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Replying To TheFlaker: "Where did I say you were saying CON was the greatest? Perhaps you should read my post again. As a footballer I would choose Clifford. And I am pointing out Clifford more often than not is carrying a forward line with little support. The same could never be said for a Dublin player in the modern era. I think CON is unreal by the way. But you said Clifford often struggles which is a daft statement." He is heading into his 7th or 8th season.
Year 1, Didnt get past a quarter final
Year 2, Was part of the Kerry team that surrendered the Five in a row to Dublin.
Year 3. Choked in Munster Semi final Vs Cork.
Year 4. Knocked out in the Semi Vs Tyrone
Year 4. Won an AI.
Year 5. Uninfluential and beaten in the final.
Year 6. Knocked out in Semis by Armagh.
The best players of all times lift all boats. You can talk of supporting casts but this isnt Browne or Ford at Tipperary or Wexford.
This is Kerry who cake walk into a quarter (at least) every year, with a squad of 5 minors in a row, all the traditional and by their own measure of success down there, a year without an All Ireland is a failure, so Clifford needs to be held to their own standard.
The trend in each of the above seasons is he and Kerry have come up short in performances at key times.
Is it a harsh measure - sure - but you are talking about calling him the single greatest player of all time.
No.
Hes a good player and a great player of this era among many.
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Replying To jimbodub: "I'd like him playing for Dublin, that's for sure.. 100%
But if he was and we Dubs called him "the greatest ever player" ad nauseam... eveytime he kicked a few good scores, we'd be rightly ridiculed and shouted at from a high that..
"He's not as good as the Gooch, Murphy, Forde, Canavan..etc etc"
My own personal shout out to the best forward player I've seen in the last 25 years, I'd go with Mattie Forde.. an outstanding natural ability, and an absolute pleasure to watch. David Clifford is no doubt right up there with the likes of the forward players mentioned above.
If you're talking about greatest ever player, for me, that should mean the greatest all round footballer, and that's certainly not David Clifford. He's very good at what he does..
But sure just as an example, a prime Paul Flynn was a better all round footballer than Clifford, he could score silky pts and goals with both feet, could play FF, across the half forward line, could drop into midfield and be on par with anyone, he could cover in the half backs, play as a sweeper in front of FB . covered every blade of grass with skill and athleticism" Wow even by your standards this is something else. Paul Flynn being considered as one of the all time great players....
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1513 - 28/02/2025 13:16:54
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Replying To TheUsername: "He is heading into his 7th or 8th season.
Year 1, Didnt get past a quarter final
Year 2, Was part of the Kerry team that surrendered the Five in a row to Dublin.
Year 3. Choked in Munster Semi final Vs Cork.
Year 4. Knocked out in the Semi Vs Tyrone
Year 4. Won an AI.
Year 5. Uninfluential and beaten in the final.
Year 6. Knocked out in Semis by Armagh.
The best players of all times lift all boats. You can talk of supporting casts but this isnt Browne or Ford at Tipperary or Wexford.
This is Kerry who cake walk into a quarter (at least) every year, with a squad of 5 minors in a row, all the traditional and by their own measure of success down there, a year without an All Ireland is a failure, so Clifford needs to be held to their own standard.
The trend in each of the above seasons is he and Kerry have come up short in performances at key times.
Is it a harsh measure - sure - but you are talking about calling him the single greatest player of all time.
No.
Hes a good player and a great player of this era among many." Where did I say he is the GOAT on this thread? I was responding to your ridiculous analysis of his performances which you continue with on here. And you have somehow managed to bring Paul Flynn into the thread for absolutely no reason.
You can pick apart performances from many great players including CON and Diarmuid Connolly over the years. But the Dubs always had a supporting cast to help these lads out. Even Kilkenny for Dublin was pretty anonymous in 2016 and 2017. Even in the 17 final he touched the ball 4-5 times in total was held scoreless and his marker contributed 3 points to the scoreboard. And that's playing for a Dublin team who didn't have to get out of 3rd gear until August. Just like Kerry.
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He is a very good footballer of this era.however there are many in a lot of counties who are very good also.in time a decision will be made on his true greatness..
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Replying To TheUsername: "He is heading into his 7th or 8th season.
Year 1, Didnt get past a quarter final
Year 2, Was part of the Kerry team that surrendered the Five in a row to Dublin.
Year 3. Choked in Munster Semi final Vs Cork.
Year 4. Knocked out in the Semi Vs Tyrone
Year 4. Won an AI.
Year 5. Uninfluential and beaten in the final.
Year 6. Knocked out in Semis by Armagh.
The best players of all times lift all boats. You can talk of supporting casts but this isnt Browne or Ford at Tipperary or Wexford.
