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This board is a microcosm of Wexford GAA. So much talk about the past.
What happened, what should have happened, ifs buts and maybes.
We need to forget about 1996 because its almost 30 years ago and many of us were not born or in nappies. Even the Wexford podcast intro is the sort of podcast intro that would be created on a podcast in 1997 if they were such a thing. Talking about long balls to Billy Byrne.
We need to focus on now and ask ourselves tougher questions. Like, was there a proper analysis of the shambles of the U20 team last year? Is the work in our schools good enough? B and C grade hurling in schools exposes more players to weaker hurling and no more. We need more teams exposed to top hurling.
A club championship with no jeopardy for 5 matches is a waste of time. Happy clappy championship, give everyone a medal.
Wexford support wants to be loved but being loved is akin to being the gallant losers. We should want to be nobody's friend. The best teams nobody likes.
The hurling league is done and maybe Keith has all eyes on April and is getting everyone game time. I put no stock on a challenge match in Feb because the matches that matter are all ahead. Maybe he knows as much and wants them peaking for April, Tipp make the February mistake every year.
Judge the team on the year but from a long distance there is a lot of worrying signs.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 18/02/2025 00:43:15
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Replying To Timbertony: "Offaly also have about half the population we have. Football still reasonably strong there too. Going to need a run of strong underage teams and need to stay up in the top division. But they are a better bet to stay up and compete than Antrim (awful underage results), Westmeath or Carlow. Carlow are maximising what they have but it's not sustainable either really.
We have no excuse, 60k more living in the county than KK, 40k more than Clare, division 4 football is not exactly pulling players away from hurling, the local soccer scene is a decent level but not that strong." Population only tells you so much. A good chunk of our increase isn't Wexford people.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3412 - 18/02/2025 07:53:01
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Replying To StoreysTash: "This board is a microcosm of Wexford GAA. So much talk about the past.
What happened, what should have happened, ifs buts and maybes.
We need to forget about 1996 because its almost 30 years ago and many of us were not born or in nappies. Even the Wexford podcast intro is the sort of podcast intro that would be created on a podcast in 1997 if they were such a thing. Talking about long balls to Billy Byrne.
We need to focus on now and ask ourselves tougher questions. Like, was there a proper analysis of the shambles of the U20 team last year? Is the work in our schools good enough? B and C grade hurling in schools exposes more players to weaker hurling and no more. We need more teams exposed to top hurling.
A club championship with no jeopardy for 5 matches is a waste of time. Happy clappy championship, give everyone a medal.
Wexford support wants to be loved but being loved is akin to being the gallant losers. We should want to be nobody's friend. The best teams nobody likes.
The hurling league is done and maybe Keith has all eyes on April and is getting everyone game time. I put no stock on a challenge match in Feb because the matches that matter are all ahead. Maybe he knows as much and wants them peaking for April, Tipp make the February mistake every year.
Judge the team on the year but from a long distance there is a lot of worrying signs." I agree with everything you said but you can't do that and also forget your legacy.
We can ask all those questions and still refer to our past successes.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3412 - 18/02/2025 07:54:53
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "2019 after Chins goal for about 5 mins until the wheels fell off was the only time in my lifetime it felt like a real possibility in 22 years following, Galway and Limerick had their turns the previous 2 years and that was going to be ours. I thought that was our chance to go beat KK and put all the hammerings in the previous 15 years to bed.
Doesn't work like that unfortunately and hate bringing it up, will always hurt more than the joy winning Leinster brought." Yep, and in 2019 what did we do in that game, reverted to the wexfkrd way of old, started driving the ball long, the wexford way, the wexford tradition, sure it's our dna blah blah blah blah Remember all the talk earlier that year I the media about the "traditional" way of playing in wexford and questioning how we were playing and when push comes to shove what happened?
And what do I read here, more of it, 1996, 1798 this in the past, that in the past!!
