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Replying To Viking66:  "Agree 100% Bon. It's just very annoying when you lose a tight game and that has happened. At the same time I've been to dozens of close losses where we left the game behind us also. We are experts at it."
I totally get that, hugely frustrating for teams and supporters when those things happen.
Its fine margins unfortunately.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2282 - 30/04/2025 21:46:00    2605860

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@Doylerwex it was a different game back then but I think Colm Keogh, Sean Flood, Adrian Fenlon, Larry Murphy, Rory McCarthy were all top top hurlers. I forgot about Fitzy who was the best goalkeeper in the 1990s. 7
The rest were dogs of war which every top team has and needs.
But I still say Wexford back then were closer to the top than Wexford of now and that is just hurling wise, psychology is grand if you need 2% but it will not get you 25% no matter what you do.
Just my tuppence.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1333 - 30/04/2025 21:58:14    2605862

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Replying To WEX98:  "OK, since the introduction of the round robin in 2018.

We won 3 from 7 against Kilkenny.
1 from 6 against Dublin and 1 from 6 against Galway.
So, 5 wins from 19, that's a 26% win rate in Leinster championship games........no point talking about the rest."
You get points for draws as well and you also have to get results against the other teams.

You're very carefully selecting your criteria to suit your excessively negative narrative.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3546 - 30/04/2025 23:04:48    2605877

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Replying To Yellowhelmet:  "The facts dont lie."
Yes, and the fact is since the round robin began we've qualified more than Dublin or Galway and our record is second only to Kilkenny.

Unfortunately it fortunately we're experts at finishing third depending on how you look at it.

Statistically it's almost free money to bet Kilkenny will win it and Wexford will finish third.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3546 - 30/04/2025 23:07:25    2605879

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "@Doylerwex it was a different game back then but I think Colm Keogh, Sean Flood, Adrian Fenlon, Larry Murphy, Rory McCarthy were all top top hurlers. I forgot about Fitzy who was the best goalkeeper in the 1990s. 7
The rest were dogs of war which every top team has and needs.
But I still say Wexford back then were closer to the top than Wexford of now and that is just hurling wise, psychology is grand if you need 2% but it will not get you 25% no matter what you do.
Just my tuppence."
Those are all players I admire a lot but realistically were flood and kehoe better than Shane Reck or Conor Foley? McCarthy or Murphy more influential than Jack o Connor or Cian Byrne? Probably similar to be honest.

Fitzy is the best goalkeeper of any era. Arguably the best Wexford ever produced in any position. If I live to be a hundred I'll probably still be saying that.

Best shot stopper, unstoppable penalty, invented the short puck out which Cork stole to win two all Irelands and got all the credit.

My favourite thing was how he managed a game by breaking momentum. We concede a goal and he was straight into, there's something in my eye get the doctor, this ball is damaged, hang on til I change my hurl. If fanning had that we'd have beaten Tipp in 2019 among other near misses.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3546 - 30/04/2025 23:13:41    2605880

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We badly need to beat Galway or get a result otherwise you would have to think our season is over because that makes dublin almost sure to qualify then Galway will have the head to head on us and kk will have qualified.if we don't beat Galway or even a draw we are goosed for another year.

Jimbob96 (Wexford) - Posts: 26 - 30/04/2025 23:39:43    2605885

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Replying To Viking66:  "How many starting players are on each team that were starting in 2018? Probably less than half."
Wexford 9
Kilkenny 5
Galway 3
Dublin 3

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 485 - 01/05/2025 06:52:15    2605910

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Replying To WEX98:  "Wexford 9
Kilkenny 5
Galway 3
Dublin 3"
We had Eoin Ryan, Shane Reck, Patsy, Lawlor, Foley, Hearne, Mcguckin, Cian Byrne, Dooley and Dunbar who started last weekend who didn't start against Kilkenny in 2018. That's 10 players. Though Dooley came on as a sub.
12 of Kilkennys starting team at the weekend didn't play in that game either.
Dublin had 4 starters from their game against Galway in 2018, though Sutcliffe and Burke both started back then but were injured Saturday. Currie, Mcbride and Hayes played in both games also, but didn't start both.
Galway had 6 starters against Offaly who started against Dublin in 2018. The first 2 subs on started against Dublin also. There's another couple still on the panel also.
So Dublin and Galway had approximately half their teams from 2018, while Kilkenny and Wexford only had around a quarter.
Up or down results from 2018 have no influence on our upcoming games against Galway, Offaly or Kilkenny. Or 2019/2020/2021 either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15557 - 01/05/2025 09:18:58    2605926

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Those are all players I admire a lot but realistically were flood and kehoe better than Shane Reck or Conor Foley? McCarthy or Murphy more influential than Jack o Connor or Cian Byrne? Probably similar to be honest.