This is Kerry who cake walk into a quarter (at least) every year, with a squad of 5 minors in a row, all the traditional and by their own measure of success down there, a year without an All Ireland is a failure, so Clifford needs to be held to their own standard.
The trend in each of the above seasons is he and Kerry have come up short in performances at key times.
Is it a harsh measure - sure - but you are talking about calling him the single greatest player of all time.
No.
Hes a good player and a great player of this era among many." Your post is utter garbage and stinks of jealousy and hypocrisy. You are either ignorant or a jealous contributor. By your standards Joe Canning was nt a great player either.Maybe if young Clifford was on the Dublin team he would be even much better.He would in your opinion for certain as you are short sighted when others get credit. Maybe our own Con would be average with Kerry.After all did nt Con miss an easy chance for us to draw with Galway last year and Con was non existent in 2023 final. As a Dublin supporter I find your posts embarrassing. One of my most memorable days was when we won the five in a row a game CLIFFORD was excellent in but you as a so called Dublin supporter now say we did nt win the five in a row but that Kerry surrendered to us.Well thank you Kerry.I thought we beat them fairly.Give credit when credit is due and have respect like contributors such as realdub and mesamis. It is the likes of contributors like you that make most counties dislike Dublin. I have been in Croke park to see Dublin win every All Ireland since 1974 and I have been there for the losses too and only once ever did the neutrals shout for Dublin and that was in 2011 v Kerry.Maybe supporters like you are the reason. Medals dont make a player better.It just means they play on a better team.Ive seen greats like our own Anton O Toole and Brian Mullins God be good to them and I would hate if they got disrespected.I dont know if young Clifford is the greatest but I have nt seen anyone better and some of the stuff he has done I never saw any other player do it. It seems to me you would find fault just because he is from Kerry.Grow up.
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Replying To brayballer: "Your post is utter garbage and stinks of jealousy and hypocrisy. You are either ignorant or a jealous contributor. By your standards Joe Canning was nt a great player either.Maybe if young Clifford was on the Dublin team he would be even much better.He would in your opinion for certain as you are short sighted when others get credit. Maybe our own Con would be average with Kerry.After all did nt Con miss an easy chance for us to draw with Galway last year and Con was non existent in 2023 final. As a Dublin supporter I find your posts embarrassing. One of my most memorable days was when we won the five in a row a game CLIFFORD was excellent in but you as a so called Dublin supporter now say we did nt win the five in a row but that Kerry surrendered to us.Well thank you Kerry.I thought we beat them fairly.Give credit when credit is due and have respect like contributors such as realdub and mesamis. It is the likes of contributors like you that make most counties dislike Dublin. I have been in Croke park to see Dublin win every All Ireland since 1974 and I have been there for the losses too and only once ever did the neutrals shout for Dublin and that was in 2011 v Kerry.Maybe supporters like you are the reason. Medals dont make a player better.It just means they play on a better team.Ive seen greats like our own Anton O Toole and Brian Mullins God be good to them and I would hate if they got disrespected.I dont know if young Clifford is the greatest but I have nt seen anyone better and some of the stuff he has done I never saw any other player do it. It seems to me you would find fault just because he is from Kerry.Grow up." You see where you fell foul here is playing the man and not the ball and then going on the attack of players from my county.
I very much won't be taking you in anyway worthwhile or meaningful.
Love that you are just a new poster, too funny! :D
Hope you lads are keeping well!
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Replying To brayballer: "Your post is utter garbage and stinks of jealousy and hypocrisy. You are either ignorant or a jealous contributor. By your standards Joe Canning was nt a great player either.Maybe if young Clifford was on the Dublin team he would be even much better.He would in your opinion for certain as you are short sighted when others get credit. Maybe our own Con would be average with Kerry.After all did nt Con miss an easy chance for us to draw with Galway last year and Con was non existent in 2023 final. As a Dublin supporter I find your posts embarrassing. One of my most memorable days was when we won the five in a row a game CLIFFORD was excellent in but you as a so called Dublin supporter now say we did nt win the five in a row but that Kerry surrendered to us.Well thank you Kerry.I thought we beat them fairly.Give credit when credit is due and have respect like contributors such as realdub and mesamis. It is the likes of contributors like you that make most counties dislike Dublin. I have been in Croke park to see Dublin win every All Ireland since 1974 and I have been there for the losses too and only once ever did the neutrals shout for Dublin and that was in 2011 v Kerry.Maybe supporters like you are the reason. Medals dont make a player better.It just means they play on a better team.Ive seen greats like our own Anton O Toole and Brian Mullins God be good to them and I would hate if they got disrespected.I dont know if young Clifford is the greatest but I have nt seen anyone better and some of the stuff he has done I never saw any other player do it. It seems to me you would find fault just because he is from Kerry.Grow up." Haha
Very good, your opinion is irrelevant and you very much dont speak for "Dubs" Mr Bray who registered this morning, to represent yourself on this urgent issue - too funny - at lest make it subtle.