That's rhe biggest issue with Wexford, we are so bloody busy and obsessed with looking behind us at the past we don't focus on what we have to do for the future. All this dna and way of life shtick doesn't matter a jot in the white heat of battle.
We need to be innovating, looking forwards not backwards all the time for inspiration cos that really doesn't resonate any more.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1450 - 18/02/2025 08:05:41
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Think everyone here is wishing and hoping for the best . But it is a worrying time as it's hard to see how and when we will turn the corner .
I look at the panel and see players we all know without naming names that even with their clubs are nt leaders and lack fight and intensity. But unfortunately it's what we have available to us even some of our more established veteran players lack leadeship and the fight needed to drag everyone along.
Where as there are some players who show these qualities the balance is tipped in the wrong direction.
Are some players just happy to tag along just to say they are county hurlers and think they are better than they are . They lack ambition .
U can commit all you want, attend every session be disciplined , listen, learn the game plan , do all the s&c u like , you can sleep with your hurl prepare properly , have your touch like a God.
But if you lack the fight and heart add in the inability to win your own ball and individual battles plus are not willing to put your body on the line it's all to no avail . You are doomed to fail but happy to be on the journey.
Like going to a dogfight with a poodle up against a rothwellier .
I d rather have a fiery jack Russel.
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 340 - 18/02/2025 09:42:32
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Replying To StoreysTash: "This board is a microcosm of Wexford GAA. So much talk about the past.
What happened, what should have happened, ifs buts and maybes.
We need to forget about 1996 because its almost 30 years ago and many of us were not born or in nappies. Even the Wexford podcast intro is the sort of podcast intro that would be created on a podcast in 1997 if they were such a thing. Talking about long balls to Billy Byrne.
We need to focus on now and ask ourselves tougher questions. Like, was there a proper analysis of the shambles of the U20 team last year? Is the work in our schools good enough? B and C grade hurling in schools exposes more players to weaker hurling and no more. We need more teams exposed to top hurling.
A club championship with no jeopardy for 5 matches is a waste of time. Happy clappy championship, give everyone a medal.
Wexford support wants to be loved but being loved is akin to being the gallant losers. We should want to be nobody's friend. The best teams nobody likes.
The hurling league is done and maybe Keith has all eyes on April and is getting everyone game time. I put no stock on a challenge match in Feb because the matches that matter are all ahead. Maybe he knows as much and wants them peaking for April, Tipp make the February mistake every year.
Judge the team on the year but from a long distance there is a lot of worrying signs." The u20 management was replaced. And the team is winning challenge games instead of losing them all badly like last year. Obviously too early to draw conclusions until the u20 Championship starts.
AT Senior I'd be fully in support of Keith Rossiter giving the lads who are playing in our League team the gametime they are getting. It was always going to be hard, but if they didn't play in those games then they wouldn't even know the level they need to get to, never mind get there.
Agree we need more schools hurling at PP A. At schools level we should have 4 schools hurling PP A in 2 years, that's more than Kilkenny, Limerick, Clare etc.
B is obviously the step below, but Wexford schools won both the Senior and Junior PP B titles this year. We also have more schools at B level than any other county, and some of these have got to be borderline A in the last couple of years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14978 - 18/02/2025 10:15:23
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Replying To tearintom: "Yep, and in 2019 what did we do in that game, reverted to the wexfkrd way of old, started driving the ball long, the wexford way, the wexford tradition, sure it's our dna blah blah blah blah Remember all the talk earlier that year I the media about the "traditional" way of playing in wexford and questioning how we were playing and when push comes to shove what happened?
And what do I read here, more of it, 1996, 1798 this in the past, that in the past!!
That's rhe biggest issue with Wexford, we are so bloody busy and obsessed with looking behind us at the past we don't focus on what we have to do for the future. All this dna and way of life shtick doesn't matter a jot in the white heat of battle.
