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Replying To Doylerwex: "I will repeat what I said before.
I really think we need both.
You could argue that the team of 88, 91 or 93 were technically better than 96. The only thing Griffin changed was mentality.
Gizzy was an exceptional hurler. But he got the best out of himself in an era where we were way off the pace. Again, he did that through the attitude of being connected to our past.
We need to include this as well as the technical stuff to be at our best.
There's plenty of evidence for this." NO, Gizzy done that by training hard.
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Replying To Tiger1: "With underage its hard to gauge like look at young mullen for Kilkenny never struck a ball the other night but was their best player all year so thats just the way it is with young lads so our lads could be better as they get older." Absolutely. Mullen was very poor. Can happen to any 16 year old. Great prospect still though. Bear in mind last year we played that Waterford team in the u16a final.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16371 - 17/06/2025 11:52:07
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I will repeat what I said before.
I really think we need both.
You could argue that the team of 88, 91 or 93 were technically better than 96. The only thing Griffin changed was mentality.
Gizzy was an exceptional hurler. But he got the best out of himself in an era where we were way off the pace. Again, he did that through the attitude of being connected to our past.
We need to include this as well as the technical stuff to be at our best.
There's plenty of evidence for this." Gizzy was an exceptional freetaker. Not sure I'd go as far as say he was an exceptional intercounty hurler though. He was very good ok.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16371 - 17/06/2025 12:00:13
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I will never agree I'm afraid.
Of course you need all of those things for any sport, but hurling is far more than sport.
You need the collective identity and will of the whole county.
That's how individuals will get the best out of themselves.
Hurling and conditioning are prerequisite. The culture is the extra bit.
You need both of them." Where was this interview?
If Wexford have coaches like Gizzy and Liam eulogising the past from 200+ years ago then no wonder we are where we are.
In Kilkenny, Cork or Tipp a coach is talking about the proud hurling history of the county and 20+ All-Irelands their forefathers won and the tradition it is up to them to carry on by continuing to carry on that winning.
Wexford, we're talking about pikemen and Fr. Murphy and 1996 when players of now might not recognise Martin Storey. Would a 10-15 year old in 1996 have recognised Dan Quigley? (I had to look it up who it was which might be the answer)
With all due respect, there's a cohort in Wexford GAA stuck in the past. Playing Dancing at the Crossroads after beating Kilkenny to stay in the Liam McCarthy Cup like it was something to celebrate, what are we at?
I think in Wexford some people love nothing more than Gizzy or Liam Griffin waxing lyrical about the game and big rousing speeches but where is the collective will of the whole county if only 3-4k people turn out for a championship match? Why don't Liam and Gizzy put their neck on the block and get involved with teams and development squads and clubs and why haven't Rosslare become a hurling powerhouse while Liam has spent 30 years telling anybody who will listen for an hour how hurling is a way of life? Why isn't it in his own club even if that's the case? Are they intermediate/junior? Its all well and good going to congress talking about every club in the country getting hurling going but what about fixing your own club first?
Hurling is not more than a sport. Its hyperbole to say it is. It is a very important sport in a handful of counties but nothing more.
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Replying To countyman2022: "NO, Gizzy done that by training hard." He trained harder than everyone else. Why ? Because he was motivated by something far bigger than himself. That's the whole point you're missing.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Where was this interview?
If Wexford have coaches like Gizzy and Liam eulogising the past from 200+ years ago then no wonder we are where we are.
In Kilkenny, Cork or Tipp a coach is talking about the proud hurling history of the county and 20+ All-Irelands their forefathers won and the tradition it is up to them to carry on by continuing to carry on that winning.
Wexford, we're talking about pikemen and Fr. Murphy and 1996 when players of now might not recognise Martin Storey. Would a 10-15 year old in 1996 have recognised Dan Quigley? (I had to look it up who it was which might be the answer)
With all due respect, there's a cohort in Wexford GAA stuck in the past. Playing Dancing at the Crossroads after beating Kilkenny to stay in the Liam McCarthy Cup like it was something to celebrate, what are we at?