I presented facts that are open to rebuttal on the game, but you've just shown yourself as a low calibre by insulting. Curious that you draw Con in. Your not the type of person i feel best reprentts Dublin or "Dubs" or i want to be associated with Dublin GAA, i suspect a yellow or gold streak, thank you.
Like you say there are supporters that give others a bad name. But then im pretty sure your not a Dub, Mr had to register this morning on this critical debate on defending David Clifford. Too Funny! ;D
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4493 - 28/02/2025 15:21:12
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Replying To brayballer: "Your post is utter garbage and stinks of jealousy and hypocrisy. You are either ignorant or a jealous contributor. By your standards Joe Canning was nt a great player either.Maybe if young Clifford was on the Dublin team he would be even much better.He would in your opinion for certain as you are short sighted when others get credit. Maybe our own Con would be average with Kerry.After all did nt Con miss an easy chance for us to draw with Galway last year and Con was non existent in 2023 final. As a Dublin supporter I find your posts embarrassing. One of my most memorable days was when we won the five in a row a game CLIFFORD was excellent in but you as a so called Dublin supporter now say we did nt win the five in a row but that Kerry surrendered to us.Well thank you Kerry.I thought we beat them fairly.Give credit when credit is due and have respect like contributors such as realdub and mesamis. It is the likes of contributors like you that make most counties dislike Dublin. I have been in Croke park to see Dublin win every All Ireland since 1974 and I have been there for the losses too and only once ever did the neutrals shout for Dublin and that was in 2011 v Kerry.Maybe supporters like you are the reason. Medals dont make a player better.It just means they play on a better team.Ive seen greats like our own Anton O Toole and Brian Mullins God be good to them and I would hate if they got disrespected.I dont know if young Clifford is the greatest but I have nt seen anyone better and some of the stuff he has done I never saw any other player do it. It seems to me you would find fault just because he is from Kerry.Grow up." Con pretty anonymous in 2021 semi also. Every player can be picked apart here and there but the Roy Curtis mark 2 seems to be analysing every game Clifford has played to try and find fault. It's a bit odd.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Where did I say he is the GOAT on this thread? I was responding to your ridiculous analysis of his performances which you continue with on here. And you have somehow managed to bring Paul Flynn into the thread for absolutely no reason.
You can pick apart performances from many great players including CON and Diarmuid Connolly over the years. But the Dubs always had a supporting cast to help these lads out. Even Kilkenny for Dublin was pretty anonymous in 2016 and 2017. Even in the 17 final he touched the ball 4-5 times in total was held scoreless and his marker contributed 3 points to the scoreboard. And that's playing for a Dublin team who didn't have to get out of 3rd gear until August. Just like Kerry." Your not even reading posts at this stage. Paul Flynn?
On a thread where the debate, is DC the GOAT, im not he is the greatest of all time - but im not saying hes not either - thanks for joining debate - to basically say nothing and make no points at all on the topic at hand.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4493 - 28/02/2025 15:32:27
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Con pretty anonymous in 2021 semi also. Every player can be picked apart here and there but the Roy Curtis mark 2 seems to be analysing every game Clifford has played to try and find fault. It's a bit odd." Worse then that - hes had bad whole years out right has Con.
But isnt that a topic for a thread for Con GOAT.
Its bizare that, some how saying Con, Kilkenny or for some reason Paul Flynn make David Clifford a better player - whats that even about! ;D
Clifford is a very good player, for sure, i dont think anyone has argued otherwise.
My words have been he's a great player of this era, amongst many others, but very far from all time and posted evdiance to support it.
Should i call someone to help you or what.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4493 - 28/02/2025 15:39:25
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Replying To TheUsername: "He is heading into his 7th or 8th season.
Year 1, Didnt get past a quarter final
Year 2, Was part of the Kerry team that surrendered the Five in a row to Dublin.
Year 3. Choked in Munster Semi final Vs Cork.
Year 4. Knocked out in the Semi Vs Tyrone
Year 4. Won an AI.
Year 5. Uninfluential and beaten in the final.
Year 6. Knocked out in Semis by Armagh.
The best players of all times lift all boats. You can talk of supporting casts but this isnt Browne or Ford at Tipperary or Wexford.
This is Kerry who cake walk into a quarter (at least) every year, with a squad of 5 minors in a row, all the traditional and by their own measure of success down there, a year without an All Ireland is a failure, so Clifford needs to be held to their own standard.
