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Sean o brien is out for the minors tomorrow and rhys wickam as well as far as I know.our two best forwards. As for tonight, all I can say is a win is a win and it was nice to leave wexford park after winning a championship match but by God am I concerned about playing kk. Just on a side note we are very quick to jump on Simon Donohue (I still think he not up to the standard)but credit where credit is due, I taught he man was excellent in the second half tonight.
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Does anyone else agree that our season was more or less decided on the penalty goal v Dublin and the five minutes that followed. Don't think we have ever recovered from that moment. Players seem devoid of confidence, first touch awful today. First half against Galway best forgotten" No we were 2nd best up to that point in Parnell.
Obviously deflating and doesn't help when the goal is given. We were britsl v Galway. A good team with their back to the wall would rally in the next game.....we didn't
Then today another opportunity to rally and we nearly got beaten by a team just out of Joe Mac.
The reality is and it pains me to say it......we.just aren't a good side with a good manager.
Plenty of young hurlers and let's hope those lads develop or we are gone
WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 415 - 17/05/2025 21:36:11
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "We're basically Everton at this stage." Southampton playing out from the back
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 536 - 17/05/2025 21:45:12
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Replying To icehonesty: "It was good for the team to get the win. Scrappy game overall. Offaly will be disappointed they didn't get anything from it.
I'm a bit confused as to what our management's plan is. We played a two man full forward line, Byrne and Casey, who couldn't win any ball. There's a core of experienced players largely carrying things: Fanning, Rory O'Connor, Chin, Foley. Rory, Chin, Foley and Jacko in a 4 man half forward line. I don't get why there isn't one ball winner put into the full forward line. Ball going in just came straight back out, bar one or two Byrne flashes.
Midfield was okay.
Backline was in trouble throughout. Defenders fouled all evening when Offaly players ran at us. Very few examples of good defending. Also alarming was how often defenders didn't trust themselves to clear ball, and went back to Fanning. He did really well, but several passes to him just put him under pressure. They should have been played out by the backs, not sent back to a keeper under pressure.
Our hurling looked not sharp at all. Handling was poor, balls fumbled or miscontrolled throughout. That has to go back to preparation and coaching.
Watching them today we needed either Chin or Kevin Foley at 6 (Reck was v poor I thought) and the other at 11, and Rory at 14. There would be a strong spine then with a ball winner in each line. I'd have started Mac at wing forward too, if he was okay to play, give us a focal point for puckouts.
Freetaking was really poor. Is Paul Codd the last proper top class freetaker we've had?
I thought it odd that the bench wasn't really used too. Several lads were going poorly. Worked out in the end I suppose, but took a goal right at the death." Shocking that more subs weren't brought on earlier. There were a few lads who were letting the game pass them by.
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "We're basically Everton at this stage." We're worse and Everton are hopeless.
Jedobi (Wexford) - Posts: 246 - 17/05/2025 22:09:57
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Replying To icehonesty: "It was good for the team to get the win. Scrappy game overall. Offaly will be disappointed they didn't get anything from it.
I'm a bit confused as to what our management's plan is. We played a two man full forward line, Byrne and Casey, who couldn't win any ball. There's a core of experienced players largely carrying things: Fanning, Rory O'Connor, Chin, Foley. Rory, Chin, Foley and Jacko in a 4 man half forward line. I don't get why there isn't one ball winner put into the full forward line. Ball going in just came straight back out, bar one or two Byrne flashes.
Midfield was okay.
Backline was in trouble throughout. Defenders fouled all evening when Offaly players ran at us. Very few examples of good defending. Also alarming was how often defenders didn't trust themselves to clear ball, and went back to Fanning. He did really well, but several passes to him just put him under pressure. They should have been played out by the backs, not sent back to a keeper under pressure.
Our hurling looked not sharp at all. Handling was poor, balls fumbled or miscontrolled throughout. That has to go back to preparation and coaching.
Watching them today we needed either Chin or Kevin Foley at 6 (Reck was v poor I thought) and the other at 11, and Rory at 14. There would be a strong spine then with a ball winner in each line. I'd have started Mac at wing forward too, if he was okay to play, give us a focal point for puckouts.
