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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I see performance as follows….
Every team has a ceiling and a floor; these can be raised by improving technical skills, by improving S&C, and by improving tactically
The team will perform at some level between their ceiling and their floor; these level they play at will be determined by the intensity at which they play
Intensity itself can be driven by culture; you see this best in Kilkenny where every hurling game seems like a matter of life and death
Of course, culture also impacts the heights of the floor and the ceiling; the better the culture, the more players are driven, the harder they train, and the more they develop technically, physically, tactically, and mentally
Culture is very important and each county has its own tradition. I don't see why we should forget who we are; most Wexford people are descendants of other Wexfordians from 100, 200, 300, 400 years ago etc. I don't think we should bang on about 1798 or 1996 (I don't know how many people actually bang on about them, I'd say more people create a strawman of people banging on about them than there are people actually banging on about them) and we should primarily focus on developing young hurlers with no reference to our tradition/culture/history. Our tradition/culture/history should be used here and there, it shouldn't be used the whole time" This is how I see it too.
Number 1 above everything else you need to produce the player, and the player needs to play the game like his life depends on it and go to every ball like it does. And I believe that is how Kilkenny and the Munster counties play the game across the board and its why they are winning and we are not.
Nothing will create culture and pride like winning. Win an All-Ireland and you would walk around head high until the following year. Instead in Wexford, we walk with our tails between our legs and remember 1996 and 1798 while Gizzy and Liam take the microphone to talk about hurling to anyone who will listen.
I don't mean to come across as flippant but its the way it is.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1878 - 18/06/2025 12:53:36
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Were the Minor coaching set-up the same as the U16 coaching set-up last year?" No. Martin Doyle was with the u15s last year. He was lead coach for the minors this year. Richie Flynn wasn't involved with any development squad last year AFAIK. Neither were any of the rest of the minor backroom team.
Think 6 or 7 lads who are minor again next year made match day 24s this year, 5 or 6 maybe started games. A good few of last years u16s didn't make the minor hurling panel this year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16372 - 18/06/2025 15:12:00
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I have far from lost connection with where I come from, I see every Wexford match I can (often the next day if its a 4-5pm throw in) and still am in touch with many of my own clubmates and will more than likely be back playing club hurling next year as I am most likely moving home some time next year although where and when is not certain. I also hope to see our club championship on Clubber and paid for my own club matches in recent years.
I know various people who played in probably the last 10 intermediate finals and never remember Rosslare playing in them but I will fact check this.
Their population is surely no smaller than Crossabeg or any other rural club.
Its all well and good to ask somebody to talk but hurling is a game of action, not talking. Its all well and good to say a club in Roscommon should have a hurling team and its not unreasonable to say "how good are your own club"? How good have Rosslare been in any of the nearly 30 years since he lead Wexford to an All-Ireland glory? I never remember playing them at underage.
To me, it borders on the after dinner circus to just keep talking, talking, talking.
And I don't mean this as any form of anti-Liam-Griffin point scoring, the man is a living legend for a 2-3 generations of Wexford people lucky to have experienced 1996.
I just think Wexford GAA has lots of talkers but is lacking in doers." Rosslare mightve done alot better had the Guineys not "moved" to Rathnure. A bit more success back then might have led onto more success now.
I don't remember them ever being in an Intermediate final.
As regards population they are growing fast.
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Replying To Viking66: "Rosslare mightve done alot better had the Guineys not "moved" to Rathnure. A bit more success back then might have led onto more success now.
I don't remember them ever being in an Intermediate final.
As regards population they are growing fast." Have it in my head they lost an Intermediate Final to Ballyfad in 2003
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 578 - 18/06/2025 16:01:05
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Replying To Viking66: "No. Martin Doyle was with the u15s last year. He was lead coach for the minors this year. Richie Flynn wasn't involved with any development squad last year AFAIK. Neither were any of the rest of the minor backroom team.
Think 6 or 7 lads who are minor again next year made match day 24s this year, 5 or 6 maybe started games. A good few of last years u16s didn't make the minor hurling panel this year." For me, this is an issue
If you have a team that has a good task record at U14/U15/U16, then the coaching staff for that side should be the coaching staff for the Minors
If it ain't broke, don't fix it
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 578 - 18/06/2025 16:02:06
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "For me, this is an issue
If you have a team that has a good task record at U14/U15/U16, then the coaching staff for that side should be the coaching staff for the Minors
If it ain't broke, don't fix it" Yes and no. It's very different at minor. Starts beginning of December, goes 3 times a week. U16 is once a week on a pitch. At the same time I'm sure the lads over the u16s last year could've applied for minor this year, not sure if they did, or even if they wanted the job.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16372 - 18/06/2025 17:01:24
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Have it in my head they lost an Intermediate Final to Ballyfad in 2003" Just looked it up and they did. You have a better memory than I do!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16372 - 18/06/2025 17:08:54
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "For me, this is an issue
If you have a team that has a good task record at U14/U15/U16, then the coaching staff for that side should be the coaching staff for the Minors
If it ain't broke, don't fix it" Couple of things:
Number 1, the coaches might not want to commit or might not be available for up to five years, to oversee the same set of players from U14 up to U18.