Fitzy is the best goalkeeper of any era. Arguably the best Wexford ever produced in any position. If I live to be a hundred I'll probably still be saying that.

Best shot stopper, unstoppable penalty, invented the short puck out which Cork stole to win two all Irelands and got all the credit.

My favourite thing was how he managed a game by breaking momentum. We concede a goal and he was straight into, there's something in my eye get the doctor, this ball is damaged, hang on til I change my hurl. If fanning had that we'd have beaten Tipp in 2019 among other near misses."
McCarthy and Murphy were more influential than Jacko or Cian, though potentially Cian could be the most influential of all 4.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15557 - 01/05/2025 09:21:23    2605928

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Replying To Jimbob96:  "We badly need to beat Galway or get a result otherwise you would have to think our season is over because that makes dublin almost sure to qualify then Galway will have the head to head on us and kk will have qualified.if we don't beat Galway or even a draw we are goosed for another year."
Not sure that. Dublin could beat both Kilkenny and Galway. Or 1 of them. We could beat Kilkenny and Offaly. In a 3 way tie head to head is irrelevant.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15557 - 01/05/2025 09:22:57    2605929

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Replying To WEX98:  "Wexford 9
Kilkenny 5
Galway 3
Dublin 3"
Galway still have Daithí Burke, David Burke, Jason Flynn, Cathal Mannion, Pádraic Mannion, and Conor Whelan have in their team from the 2015 AI Final and Conor Cooley was a sub so not sure where you're getting 3 starters from their 2018 team

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 465 - 01/05/2025 09:52:47    2605935

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Those are all players I admire a lot but realistically were flood and kehoe better than Shane Reck or Conor Foley? McCarthy or Murphy more influential than Jack o Connor or Cian Byrne? Probably similar to be honest.

Fitzy is the best goalkeeper of any era. Arguably the best Wexford ever produced in any position. If I live to be a hundred I'll probably still be saying that.

Best shot stopper, unstoppable penalty, invented the short puck out which Cork stole to win two all Irelands and got all the credit.

My favourite thing was how he managed a game by breaking momentum. We concede a goal and he was straight into, there's something in my eye get the doctor, this ball is damaged, hang on til I change my hurl. If fanning had that we'd have beaten Tipp in 2019 among other near misses."
Asking were kehoe and flood better than Conor foley and Shane reck? Seriously!

Mc Carthy and Murphy were just similar to Jack O Connor and Cian Byrne!

People really need to get realistic about where we currently are!

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1487 - 01/05/2025 10:41:35    2605955

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Replying To tearintom:  "Asking were kehoe and flood better than Conor foley and Shane reck? Seriously!

Mc Carthy and Murphy were just similar to Jack O Connor and Cian Byrne!

People really need to get realistic about where we currently are!"
Yeah seriously. Kehoe was tigerish but not very technical. I consider Conor Foley to be somebody of similar characteristics but he's bigger.

Flood was classy but had a tendancy to give the ball away an awful lot. By contrast Shane Reck is probably the best man marker in Ireland.

McCarthy was gifted skill wise and got some absolutely incredible scores. However, we only saw him at his peak potential in about 6 matches over his career as follows, Galway 96, Limerick 01, Kilkenny 04, Laois 05 and Tipp 07.

Personally I think Larry was a warrior but not exactly prolific.

I'm not trying to run them down. I love them all. I'm just saying nostalgia makes us think they're better than the actually were.

Larry very similar to Jacko in that when he showed up he was unable, but there were loads of days that he didn't.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3546 - 01/05/2025 11:31:50    2605975

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Yer comparing apples with oranges lads if you are comparing the players now from those in the 90s.
I don't remember the games in the 90s but I saw plenty of them, it was a different game because the full back line back then had one job - stop the full forward line from scoring. If Colm Kehoe or Sean Flood did not hit a ball but DJ or Johnny Dooley or whoever did not, job done.
Now, a corner back needs to take a puck out and move the ball or run with it, its a different game. They need to be so comfortable on the ball.
I think Conor Foley and Cian Molloy will be top players, both are young and learning their trade. But they were thrown to the wolves on Saturday because every puck out came on top of them. Some of our players are guilty of running in to traffic and not moving the ball on.
We need the team to take the injustice of the penalty that wasn't and run with it for the Galway game. Be angry like they were last year after Antrim and they beat Galway.
Its season on the line now, put up or shut up.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1824 - 01/05/2025 11:55:23    2605988

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Yeah seriously. Kehoe was tigerish but not very technical. I consider Conor Foley to be somebody of similar characteristics but he's bigger.