I think in Wexford some people love nothing more than Gizzy or Liam Griffin waxing lyrical about the game and big rousing speeches but where is the collective will of the whole county if only 3-4k people turn out for a championship match? Why don't Liam and Gizzy put their neck on the block and get involved with teams and development squads and clubs and why haven't Rosslare become a hurling powerhouse while Liam has spent 30 years telling anybody who will listen for an hour how hurling is a way of life? Why isn't it in his own club even if that's the case? Are they intermediate/junior? Its all well and good going to congress talking about every club in the country getting hurling going but what about fixing your own club first?
Hurling is not more than a sport. Its hyperbole to say it is. It is a very important sport in a handful of counties but nothing more." With the greatest respect, you write like somebody who's totally lost your connection to where you came from.
Rosslare were beaten in an intermediate final a couple of years back and their playing population is tiny.
Griffin is very involved in fairness from nursery right up to the men.
He's also given talks to hundreds of teams from clubs, schools and county seniors for the last 30 years.
Dempsey, Conran, Dunne all had him involved in some way.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3752 - 17/06/2025 12:58:17
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Where was this interview?
If Wexford have coaches like Gizzy and Liam eulogising the past from 200+ years ago then no wonder we are where we are.
In Kilkenny, Cork or Tipp a coach is talking about the proud hurling history of the county and 20+ All-Irelands their forefathers won and the tradition it is up to them to carry on by continuing to carry on that winning.
Wexford, we're talking about pikemen and Fr. Murphy and 1996 when players of now might not recognise Martin Storey. Would a 10-15 year old in 1996 have recognised Dan Quigley? (I had to look it up who it was which might be the answer)
With all due respect, there's a cohort in Wexford GAA stuck in the past. Playing Dancing at the Crossroads after beating Kilkenny to stay in the Liam McCarthy Cup like it was something to celebrate, what are we at?
I think in Wexford some people love nothing more than Gizzy or Liam Griffin waxing lyrical about the game and big rousing speeches but where is the collective will of the whole county if only 3-4k people turn out for a championship match? Why don't Liam and Gizzy put their neck on the block and get involved with teams and development squads and clubs and why haven't Rosslare become a hurling powerhouse while Liam has spent 30 years telling anybody who will listen for an hour how hurling is a way of life? Why isn't it in his own club even if that's the case? Are they intermediate/junior? Its all well and good going to congress talking about every club in the country getting hurling going but what about fixing your own club first?
Hurling is not more than a sport. Its hyperbole to say it is. It is a very important sport in a handful of counties but nothing more." That's harsh on Griffin and feels like you are playing the man there. For me history, myth-making etc have place, its no harm for young lads to know they are part of something bigger, storytelling is massively power and arguably certainly to us as human beings. It DOES NOT replace, good coaching, practice, S&C, diet etc but it can be part of a package. For me hurling is more than 'just a sport' and I if others had seen it as this 100 + years ago I don't think we might even have it today. It was this 'something bigger' that inspired the foundation of the GAA. To reiterate, none of this replaces the basics, but it could be part of psychological preparation around the game, I would suggest use with care.
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 118 - 17/06/2025 13:15:12
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Replying To countyman2022: "But didn't you know we beat KK in the Park two years ago because they sang Boolavogue before the match?" No
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16371 - 17/06/2025 14:24:56
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Where was this interview?
If Wexford have coaches like Gizzy and Liam eulogising the past from 200+ years ago then no wonder we are where we are.
In Kilkenny, Cork or Tipp a coach is talking about the proud hurling history of the county and 20+ All-Irelands their forefathers won and the tradition it is up to them to carry on by continuing to carry on that winning.
Wexford, we're talking about pikemen and Fr. Murphy and 1996 when players of now might not recognise Martin Storey. Would a 10-15 year old in 1996 have recognised Dan Quigley? (I had to look it up who it was which might be the answer)
With all due respect, there's a cohort in Wexford GAA stuck in the past. Playing Dancing at the Crossroads after beating Kilkenny to stay in the Liam McCarthy Cup like it was something to celebrate, what are we at?
I think in Wexford some people love nothing more than Gizzy or Liam Griffin waxing lyrical about the game and big rousing speeches but where is the collective will of the whole county if only 3-4k people turn out for a championship match? Why don't Liam and Gizzy put their neck on the block and get involved with teams and development squads and clubs and why haven't Rosslare become a hurling powerhouse while Liam has spent 30 years telling anybody who will listen for an hour how hurling is a way of life? Why isn't it in his own club even if that's the case? Are they intermediate/junior? Its all well and good going to congress talking about every club in the country getting hurling going but what about fixing your own club first?