We need to be innovating, looking forwards not backwards all the time for inspiration cos that really doesn't resonate any more." We are innovating. We are making changes at underage at club and county level. We have been the last 2 or 3 years. Obviously changes at u12 or u14 level made in the last couple of years aren't going to affect our Senior team until around 10 years after those changes though.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14978 - 18/02/2025 10:18:08
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Replying To StoreysTash: "This board is a microcosm of Wexford GAA. So much talk about the past.
What happened, what should have happened, ifs buts and maybes.
We need to forget about 1996 because its almost 30 years ago and many of us were not born or in nappies. Even the Wexford podcast intro is the sort of podcast intro that would be created on a podcast in 1997 if they were such a thing. Talking about long balls to Billy Byrne.
We need to focus on now and ask ourselves tougher questions. Like, was there a proper analysis of the shambles of the U20 team last year? Is the work in our schools good enough? B and C grade hurling in schools exposes more players to weaker hurling and no more. We need more teams exposed to top hurling.
A club championship with no jeopardy for 5 matches is a waste of time. Happy clappy championship, give everyone a medal.
Wexford support wants to be loved but being loved is akin to being the gallant losers. We should want to be nobody's friend. The best teams nobody likes.
The hurling league is done and maybe Keith has all eyes on April and is getting everyone game time. I put no stock on a challenge match in Feb because the matches that matter are all ahead. Maybe he knows as much and wants them peaking for April, Tipp make the February mistake every year.
Judge the team on the year but from a long distance there is a lot of worrying signs." As regards the Board being a microcosm of Wexford GAA isn't it supposed to be just that? If it wasn't it wouldn't be representative of us at all.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14978 - 18/02/2025 10:20:46
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Replying To Formertownie: "Think everyone here is wishing and hoping for the best . But it is a worrying time as it's hard to see how and when we will turn the corner .
I look at the panel and see players we all know without naming names that even with their clubs are nt leaders and lack fight and intensity. But unfortunately it's what we have available to us even some of our more established veteran players lack leadeship and the fight needed to drag everyone along.
Where as there are some players who show these qualities the balance is tipped in the wrong direction.
Are some players just happy to tag along just to say they are county hurlers and think they are better than they are . They lack ambition .
U can commit all you want, attend every session be disciplined , listen, learn the game plan , do all the s&c u like , you can sleep with your hurl prepare properly , have your touch like a God.
But if you lack the fight and heart add in the inability to win your own ball and individual battles plus are not willing to put your body on the line it's all to no avail . You are doomed to fail but happy to be on the journey.
Like going to a dogfight with a poodle up against a rothwellier .
I d rather have a fiery jack Russel." I agree with this.
Brian Cody always picked the dog first, someone who wouldn't give up in the white heat of battle in Croke Park.
He picked lads from junior clubs like Derek Lyng and Taggy Fogarty who would go through a brick wall for you.
Limerick pick the dogs of war too like Gearoid Hegarty from junior b hurling club and these guys refuse to accept defeat or cave in when the tough gets going.
You need a lot of things to be a good inter county hurler but work rate for 75mins and an appetite to win the 60/40 ball against you are non negotiables.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 867 - 18/02/2025 10:40:50
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Replying To StoreysTash: "This board is a microcosm of Wexford GAA. So much talk about the past.
What happened, what should have happened, ifs buts and maybes.
We need to forget about 1996 because its almost 30 years ago and many of us were not born or in nappies. Even the Wexford podcast intro is the sort of podcast intro that would be created on a podcast in 1997 if they were such a thing. Talking about long balls to Billy Byrne.
We need to focus on now and ask ourselves tougher questions. Like, was there a proper analysis of the shambles of the U20 team last year? Is the work in our schools good enough? B and C grade hurling in schools exposes more players to weaker hurling and no more. We need more teams exposed to top hurling.
A club championship with no jeopardy for 5 matches is a waste of time. Happy clappy championship, give everyone a medal.
Wexford support wants to be loved but being loved is akin to being the gallant losers. We should want to be nobody's friend. The best teams nobody likes.
