."
Canuck, it does look like referees have been told not to issue black cards anymore. The only recent one I can recall was against a Clare defender in the Under 20 final v Tipperary, and that looked a doubtful decision. There have been a few blatant transgressions at senior level that have gone unpunished. I thought Johnny red card, as you call him, did a decent job overall, but if he had lived up to his name he must surely have sent off the Cork defender who appeared to strike his opponent near the corner flag, but only got a yellow card. I would have no fears for the future of Waterford hurling. They continue to produce quality young players, and having finally settled on a local manager I believe they are heading in the right direction.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 610 - 26/05/2025 10:15:41    2612634

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Isn't there something broken in the System where Waterford and Wexford are out of the Race for Liam McCarthy and Laois and Kildare are in.

No disrespect to Laois or Kildare but they haven't played on the top division of the Hurling League/Championship for a number of years, and in my opinion both look miles off Tipperary and Dublin (who they will have to play a a week a after the Joe McDonagh Final which in itself is totally unfair). I think Tipperary will easily beat the Joe McDonagh runner up by 20 odd points and Dublin will likely beat the Joe McDonagh winners by something similar.

Wouldn't Wexford V Tipperary and Waterford V Dublin make far more appealing Preliminary Quarter Final match ups?

LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 164 - 26/05/2025 11:35:31    2612678

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Replying To LimerickandProud:  "Isn't there something broken in the System where Waterford and Wexford are out of the Race for Liam McCarthy and Laois and Kildare are in.

No disrespect to Laois or Kildare but they haven't played on the top division of the Hurling League/Championship for a number of years, and in my opinion both look miles off Tipperary and Dublin (who they will have to play a a week a after the Joe McDonagh Final which in itself is totally unfair). I think Tipperary will easily beat the Joe McDonagh runner up by 20 odd points and Dublin will likely beat the Joe McDonagh winners by something similar.

Wouldn't Wexford V Tipperary and Waterford V Dublin make far more appealing Preliminary Quarter Final match ups?"
If Laois and Kildare's 2025 form is better than Wexford and Waterford, why would them playing Tipp and Dublin be less appealing than Wexford and Waterford playing them? They'll have earned the right based on 2025, not the last number of years.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8025 - 26/05/2025 11:48:15    2612687

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Replying To LimerickandProud:  "Isn't there something broken in the System where Waterford and Wexford are out of the Race for Liam McCarthy and Laois and Kildare are in.

No disrespect to Laois or Kildare but they haven't played on the top division of the Hurling League/Championship for a number of years, and in my opinion both look miles off Tipperary and Dublin (who they will have to play a a week a after the Joe McDonagh Final which in itself is totally unfair). I think Tipperary will easily beat the Joe McDonagh runner up by 20 odd points and Dublin will likely beat the Joe McDonagh winners by something similar.

Wouldn't Wexford V Tipperary and Waterford V Dublin make far more appealing Preliminary Quarter Final match ups?"
It would but it would make a total mess of the round robins. 4 from 5 qualify in Munster and 4 from 4 nearly in Leinster. I know Offaly put up a few good shows but Wexford Just need to beat them and Antrim to qualify.

Imagine if Waterford tailed off in Munster, we won't always have 5 evenish teams. 4 strong teams and no jeopardy. You wouldn't be filling stadia with that sort of a competition. The atmosphere at Cork v Limerick in Pairc Ui Caoimh was epic last year. 4 qualifiers and Cork rest a few lads for that and aim to beat a weaker Tipp the following week.

4 qualifiers would be a disaster.

Only way to improve the hurling championship is to make more teams competitive, 12 / 13 competitive teams and you could potentially have a super 8's after the provincials to decide AI semi finalists. Can't drain any more games out of 7 to 9 competitive teams unfortunately without diluting everything.

dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 374 - 26/05/2025 11:53:00    2612691

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Leave the hurling the way it is, the new format is working very well.

It's unfortunate that the 5 teams in Munster would be better than anything in Leinster bar Kilkenny at the moment. Even at that, Kilkenny wouldn't automatically qualify out of Munster as of right now imo. But they're way ahead of the pack in Leinster.

Gonzalez (Laois) - Posts: 12 - 26/05/2025 12:35:45    2612705

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Replying To Gonzalez:  "Leave the hurling the way it is, the new format is working very well.

It's unfortunate that the 5 teams in Munster would be better than anything in Leinster bar Kilkenny at the moment. Even at that, Kilkenny wouldn't automatically qualify out of Munster as of right now imo. But they're way ahead of the pack in Leinster."
That's certainly the narrative but I'm not sure that stacks up.

Limerick are ahead of everyone in terms of sustaining that level of performance.

Wexford and Galway have given Munster opposition plenty of it.

Kilkenny have beaten Clare in aisf.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3669 - 26/05/2025 12:57:31    2612713

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Replying To midlands:  "Canuck, it does look like referees have been told not to issue black cards anymore. The only recent one I can recall was against a Clare defender in the Under 20 final v Tipperary, and that looked a doubtful decision. There have been a few blatant transgressions at senior level that have gone unpunished. I thought Johnny red card, as you call him, did a decent job overall, but if he had lived up to his name he must surely have sent off the Cork defender who appeared to strike his opponent near the corner flag, but only got a yellow card. I would have no fears for the future of Waterford hurling. They continue to produce quality young players, and having finally settled on a local manager I believe they are heading in the right direction."
It was good that "Johnny red card"didn't send off the Cork defender for a strike. It was of a trivial nature, much like the Waterford strike on Shane Barrett. Red cards destroy games, and in fact, the Dublin/Galway game could easily have had 3 or 4 red cards, but the referee brandished a few yellows. The Cork/Waterford game didn't warrant red cards, the black card in hurling is rarely enforced, and Johnny refereed the game well!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 547 - 26/05/2025 13:02:05    2612716

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Replying To LimerickandProud:  "Isn't there something broken in the System where Waterford and Wexford are out of the Race for Liam McCarthy and Laois and Kildare are in.

No disrespect to Laois or Kildare but they haven't played on the top division of the Hurling League/Championship for a number of years, and in my opinion both look miles off Tipperary and Dublin (who they will have to play a a week a after the Joe McDonagh Final which in itself is totally unfair). I think Tipperary will easily beat the Joe McDonagh runner up by 20 odd points and Dublin will likely beat the Joe McDonagh winners by something similar.

Wouldn't Wexford V Tipperary and Waterford V Dublin make far more appealing Preliminary Quarter Final match ups?"
Let's be fair now Tipp would give Wexford a hiding too

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2358 - 26/05/2025 13:16:48    2612724

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Replying To Bon:  "Let's be fair now Tipp would give Wexford a hiding too"
You have absolutely no way to validate this claim.

They'd probably beat us alright but our performances against Munster opposition in championship have been decent enough over the last decade.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3669 - 26/05/2025 13:48:22    2612734

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Replying To systematic:  "You're some boyo, limerick and Dublin??? Bet you're real popular in your Wicklow school"
Oh did I hit a nerve. I have no skin in the Munster Hurling but I would prefer Limerick to win.Why does that bother you? Are you Galway? Do you get upset when other contributors dont support the teams you do? A bit childish really! Just cos I have an address in Wicklow does nt mean Im from there but maybe you not old enough to understand that.

brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 145 - 26/05/2025 13:58:28    2612747

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