Freetaking was really poor. Is Paul Codd the last proper top class freetaker we've had?
I thought it odd that the bench wasn't really used too. Several lads were going poorly. Worked out in the end I suppose, but took a goal right at the death." Don't know if the backline was in that much trouble, 1-17 is a poor total at this level (Although our 2-17 is also a poor score) and 1-06 of that was from play, 1-02 of which came from their starting six forwards
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Wexford basically a Joe Mac team pretending to be a Liam McCarthy side. I think we will be relegated within the next 2 years, at underage there is no sign of any improvement, week in week out there is constant bluff about coaching and development squads, yet Wexford have won one Leinster minor title in 40 years, haven't won an Asl Ireland at minor and U20 since 1968, haven't won a League in 52 years and one senior All Ireland in 57 years. We are miles away from being serious challengers, that display today against Limerick or Cork would have seen us wiped out, 1-2 in 30 minutes and no points from play. Sad decline of a once great hurling county, but fact. Relegation might best best thing, wake everyone up.
Jedobi (Wexford) - Posts: 246 - 17/05/2025 22:20:30
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Does anyone else agree that our season was more or less decided on the penalty goal v Dublin and the five minutes that followed. Don't think we have ever recovered from that moment. Players seem devoid of confidence, first touch awful today. First half against Galway best forgotten" Not really, we weren't good enough to win that game, even if it didn't count we still would've lost by a point.
I'd blame management more so for that game, they didn't really try and rectify the situation until the damage was done…Not pushing up on their puckouts cost us big time and a lot of their points they got without any real pressure being put on the shooter also, for the other two goals I'd say Hetherton and Currie couldn't believe the space they were given. Tbh it felt like a carbon copy of the Clare game in QF in 22. After Dunbars goal we all but just sat back. Chins 21 at the end did put some gloss on the scoreline also.
I did expect our annual retaliatory performance to come last week, instead it was just a complete disaster between players and management.
I think tonight shows that Offaly are really going to be in the mix going forward not necessarily contending for titles year in year out but a real thorn in the side of ourselves and probably Dublin.
OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 271 - 17/05/2025 22:23:07
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Replying To Viking66: "Shocking that more subs weren't brought on earlier. There were a few lads who were letting the game pass them by." Happening every game now. Rossiter is too loyal.
Playing poorly today changes were needed
Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 150 - 17/05/2025 22:49:42
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I can understand talk of us being way off All-Ireland level but I think people over-exaggerate how bad our under-age results are
Some talk of the fact we haven't won U20/U21 in recent years and you can't build a good team without success at that level. Well, I've got news for you, the 2013-2015 U21 teams won Leinster in an era where Galway were still in Connacht, Kilkenny's teams back then were atrocious by their standards, Offaly were diabolical, and Dublin were moderate. We had good teams then but Leinster was very weak at the time and it's not as if we were that close to beating either Clare or Limerick in those U21 All-Ireland Finals. That said, a lot of those hurlers went on to backbone us from 2017 onwards
Fast forward to 2022 and 2023 and yes, we ultimately won nothing but we lost by one point to KK in the Leinster Final who then won the All-Ireland. We then lost by two points to Offaly who lost to a very good Cork side (Gap would be even smaller between them now given Ben O'Connor is in Munster). And this was all the time with Galway in Leinster, a resurgent Offaly side, and a KK side that were better than what they were back in 2013-2015
Just because they didn't win an U20 Leinster title doesn't mean that we don't have good young players coming through. For my money, I would've thought that are our 2022-2023 U20 sides were as close to winning an AI as our 2013-2015 U21 teams and as I said earlier, they provided us with a lot of good hurlers
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Replying To Jedobi: "Wexford basically a Joe Mac team pretending to be a Liam McCarthy side. I think we will be relegated within the next 2 years, at underage there is no sign of any improvement, week in week out there is constant bluff about coaching and development squads, yet Wexford have won one Leinster minor title in 40 years, haven't won an Asl Ireland at minor and U20 since 1968, haven't won a League in 52 years and one senior All Ireland in 57 years. We are miles away from being serious challengers, that display today against Limerick or Cork would have seen us wiped out, 1-2 in 30 minutes and no points from play. Sad decline of a once great hurling county, but fact. Relegation might best best thing, wake everyone up." Is there anyone to wake up? Look at the crowd there today, was there even 10,000 combined between our two home games?