Number 2, a coach might be particularly good with lads of a certain age - e.g. the needs of a 14-year-old as regards player development are different to the needs of a 17 or 18-year-old.
Not quite the same thing, but for instance, we have one person in our club who's absolutely brilliant with younger players, teaching them the skills of the games at Go Games level and introducing them to competitive play at U12. He'd be nowhere near as good with U16s or Minors. And we have other people with the older groups who'd be completely unsuited to Go Games ages.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2962 - 18/06/2025 17:09:36
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Replying To Doylerwex: "It's less than 10% of the population of Wexford town and a large number of those would be blow ins.
Personally I think there are too many clubs down that way for the size of the parishes" That area has seen a huge increase in numbers. The last stats 2022 would have the Harbour and Strand at 4k and I don't think that included Kilrane and Tagoat.
However if you can come up with more accurate numbers to show its tiny that's fine.
Blowins - what has that got to do with it? I think k at times you live on another planet where Hurling was invented by the gods for Wexford people. We have never been a Hurling stronghold and until the late 40s and 50s we more likely would have been seen as a Football county.
What you miss is that we are in competition for kids and the product that we offer to them and their parents will be the key to our success. Going on about Cromwell, Fr Murphy etc is the exact opposite of what we need. Relying on the traditional GAA families has not and will not work. A lot of places in Wexford are suffering because the traffic is young people to Dublin and the surrounding area and retirees down to Wexford. Someone was telling me recently from the Shels that Curracloe school could have lost its third teacher were it not for the Ukrainians that go to the school. Talking about rebels and 1798 smells a bit like Nero playing fiddle.
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Replying To zinny: "That area has seen a huge increase in numbers. The last stats 2022 would have the Harbour and Strand at 4k and I don't think that included Kilrane and Tagoat.
However if you can come up with more accurate numbers to show its tiny that's fine.
Blowins - what has that got to do with it? I think k at times you live on another planet where Hurling was invented by the gods for Wexford people. We have never been a Hurling stronghold and until the late 40s and 50s we more likely would have been seen as a Football county.
What you miss is that we are in competition for kids and the product that we offer to them and their parents will be the key to our success. Going on about Cromwell, Fr Murphy etc is the exact opposite of what we need. Relying on the traditional GAA families has not and will not work. A lot of places in Wexford are suffering because the traffic is young people to Dublin and the surrounding area and retirees down to Wexford. Someone was telling me recently from the Shels that Curracloe school could have lost its third teacher were it not for the Ukrainians that go to the school. Talking about rebels and 1798 smells a bit like Nero playing fiddle." You're correct. It was just over 4k in 22 for the municipal district.
Did you read the demographics?
The majority of the population are over 40.
The blow ins remark was poorly phrased. Do you know what proportion of the population are retirees?
I do know our football history. My 3x great uncle played in the goal in 5 consecutive all Ireland football finals, winning 4 of them.
Define stronghold. How many Leinster hurling finals have we been in since 1950 ?
We're not Kilkenny, Tipp or Cork, but we're an extremely important part of our national game.
People seem to be suggesting that my argument is to stop training, disregard food, sleep, hydration, skill work, athletic development and just sing Rebel songs. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the psychology of who we are is important in giving us an edge. You still have to do all the other stuff to get to 90%. I'm saying our fighting underdog culture is the next 10.
Every successful team we've ever had has understood this. There's no point in trying to convince me otherwise because it's just not up for discussion. You'd be unequivocally wrong.
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So Rosslare recent final was over 20 years ago and senior was 16 teams. And zilch since. This accusation could be thrown at a lot of clubs in Wexford who coast along in an endless cycle of mediocrity and happy clappy.
We need to produce better hurlers and who can deliver under the toughest of pressure and no amount of devotion to Fr. Murphy is going to help with that. What will help is more hurling and more hurling against top teams.
I'm don't subscribe that Wexford is for retirees and Dublin is for young people, I see some of my friends now moving back and none of them are moving to Dublin. Some are working remotely and doing a commute 1-2 days max and housing is why they are moving back to Wexford and not Dublin. Its just as expensive to buy houses in Australia and people are moving back.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1878 - 18/06/2025 23:49:47
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Replying To Doylerwex: "You're correct. It was just over 4k in 22 for the municipal district.
Did you read the demographics?
The majority of the population are over 40.