Flood was classy but had a tendancy to give the ball away an awful lot. By contrast Shane Reck is probably the best man marker in Ireland.

McCarthy was gifted skill wise and got some absolutely incredible scores. However, we only saw him at his peak potential in about 6 matches over his career as follows, Galway 96, Limerick 01, Kilkenny 04, Laois 05 and Tipp 07.

Personally I think Larry was a warrior but not exactly prolific.

I'm not trying to run them down. I love them all. I'm just saying nostalgia makes us think they're better than the actually were.

Larry very similar to Jacko in that when he showed up he was unable, but there were loads of days that he didn't."
Im too young to remember Colm Kehoe playing in the flesh for Wexford but from watching old videos back he is quiet different to Conor Foley. You described Colm Kehoe exactly as I would have but I think Conor Foley is more suited to wing back or even midfield as he is a more technical player and is not suited to corner back in my opinion. Id like to see Conor Foley at wing back going forward

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 557 - 01/05/2025 12:01:39    2605994

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Yer comparing apples with oranges lads if you are comparing the players now from those in the 90s.
I don't remember the games in the 90s but I saw plenty of them, it was a different game because the full back line back then had one job - stop the full forward line from scoring. If Colm Kehoe or Sean Flood did not hit a ball but DJ or Johnny Dooley or whoever did not, job done.
Now, a corner back needs to take a puck out and move the ball or run with it, its a different game. They need to be so comfortable on the ball.
I think Conor Foley and Cian Molloy will be top players, both are young and learning their trade. But they were thrown to the wolves on Saturday because every puck out came on top of them. Some of our players are guilty of running in to traffic and not moving the ball on.
We need the team to take the injustice of the penalty that wasn't and run with it for the Galway game. Be angry like they were last year after Antrim and they beat Galway.
Its season on the line now, put up or shut up."
Im expecting and hoping for a massive performance from us in Salthill

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 557 - 01/05/2025 12:07:17    2605998

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Im too young to remember Colm Kehoe playing in the flesh for Wexford but from watching old videos back he is quiet different to Conor Foley. You described Colm Kehoe exactly as I would have but I think Conor Foley is more suited to wing back or even midfield as he is a more technical player and is not suited to corner back in my opinion. Id like to see Conor Foley at wing back going forward"
Conor Foley was always a midfielder or forward growing up

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15557 - 01/05/2025 13:01:39    2606009

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Here we go again. Yawn."
Heard Jack Guiney is home too .. from a man in the pub .. who heard from the sisters boyfriend .. who seen it on twitter

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 179 - 01/05/2025 15:28:22    2606060

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Replying To WEX98:  "Wexford 9
Kilkenny 5
Galway 3
Dublin 3"
Well 9 for Wexford is nonsense anyway.

You're at it again.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3546 - 01/05/2025 18:42:53    2606113

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Yeah seriously. Kehoe was tigerish but not very technical. I consider Conor Foley to be somebody of similar characteristics but he's bigger.

Flood was classy but had a tendancy to give the ball away an awful lot. By contrast Shane Reck is probably the best man marker in Ireland.

McCarthy was gifted skill wise and got some absolutely incredible scores. However, we only saw him at his peak potential in about 6 matches over his career as follows, Galway 96, Limerick 01, Kilkenny 04, Laois 05 and Tipp 07.

Personally I think Larry was a warrior but not exactly prolific.

I'm not trying to run them down. I love them all. I'm just saying nostalgia makes us think they're better than the actually were.

Larry very similar to Jacko in that when he showed up he was unable, but there were loads of days that he didn't."
Larry was a bit inconsistent but was blessed with a lot more skill than Jack O'Connor. Also, I don't think I've ever seen Jack in a match where I thought he was unplayable…effective yes but not unplayable.

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 251 - 01/05/2025 20:39:04    2606124

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