The trend in each of the above seasons is he and Kerry have come up short in performances at key times.
Is it a harsh measure - sure - but you are talking about calling him the single greatest player of all time.
No.
Hes a good player and a great player of this era among many." con callaghan
Mayo 2021
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Great lad to score big tallies against laois, wexford and offaly. Non existent in games that matters. Wont be in same classs at the Brogan brothers.
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Replying To TheUsername: "Your not even reading posts at this stage. Paul Flynn?
On a thread where the debate, is DC the GOAT, im not he is the greatest of all time - but im not saying hes not either - thanks for joining debate - to basically say nothing and make no points at all on the topic at hand." Apologies there are 2 posters from Dublin rambling against Clifford.
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Great lad to score big tallies against laois, wexford and offaly. Non existent in games that matters. Wont be in same classs at the Brogan brothers." Do you know i think that's fair, there have been big games and years - ive been very disappointed and critical of Con in his time as a Dublin Senior Footballer.
I still think he's one of the best holistic GAA players of all time, club & county both codes though.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4493 - 28/02/2025 15:51:26
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Great lad to score big tallies against laois, wexford and offaly. Non existent in games that matters. Wont be in same classs at the Brogan brothers." He's a better hurler than the Brogans though
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Very good, your opinion is irrelevant and you very much dont speak for "Dubs" Mr Bray who registered this morning, to represent yourself on this urgent issue - too funny - at lest make it subtle.
I presented facts that are open to rebuttal on the game, but you've just shown yourself as a low calibre by insulting. Curious that you draw Con in. Your not the type of person i feel best reprentts Dublin or "Dubs" or i want to be associated with Dublin GAA, i suspect a yellow or gold streak, thank you.
Like you say there are supporters that give others a bad name. But then im pretty sure your not a Dub, Mr had to register this morning on this critical debate on defending David Clifford. Too Funny! ;D" Also your opinion is irrelevant to me also but you are some person to make assumptions.If a contributor gives an opinion you dont like then they must not be from Dublin. I am from Dublin and I have played for Dublin also although I have no All Ireland medals so I did nt lift the boats either.Also I did nt register this morning but you should know that as you seem to know everything. I admire many great players even Graham Geraghty that many of my fellow Dubs despise.It seems you dont like new posters but im sure I have attended many more games than you have although that too is an assumption.
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Replying To brayballer: "Also your opinion is irrelevant to me also but you are some person to make assumptions.If a contributor gives an opinion you dont like then they must not be from Dublin. I am from Dublin and I have played for Dublin also although I have no All Ireland medals so I did nt lift the boats either.Also I did nt register this morning but you should know that as you seem to know everything. I admire many great players even Graham Geraghty that many of my fellow Dubs despise.It seems you dont like new posters but im sure I have attended many more games than you have although that too is an assumption." If you played for Dublin then im sure we know the same people and perhaps even each other and have mixed in very similar circles over the years. One thing that always strikes me with those who "lift all boats" - they are often the most humble. Perhaps some awareness and reflection on how you personally respond to others may be something you can lean into if you want to talk about the game.
As im sure you know, many contribute to the game, as players, coaches, volunteer's etc there should be no hierarchy nor should you feel compelled to post your credentials either in attending games or playing - i had a great debate with one of the volunteers out in O Tooles during the week and he never kicked a ball - so there is no need to personally attack anyone or post your CV.
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Replying To TheUsername: "If you played for Dublin then im sure we know the same people and perhaps even each other and have mixed in very similar circles over the years. One thing that always strikes me with those who "lift all boats" - they are often the most humble. Perhaps some awareness and reflection on how you personally respond to others may be something you can lean into if you want to talk about the game.
As im sure you know, many contribute to the game, as players, coaches, volunteer's etc there should be no hierarchy nor should you feel compelled to post your credentials either in attending games or playing - i had a great debate with one of the volunteers out in O Tooles during the week and he never kicked a ball - so there is no need to personally attack anyone or post your CV." Perhaps we do know the same people but I certainly did not post my c.v.. I only mentioned the fact as you questioned my person.Sometimes people dont realise who they are talking to .I was beside an ex All Ireland medal winner one day at a game when an angry supporter shouted at him that he knew nothing about football. We both just looked at each other and smiled.My c.v isnt worth posting but I did play with some players that certainly had great c.v s.Of course I have met great people who never played but have a big input in the gaa but some people can only ever see their own teams or their own players.Thats not sport.Medals dont make you a better player either.Brian Fenton aside I Think Ciaran Whelan was a better player that some that won medals playing midfield for Dublin .
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