Hurling is not more than a sport. Its hyperbole to say it is. It is a very important sport in a handful of counties but nothing more." There were only 2000 of us to see us lose to Westmeath I've been to dances with more people at them. Not at crossroads granted.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16371 - 17/06/2025 14:29:57
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Replying To wexford2012: "That's harsh on Griffin and feels like you are playing the man there. For me history, myth-making etc have place, its no harm for young lads to know they are part of something bigger, storytelling is massively power and arguably certainly to us as human beings. It DOES NOT replace, good coaching, practice, S&C, diet etc but it can be part of a package. For me hurling is more than 'just a sport' and I if others had seen it as this 100 + years ago I don't think we might even have it today. It was this 'something bigger' that inspired the foundation of the GAA. To reiterate, none of this replaces the basics, but it could be part of psychological preparation around the game, I would suggest use with care." Collective history can inspire for sure, but as you say it has to be part of a greater approach, not the whole approach.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16371 - 17/06/2025 14:31:34
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Replying To Viking66: "There were only 2000 of us to see us lose to Westmeath I've been to dances with more people at them. Not at crossroads granted." I'd have had you down as a rave dancer, rather than a crossroads one.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2852 - 17/06/2025 14:48:10
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Replying To wexford2012: "That's harsh on Griffin and feels like you are playing the man there. For me history, myth-making etc have place, its no harm for young lads to know they are part of something bigger, storytelling is massively power and arguably certainly to us as human beings. It DOES NOT replace, good coaching, practice, S&C, diet etc but it can be part of a package. For me hurling is more than 'just a sport' and I if others had seen it as this 100 + years ago I don't think we might even have it today. It was this 'something bigger' that inspired the foundation of the GAA. To reiterate, none of this replaces the basics, but it could be part of psychological preparation around the game, I would suggest use with care." I'm delighted somebody else is getting this.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3752 - 17/06/2025 15:42:08
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I'd have had you down as a rave dancer, rather than a crossroads one." I didn't say what kinda dances CC :-D
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16371 - 17/06/2025 16:17:30
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I see performance as follows….
Every team has a ceiling and a floor; these can be raised by improving technical skills, by improving S&C, and by improving tactically
The team will perform at some level between their ceiling and their floor; these level they play at will be determined by the intensity at which they play
Intensity itself can be driven by culture; you see this best in Kilkenny where every hurling game seems like a matter of life and death
Of course, culture also impacts the heights of the floor and the ceiling; the better the culture, the more players are driven, the harder they train, and the more they develop technically, physically, tactically, and mentally
Culture is very important and each county has its own tradition. I don't see why we should forget who we are; most Wexford people are descendants of other Wexfordians from 100, 200, 300, 400 years ago etc. I don't think we should bang on about 1798 or 1996 (I don't know how many people actually bang on about them, I'd say more people create a strawman of people banging on about them than there are people actually banging on about them) and we should primarily focus on developing young hurlers with no reference to our tradition/culture/history. Our tradition/culture/history should be used here and there, it shouldn't be used the whole time
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Replying To Doylerwex: "With the greatest respect, you write like somebody who's totally lost your connection to where you came from.
Rosslare were beaten in an intermediate final a couple of years back and their playing population is tiny.
Griffin is very involved in fairness from nursery right up to the men.
He's also given talks to hundreds of teams from clubs, schools and county seniors for the last 30 years.
Dempsey, Conran, Dunne all had him involved in some way." You are right and wrong here, Griffin has been involved over the years so nobody can fault his commitment however Rosslare is not tiny. I believe it was Inter A they were in which lets be honest is old school Junior A. Its a big soccer area as well, looking through last weeks people there are two headlines for girls soccer nothing for the GAA. Who knows but the point is that over the years nothing much has changed in Rosslare, not saying that its not for want of effort but perhaps its a microcosm of the problems we face in general and the reality is appealing to 1798 is not going to get any more of those kids down their through the gates of the pitch if anything it will turn parents off sending them.