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 536 - 17/05/2025 23:01:16
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Does anyone else agree that our season was more or less decided on the penalty goal v Dublin and the five minutes that followed. Don't think we have ever recovered from that moment. Players seem devoid of confidence, first touch awful today. First half against Galway best forgotten" I do agree.
We weren't great that day but that decision and our poor reaction to it set the tone for everything since. If they didn't get that we stay in the game and have a chance to close it out and we'd be talking about a Leinster final now. The margins are very fine at this level and unfortunately we're too fragile.
You could see in the warm up the players have given up which I found most disappointing.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3674 - 17/05/2025 23:15:08
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Replying To Jedobi: "Wexford basically a Joe Mac team pretending to be a Liam McCarthy side. I think we will be relegated within the next 2 years, at underage there is no sign of any improvement, week in week out there is constant bluff about coaching and development squads, yet Wexford have won one Leinster minor title in 40 years, haven't won an Asl Ireland at minor and U20 since 1968, haven't won a League in 52 years and one senior All Ireland in 57 years. We are miles away from being serious challengers, that display today against Limerick or Cork would have seen us wiped out, 1-2 in 30 minutes and no points from play. Sad decline of a once great hurling county, but fact. Relegation might best best thing, wake everyone up." What are you talking about? Sad decline of a once great county? We haven't been great since before I was born, and that was 54 years ago. We have the odd good year, but you have serious delusions of grandeur if that's what you think.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16062 - 18/05/2025 00:35:33
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "Not really, we weren't good enough to win that game, even if it didn't count we still would've lost by a point.
I'd blame management more so for that game, they didn't really try and rectify the situation until the damage was done…Not pushing up on their puckouts cost us big time and a lot of their points they got without any real pressure being put on the shooter also, for the other two goals I'd say Hetherton and Currie couldn't believe the space they were given. Tbh it felt like a carbon copy of the Clare game in QF in 22. After Dunbars goal we all but just sat back. Chins 21 at the end did put some gloss on the scoreline also.
I did expect our annual retaliatory performance to come last week, instead it was just a complete disaster between players and management.
I think tonight shows that Offaly are really going to be in the mix going forward not necessarily contending for titles year in year out but a real thorn in the side of ourselves and probably Dublin." They have a far superior record to ours in my lifetime. Think we have been a thorn in their side most of the last 20 plus years.
Seriously though we are very similar, we had 2 great decades in the 50s and 60s, they had 2 also, in the 80s and 90s.
This millennium we have been ahead of them, but that doesn't give us any god given right to stay that way.
We will probably stay a little ahead of them, because we have a few good lads coming through every few years, while they've only had 1 good underage team in that time.
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Talking to some Offaly supporters and they were saying Lowry is pumping money into Offaly GAA akin to JP and Limerick. They also gave Adam Screeney to come back, so are on the up and up. Long gone are the days we could at least count on coming third. Hard to believe we've one match left and won't see a game until 8/9 months. Depressing stuff
goreyll (Wexford) - Posts: 163 - 18/05/2025 07:27:46
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Replying To OpenStandWall: "Not really, we weren't good enough to win that game, even if it didn't count we still would've lost by a point.
I'd blame management more so for that game, they didn't really try and rectify the situation until the damage was done…Not pushing up on their puckouts cost us big time and a lot of their points they got without any real pressure being put on the shooter also, for the other two goals I'd say Hetherton and Currie couldn't believe the space they were given. Tbh it felt like a carbon copy of the Clare game in QF in 22. After Dunbars goal we all but just sat back. Chins 21 at the end did put some gloss on the scoreline also.
I did expect our annual retaliatory performance to come last week, instead it was just a complete disaster between players and management.