The hurling league is done and maybe Keith has all eyes on April and is getting everyone game time. I put no stock on a challenge match in Feb because the matches that matter are all ahead. Maybe he knows as much and wants them peaking for April, Tipp make the February mistake every year.
Judge the team on the year but from a long distance there is a lot of worrying signs." As much as some of us may not like it every time our senior team has a big win or starts building even the smallest bit of momentum it's automatically what they are compared to is the 96 team by media and the rest of the country and it's probably always going to remain that way.
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 203 - 18/02/2025 10:51:14
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Replying To tearintom: "Yep, and in 2019 what did we do in that game, reverted to the wexfkrd way of old, started driving the ball long, the wexford way, the wexford tradition, sure it's our dna blah blah blah blah Remember all the talk earlier that year I the media about the "traditional" way of playing in wexford and questioning how we were playing and when push comes to shove what happened?
And what do I read here, more of it, 1996, 1798 this in the past, that in the past!!
That's rhe biggest issue with Wexford, we are so bloody busy and obsessed with looking behind us at the past we don't focus on what we have to do for the future. All this dna and way of life shtick doesn't matter a jot in the white heat of battle.
We need to be innovating, looking forwards not backwards all the time for inspiration cos that really doesn't resonate any more." Again, you have to do both.
Where we are right now is a compound of all the decisions you made in the past.
Some of those will be good ones so you should repeat them in the future.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3412 - 18/02/2025 11:24:11
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Replying To Timbertony: "Offaly also have about half the population we have. Football still reasonably strong there too. Going to need a run of strong underage teams and need to stay up in the top division. But they are a better bet to stay up and compete than Antrim (awful underage results), Westmeath or Carlow. Carlow are maximising what they have but it's not sustainable either really.
We have no excuse, 60k more living in the county than KK, 40k more than Clare, division 4 football is not exactly pulling players away from hurling, the local soccer scene is a decent level but not that strong." Yeah, agree there, don't think doom and gloom is completely justified as it's not as if Dublin, KK, and Galway are consistently producing better under-age teams than us (Not that they should necessarily be the benchmark though) but you feel at the same time that we're leaving a lot of meat on the bone (Limerick has a bigger population but they probably under-achieved for a long time as well)
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 395 - 18/02/2025 11:38:53
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Replying To StoreysTash: "This board is a microcosm of Wexford GAA. So much talk about the past.
What happened, what should have happened, ifs buts and maybes.
We need to forget about 1996 because its almost 30 years ago and many of us were not born or in nappies. Even the Wexford podcast intro is the sort of podcast intro that would be created on a podcast in 1997 if they were such a thing. Talking about long balls to Billy Byrne.
We need to focus on now and ask ourselves tougher questions. Like, was there a proper analysis of the shambles of the U20 team last year? Is the work in our schools good enough? B and C grade hurling in schools exposes more players to weaker hurling and no more. We need more teams exposed to top hurling.
A club championship with no jeopardy for 5 matches is a waste of time. Happy clappy championship, give everyone a medal.
Wexford support wants to be loved but being loved is akin to being the gallant losers. We should want to be nobody's friend. The best teams nobody likes.
The hurling league is done and maybe Keith has all eyes on April and is getting everyone game time. I put no stock on a challenge match in Feb because the matches that matter are all ahead. Maybe he knows as much and wants them peaking for April, Tipp make the February mistake every year.
Judge the team on the year but from a long distance there is a lot of worrying signs." I don't really believe that the powers-that-be aren't asking themselves these questions, it's just that people don't seem to realise that (a) asking questions leads to multiple possible answers, some of which might be right and most of which might be wrong, it takes time to establish the correct route to take (And going down the wrong route is worse than not committing to any route at all) and (b) even when a plan is implemented, it still needs to be implemented effectively (And it also takes time to implement such plans especially if you're starting from a low enough position)
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 395 - 18/02/2025 11:50:39
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I know championship will ultimately determine our success or failure but Sundays game will give us an indication of what's in the team and where our season is heading . Effort intensity and team work all kacking at present.