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Replying To zinny: "You are right and wrong here, Griffin has been involved over the years so nobody can fault his commitment however Rosslare is not tiny. I believe it was Inter A they were in which lets be honest is old school Junior A. Its a big soccer area as well, looking through last weeks people there are two headlines for girls soccer nothing for the GAA. Who knows but the point is that over the years nothing much has changed in Rosslare, not saying that its not for want of effort but perhaps its a microcosm of the problems we face in general and the reality is appealing to 1798 is not going to get any more of those kids down their through the gates of the pitch if anything it will turn parents off sending them." Rosslare is growing rapidly. Population won't be an issue in years to come. Getting that population involved in the GAA will be the challenge
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16371 - 17/06/2025 20:53:03
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Replying To zinny: "You are right and wrong here, Griffin has been involved over the years so nobody can fault his commitment however Rosslare is not tiny. I believe it was Inter A they were in which lets be honest is old school Junior A. Its a big soccer area as well, looking through last weeks people there are two headlines for girls soccer nothing for the GAA. Who knows but the point is that over the years nothing much has changed in Rosslare, not saying that its not for want of effort but perhaps its a microcosm of the problems we face in general and the reality is appealing to 1798 is not going to get any more of those kids down their through the gates of the pitch if anything it will turn parents off sending them." It's less than 10% of the population of Wexford town and a large number of those would be blow ins.
Personally I think there are too many clubs down that way for the size of the parishes
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3752 - 17/06/2025 21:42:05
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Replying To zinny: "You are right and wrong here, Griffin has been involved over the years so nobody can fault his commitment however Rosslare is not tiny. I believe it was Inter A they were in which lets be honest is old school Junior A. Its a big soccer area as well, looking through last weeks people there are two headlines for girls soccer nothing for the GAA. Who knows but the point is that over the years nothing much has changed in Rosslare, not saying that its not for want of effort but perhaps its a microcosm of the problems we face in general and the reality is appealing to 1798 is not going to get any more of those kids down their through the gates of the pitch if anything it will turn parents off sending them." Just because I can be nit-picky sometimes....!
Inaccurate to say that Intermediate A is "old school Junior A".
Intermediate A is our third grade, and with 12 teams per grade, it's basically for teams ranked 25 to 36.
It was introduced at the time when each grade dropped from 16 teams to just 12 teams. So before that:
- Senior was for teams 1 to 16
- Intermediate was for teams 17 to 32
- Junior (then commonly known as Junior 'A', to differentiate it from Junior 'B') was for teams 33 to 48
So, Intermediate A's 25 to 36 basically equates to the bottom half of old-school Intermediate, and the best four of old-school Junior. Not as straightforward or as far down the ranks as claiming "old school Junior A".
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Replying To Doylerwex: "With the greatest respect, you write like somebody who's totally lost your connection to where you came from.
Rosslare were beaten in an intermediate final a couple of years back and their playing population is tiny.
Griffin is very involved in fairness from nursery right up to the men.
He's also given talks to hundreds of teams from clubs, schools and county seniors for the last 30 years.
Dempsey, Conran, Dunne all had him involved in some way." I have far from lost connection with where I come from, I see every Wexford match I can (often the next day if its a 4-5pm throw in) and still am in touch with many of my own clubmates and will more than likely be back playing club hurling next year as I am most likely moving home some time next year although where and when is not certain. I also hope to see our club championship on Clubber and paid for my own club matches in recent years.
I know various people who played in probably the last 10 intermediate finals and never remember Rosslare playing in them but I will fact check this.
Their population is surely no smaller than Crossabeg or any other rural club.
Its all well and good to ask somebody to talk but hurling is a game of action, not talking. Its all well and good to say a club in Roscommon should have a hurling team and its not unreasonable to say "how good are your own club"? How good have Rosslare been in any of the nearly 30 years since he lead Wexford to an All-Ireland glory? I never remember playing them at underage.
To me, it borders on the after dinner circus to just keep talking, talking, talking.
And I don't mean this as any form of anti-Liam-Griffin point scoring, the man is a living legend for a 2-3 generations of Wexford people lucky to have experienced 1996.
I just think Wexford GAA has lots of talkers but is lacking in doers.
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Replying To Viking66: "Absolutely. Mullen was very poor. Can happen to any 16 year old. Great prospect still though. Bear in mind last year we played that Waterford team in the u16a final." Were the Minor coaching set-up the same as the U16 coaching set-up last year?
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 578 - 18/06/2025 12:38:58
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