I think tonight shows that Offaly are really going to be in the mix going forward not necessarily contending for titles year in year out but a real thorn in the side of ourselves and probably Dublin." I disagree. That goal that wasn't resulted in 2 more goals for Dublin in quick sucession while the Wexford players were still coming to terms with yet another poor pivotal decision called again them. Wexford didn't play well but 100% would've won against Dublin. And as an earlier poster said, they haven't recovered from that decision.
Look at the Clare game last year, Rory yellow carded after 7 seconds! For what? Nothing. Kilkennys penalty last year... its hard to recover when you constantly being knocked.
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https://youtu.be/WMkUF6QjJR8?si=Mg9zvc_myv6RRJvp
Highlights of the game lads.
Just on Darragh Carley he made a really good sliding intervention when Offaly were looking like winning a broken ball in the closing minutes. He was on the right side for a wingback , our goal side, of the ruck, and showed good reactions and awareness. Overall he was ok for his 1st championship start, sometimes his positioning was a bit suspect around puckouts and long ball, and sometimes he was marking space when they had the ball, but he was better than I've seen him since he finished u20 for getting directly involved in the game.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16062 - 18/05/2025 08:41:10
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Yeah 100%. Jacko had one of his better days. Scratching my head trying to figure out our forwards play. Thought the template for where to play Rory was the Galway game last year. Our most natural forward is playing too far out from the oppositions goal" Agree. Rory is a scoring forward. Okay he was dropping back to shore up a shaky defence but it seriously reduced our scoring potential.
Chin also played deep for portions of the game..
As most of us have said that our defence is weak and hugely unreliable. I know Ryan is a big loss and it looks like he's out for another year according to one poster. Hopefully that's untrue.
How Casey was selected in the first place and left on for what seemed like an eternity was baffling in the extreme. I don't blame the player, I blame management. Changes really should have been made much earlier as it was obvious that some were simply been bossed around by a team who are young and inexperienced at this level.
They may well challenge strongly in leinster in the next few years and let's face it leinster badly needs an Offaly and Wexford to be competive.
I fear greatly for our game next week. Even if the cats beat the Dubs today and it's a dead rubber they will come here to destroy us. Kilkenny teams always want to win and won't be resting some of their players. However it's up to us to raise our game significantly, and I'm sure we will.
It's not all over yet but in reality it really looks like it is.
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Replying To Magpie2: "Agree. Rory is a scoring forward. Okay he was dropping back to shore up a shaky defence but it seriously reduced our scoring potential.
Chin also played deep for portions of the game..
As most of us have said that our defence is weak and hugely unreliable. I know Ryan is a big loss and it looks like he's out for another year according to one poster. Hopefully that's untrue.
How Casey was selected in the first place and left on for what seemed like an eternity was baffling in the extreme. I don't blame the player, I blame management. Changes really should have been made much earlier as it was obvious that some were simply been bossed around by a team who are young and inexperienced at this level.
They may well challenge strongly in leinster in the next few years and let's face it leinster badly needs an Offaly and Wexford to be competive.
I fear greatly for our game next week. Even if the cats beat the Dubs today and it's a dead rubber they will come here to destroy us. Kilkenny teams always want to win and won't be resting some of their players. However it's up to us to raise our game significantly, and I'm sure we will.
It's not all over yet but in reality it really looks like it is." I disagree. If Kilkenny beat Dublin today, their focus will be solely on winning the Leinster final and a place in the All Ireland semi-final. To that end, next Sunday's game will give Lyng a chance to try out a few of the fringe players and rest any players who are carrying slight knocks or might benefit from a break.
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Replying To Viking66: "https://youtu.be/WMkUF6QjJR8?si=Mg9zvc_myv6RRJvp
Highlights of the game lads.
Just on Darragh Carley he made a really good sliding intervention when Offaly were looking like winning a broken ball in the closing minutes. He was on the right side for a wingback , our goal side, of the ruck, and showed good reactions and awareness. Overall he was ok for his 1st championship start, sometimes his positioning was a bit suspect around puckouts and long ball, and sometimes he was marking space when they had the ball, but he was better than I've seen him since he finished u20 for getting directly involved in the game." Good man Viking thanks for putting up the link. Some finish from Chin.
Pity this match wasn't streamed anywhere as they had a camera there.
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