The blow ins remark was poorly phrased. Do you know what proportion of the population are retirees?
I do know our football history. My 3x great uncle played in the goal in 5 consecutive all Ireland football finals, winning 4 of them.
Define stronghold. How many Leinster hurling finals have we been in since 1950 ?
We're not Kilkenny, Tipp or Cork, but we're an extremely important part of our national game.
People seem to be suggesting that my argument is to stop training, disregard food, sleep, hydration, skill work, athletic development and just sing Rebel songs. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the psychology of who we are is important in giving us an edge. You still have to do all the other stuff to get to 90%. I'm saying our fighting underdog culture is the next 10.
Every successful team we've ever had has understood this. There's no point in trying to convince me otherwise because it's just not up for discussion. You'd be unequivocally wrong." You are 100% right about the mental side, and it being a big problem for us since Moses was a pup.
You can't go to the well if there isn't one.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16372 - 19/06/2025 06:49:50
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Replying To Doylerwex: "You're correct. It was just over 4k in 22 for the municipal district.
Did you read the demographics?
The majority of the population are over 40.
The blow ins remark was poorly phrased. Do you know what proportion of the population are retirees?
I do know our football history. My 3x great uncle played in the goal in 5 consecutive all Ireland football finals, winning 4 of them.
Define stronghold. How many Leinster hurling finals have we been in since 1950 ?
We're not Kilkenny, Tipp or Cork, but we're an extremely important part of our national game.
People seem to be suggesting that my argument is to stop training, disregard food, sleep, hydration, skill work, athletic development and just sing Rebel songs. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the psychology of who we are is important in giving us an edge. You still have to do all the other stuff to get to 90%. I'm saying our fighting underdog culture is the next 10.
Every successful team we've ever had has understood this. There's no point in trying to convince me otherwise because it's just not up for discussion. You'd be unequivocally wrong." We haven't had a successful team for nearly 30 years. Yes, they believed in it, but it obviously hasn't worked since.
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Some interesting comments coming up about engaging new comers/non-GAA families something we and the GAA as a whole need to become much better at. Its a big challenge but especially for hurling where I think the consensus is that the difference between good and excellent is what work lads to at home and the encouragement they receive. Anecdotally I believe many Dublin clubs are good at integrating non GAA playing parents - I know for some at least the majority of their underage coaches would not necessarily have played the games and this hasn't stopped Na Fianna or Cuala from winning club all Irelands. They must though have supports in place to upskill and support these coaches and must work hard to make sure they are not closed shops but instead welcome people with open arms - doubt they are doing this perfectly either. Soccer has a huge advantage when it comes to children whose parents grew up outside of Ireland, they know these games and its easier to do the basics and less physical (many kids just don't like the idea of getting a clip of a hurl).
In the show 'Succession' the patriarch of the family, Logan Roy, says to his dysfunctional adult children "I love you, but you are not serious people" - is this Wexford? We love it but its just not serious? PJ MacManus speaking the aftermath of Limerick's winning the All Ireland said "...the difference between being involved and being committed is like when you have bacon and eggs for breakfast - the hen was involved, but the pig was committed!" are too many of us hens? Des Mythen in the most recent 'Wexford hurling podcast' spoke of lads just happy to be on the team/panel but not determined to be all they could be, not to put in the work required to step up, just doing enough to get the polo shirt and swan around - maybe harsh but Des must feel there is validity. I've said it before but I suspect there is an issue in our collective psyche, are we too happy to be there, happy to be everyone's second team, jovial and colorful when maybe success demands a dour seriousness? We all love cheeky chappies like Larry O'Gorman but have the demands of intercounty made this a thing of the past and if we hang on, we will be stuck there?
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Replying To StoreysTash: "So Rosslare recent final was over 20 years ago and senior was 16 teams. And zilch since. This accusation could be thrown at a lot of clubs in Wexford who coast along in an endless cycle of mediocrity and happy clappy.
We need to produce better hurlers and who can deliver under the toughest of pressure and no amount of devotion to Fr. Murphy is going to help with that. What will help is more hurling and more hurling against top teams.