For their sake they need to start giving us something to believe in .
The negativity at present and I m as guilty as anyone does not help anyone .
I m just looking for a glimmer of hope , pride and willingness to put in the hard work on the field not just in the preparation for it .
Time to stand up and if ever there were places up for grabs on the team now is the time . It just depends on who wants it more or at all.
Let the players give Rossi and management team the respect and effort dont go hiding in plain sight .
Time to stand up.now
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 340 - 18/02/2025 13:55:44
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Yeah, agree there, don't think doom and gloom is completely justified as it's not as if Dublin, KK, and Galway are consistently producing better under-age teams than us (Not that they should necessarily be the benchmark though) but you feel at the same time that we're leaving a lot of meat on the bone (Limerick has a bigger population but they probably under-achieved for a long time as well)" Limerick did underachieve for a long time, they won three u21 AI titles in the 00s with players that delivered very little at senior for various reasons and ended up with players going on strike etc. But they focused on the city and schools where rugby was strong. That wasn't an easy battle either with junior soccer traditionally very strong and Munster rugby etc. But the middle class embraced hurling (Na Piarsaigh et al), same with the likes of Cuala and Na Fianna in Dublin.
All of this is achievable in Wexford too. Hard to see it at the moment, we really need an u20 title this year or an AI final appearance. Just to give a shot of self belief into the thing.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 367 - 18/02/2025 17:56:18
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My post yesterday morning was not meant to poo poo the achievements of the past. It was only meant to highlight that these happened so long ago that they should not be still discussed ad nauseum.
On the u20, I was not referring to the manager being removed. I meant was a proper analysis, from both sides, carried out? What did management think went wrong? What did players think went wrong? What do the stats say regarding fitness levels, S&C, etc? Did the players give their best or was it all for the free gear?
Its not about scapegoating or finding the sacrificial lamb, its about how we can avoid the same fiasco happening in another team. No doubt there were wrongs on both sides but we as a county cannot just keep blaming managers.
Did the same happen after the Westmeath loss season?
We need every school aiming to play Leinster A hurling and definitely those with a cohort of numbers. If they can't then amalgamate them and get the best of them to. The remainder can fight for a B or C grade comp.
"You need a lot of things to be a good inter county hurler but work rate for 75mins and an appetite to win the 60/40 ball against you are non negotiables." This has to be a mantra for every player from senior inter county to Junior D. Because will to win and battle for a ball need to be non-negotiable.
There are lots of good people involved with Wexford GAA, doing their best. But do we have the BEST people in every paid position?
I was guilty of a drink fuelled call to arms before that Kilkenny game urging the need for support in Wexford Park, I think Wexford need to stop playing off the emotions of what and who has gone before. "We are Wexford" is all well and good but we need to start writing a modern fairy tale, not relying on a dusty old memoir and eulogising the past.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 18/02/2025 21:26:25
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Replying To StoreysTash: "My post yesterday morning was not meant to poo poo the achievements of the past. It was only meant to highlight that these happened so long ago that they should not be still discussed ad nauseum.
On the u20, I was not referring to the manager being removed. I meant was a proper analysis, from both sides, carried out? What did management think went wrong? What did players think went wrong? What do the stats say regarding fitness levels, S&C, etc? Did the players give their best or was it all for the free gear?
Its not about scapegoating or finding the sacrificial lamb, its about how we can avoid the same fiasco happening in another team. No doubt there were wrongs on both sides but we as a county cannot just keep blaming managers.
Did the same happen after the Westmeath loss season?
We need every school aiming to play Leinster A hurling and definitely those with a cohort of numbers. If they can't then amalgamate them and get the best of them to. The remainder can fight for a B or C grade comp.
"You need a lot of things to be a good inter county hurler but work rate for 75mins and an appetite to win the 60/40 ball against you are non negotiables." This has to be a mantra for every player from senior inter county to Junior D. Because will to win and battle for a ball need to be non-negotiable.