I'm don't subscribe that Wexford is for retirees and Dublin is for young people, I see some of my friends now moving back and none of them are moving to Dublin. Some are working remotely and doing a commute 1-2 days max and housing is why they are moving back to Wexford and not Dublin. Its just as expensive to buy houses in Australia and people are moving back." In fairness, I think it was fairly clear that the other poster was referring specifically to the Rosslare area and not County Wexford as a whole when he mentioned retirees. And it genuinely is the case that a large proportion of the population increase there has been older people, who don't have children of an age likely to become involved in GAA.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2962 - 19/06/2025 13:23:45
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Replying To wexford2012: "Some interesting comments coming up about engaging new comers/non-GAA families something we and the GAA as a whole need to become much better at. Its a big challenge but especially for hurling where I think the consensus is that the difference between good and excellent is what work lads to at home and the encouragement they receive. Anecdotally I believe many Dublin clubs are good at integrating non GAA playing parents - I know for some at least the majority of their underage coaches would not necessarily have played the games and this hasn't stopped Na Fianna or Cuala from winning club all Irelands. They must though have supports in place to upskill and support these coaches and must work hard to make sure they are not closed shops but instead welcome people with open arms - doubt they are doing this perfectly either. Soccer has a huge advantage when it comes to children whose parents grew up outside of Ireland, they know these games and its easier to do the basics and less physical (many kids just don't like the idea of getting a clip of a hurl).
In the show 'Succession' the patriarch of the family, Logan Roy, says to his dysfunctional adult children "I love you, but you are not serious people" - is this Wexford? We love it but its just not serious? PJ MacManus speaking the aftermath of Limerick's winning the All Ireland said "...the difference between being involved and being committed is like when you have bacon and eggs for breakfast - the hen was involved, but the pig was committed!" are too many of us hens? Des Mythen in the most recent 'Wexford hurling podcast' spoke of lads just happy to be on the team/panel but not determined to be all they could be, not to put in the work required to step up, just doing enough to get the polo shirt and swan around - maybe harsh but Des must feel there is validity. I've said it before but I suspect there is an issue in our collective psyche, are we too happy to be there, happy to be everyone's second team, jovial and colorful when maybe success demands a dour seriousness? We all love cheeky chappies like Larry O'Gorman but have the demands of intercounty made this a thing of the past and if we hang on, we will be stuck there?" Wasn't too impressed with some of Des' comments tbh. Smacked a bit of throwing lads under the bus. Even if he's right that's surely something to keep in the group.
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The population of Wexford has been increasing but not at an astronomical rate and your get the sense that if there has been an astronomical increase, it has been right at the very north of the county
Was told recently that the James', Fethard, and Clongeen all amalgamated together at U16 because they barely had a team between them and they've been getting beaten in one of the lowest divisions
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 578 - 19/06/2025 14:22:54
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Replying To Doylerwex: "You're correct. It was just over 4k in 22 for the municipal district.
Did you read the demographics?
The majority of the population are over 40.
The blow ins remark was poorly phrased. Do you know what proportion of the population are retirees?
I do know our football history. My 3x great uncle played in the goal in 5 consecutive all Ireland football finals, winning 4 of them.
Define stronghold. How many Leinster hurling finals have we been in since 1950 ?
We're not Kilkenny, Tipp or Cork, but we're an extremely important part of our national game.
People seem to be suggesting that my argument is to stop training, disregard food, sleep, hydration, skill work, athletic development and just sing Rebel songs. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the psychology of who we are is important in giving us an edge. You still have to do all the other stuff to get to 90%. I'm saying our fighting underdog culture is the next 10.
Every successful team we've ever had has understood this. There's no point in trying to convince me otherwise because it's just not up for discussion. You'd be unequivocally wrong." There is a thing called Themeing that is used by a lot of professional sports teams as a part of their psychology training. Ronan O Gara talks about it a lot. Using stories like Ernest Shackelton or the Apollo moon landing. Obviously they still do their skills and S&C training but it's another edge they are using to get the best out of themselves
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "The population of Wexford has been increasing but not at an astronomical rate and your get the sense that if there has been an astronomical increase, it has been right at the very north of the county
Was told recently that the James', Fethard, and Clongeen all amalgamated together at U16 because they barely had a team between them and they've been getting beaten in one of the lowest divisions" That's at u14. They have had some heavy beatings ok. Fethard and Clongeen have been amalgamated at underage a few years now. From talking to a Fethard parent that's not ideal, Fethard have lost most of their players at his sons age group because parents didn't want to be driving to Clongeen every week or 2 all spring/summer/autumn.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16372 - 19/06/2025 15:13:13
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "The population of Wexford has been increasing but not at an astronomical rate and your get the sense that if there has been an astronomical increase, it has been right at the very north of the county
Was told recently that the James', Fethard, and Clongeen all amalgamated together at U16 because they barely had a team between them and they've been getting beaten in one of the lowest divisions" Those three are actually amalgamated at U14 rather than U16, as JFC Gaels, and it's very concerning all right that three clubs have to come together to field a team at that age.
They're in Div. 3 Football and Div. 4 Hurling. They've lost all football matches heavily, and won one but lost three in hurling. For context, U14 goes down to Div. 6 in both codes.
At U16, there's a different amalgamation - Cluain Banú Mogues - Clongeen, Bannow-Ballymitty, and Fethard. Again, concerning that three clubs have to come together.
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