There are lots of good people involved with Wexford GAA, doing their best. But do we have the BEST people in every paid position?
I was guilty of a drink fuelled call to arms before that Kilkenny game urging the need for support in Wexford Park, I think Wexford need to stop playing off the emotions of what and who has gone before. "We are Wexford" is all well and good but we need to start writing a modern fairy tale, not relying on a dusty old memoir and eulogising the past." An interesting choice of username to share that view.
I hope you know we actually agree on that? What do I mean when I say we are Wexford? I mean we're a fighting people who's reputation is built on defying the odds. We're at our best when we're aggressive and the shackles are off. Every analyst knows how dangerous Wexford are with an enthusiastic crowd.
Aside from that there's a socio economic psychology to that view of one's self.
Kilkenny are aristocratic, in hurling and in history.
Dublin are the pale. They were then and are now.
Cork are similar enough to us but with far greater confidence.
Whether people are aware of it or not doesn't matter. It is reality.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "An interesting choice of username to share that view.
I hope you know we actually agree on that? What do I mean when I say we are Wexford? I mean we're a fighting people who's reputation is built on defying the odds. We're at our best when we're aggressive and the shackles are off. Every analyst knows how dangerous Wexford are with an enthusiastic crowd.
Aside from that there's a socio economic psychology to that view of one's self.
Kilkenny are aristocratic, in hurling and in history.
Dublin are the pale. They were then and are now.
Cork are similar enough to us but with far greater confidence.
Whether people are aware of it or not doesn't matter. It is reality." What a load of absolute rubbish
Young lads playing hurling today wouldn't buy into all that historic nonsense
There's a big difference between lads hurling now with their heads stuck in social media and lads in the 90s who bought into griffins mindset
We are simply not good enough at hurling full stop
The co board are acting the maggot with the club championship taking the cut out of it and turning it into go games
I attended hurling championship games at different levels last year and it was mostly pathetic stuff
The argument that clubs done better in Leinster championship is weak
Martins only barely got over nass
Rathnure would have went well regardless of type of club championship as they hurling club only and would have got plenty of good challenge games outside county
Liam mellows beat nobodies on way to Leinster final
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Replying To Spidey1: "What a load of absolute rubbish
Young lads playing hurling today wouldn't buy into all that historic nonsense
There's a big difference between lads hurling now with their heads stuck in social media and lads in the 90s who bought into griffins mindset
We are simply not good enough at hurling full stop
The co board are acting the maggot with the club championship taking the cut out of it and turning it into go games
I attended hurling championship games at different levels last year and it was mostly pathetic stuff
The argument that clubs done better in Leinster championship is weak
Martins only barely got over nass
Rathnure would have went well regardless of type of club championship as they hurling club only and would have got plenty of good challenge games outside county
Liam mellows beat nobodies on way to Leinster final" One thing the hurling committee could have done to increase interest and intensity was to bring in double relegation and double promotion
Top 4 in group play q finals 5 v 6 in opposing group relegation finals
I know clubs wouldn't vote for it but it would make some difference
And return to hurling first football 2nd
Could possibly alternate following year to be fair
Every club guaranteed 6 tough games
At underage get rid of shield competition after u16
It's embarrassing for a club to win a shield at u21 and not much to celebrate at minor
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Replying To Spidey1: "One thing the hurling committee could have done to increase interest and intensity was to bring in double relegation and double promotion
Top 4 in group play q finals 5 v 6 in opposing group relegation finals
I know clubs wouldn't vote for it but it would make some difference
And return to hurling first football 2nd
Could possibly alternate following year to be fair
Every club guaranteed 6 tough games
At underage get rid of shield competition after u16
It's embarrassing for a club to win a shield at u21 and not much to celebrate at minor" Thats the most sense I've ever seen on this page.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 779 - 19/02/2025 12:53:01
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