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How Do We Take Hurling On From Here

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "Are you sure about thst? Thats a decision for the munster council afaik and im not aware of that decision being made."
Yes. That's also in the Rule Book. From the rule that covers the Joe McDonagh Cup:
The winner of the final shall be promoted to the Senior Hurling Championship Tier 1 and take part in the Provincial Championships in the following year. If the winner is from Munster, they shall play in the Munster Championship, and if the winner is not from Munster, they shall play in the Leinster Championship.

This is on foot of a decision made at Congress three years ago.

There was a time it used to amaze me how many people don't even know the basics of why things are the way they are in matters that those people argue about. But over time (and with the wisdom of ever-increasing age!), I've gotten used to it.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3434 - 25/03/2026 23:15:05    2663239

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Replying To Goreylad1985:  "Or until the Leinster counties start to grow a bit of a challenge and start reaching National finals!!

Why would you bring 3 Munster counties to a venue in the east of Leinster??"
Look at it this way. If there were two or three Munster counties (or Connacht counties, or Ulster counties) in either of the Football League Finals double-headers to be played in Croke Park this weekend, then those finals would still be in Croke Park. They wouldn't be fixed for another ground "down the country".

Logically, "hurling people" should actually be insulted that the 1A and 1B League Finals are being played in Limerick - "how come football gets to use Croke Park, but we don't????"

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3434 - 25/03/2026 23:20:58    2663241

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Replying To Goreylad1985:  "Ah come on now Viking! We all know if Munster had a venue of 82k capacity that last sentence would be blown out of the water! Sounds good tho ;D"
It did :-)

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18919 - 26/03/2026 06:26:21    2663249

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Made in 2022."
Also it was made at Congress, not in Munster. Hence Tadhg2020 not hearing about it maybe?
The Munster Championship is part of a National Competition.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18919 - 26/03/2026 06:28:38    2663250

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Kilkenny, Galway, Dublin and Wexford battling for 2 places - it's going to be great!"
Think 3 out of each Province with advantages if you finish 1st or 2nd, as is currently the case, suits both Championships. If both have to be a Round Robin which I dont believe is the case.
The only alternative Id be interested in would be going back to straight knockout, with Galway and Antrim etc returning to their own provinces, then a 3 tier all ireland competition with promotion and relegation between tiers. The format I put up on one of your Football threads. I know alot of Galway and Antrim people I know would prefer this also. And Waterford people.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18919 - 26/03/2026 06:36:19    2663251

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Kilkenny, Galway, Dublin and Wexford battling for 2 places - it's going to be great!"
Sorry that last post should read 4 tiers for hurling. It was 3 for Football I proposed.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18919 - 26/03/2026 06:51:12    2663253

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Replying To Goreylad1985:  "Or until the Leinster counties start to grow a bit of a challenge and start reaching National finals!!

Why would you bring 3 Munster counties to a venue in the east of Leinster??"
I wasn't suggesting East of Leinster but separate locations for both finals. Once it was understood that 1A was going to be a Cork v Limerick final, it should have been made a stand alone fixture with Clare v Dublin switched to Thurles.

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 480 - 26/03/2026 08:12:46    2663258

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Replying To Viking66:  "There were only around 8000 less at the Leinster final than the Munster final last year, which wasnt bad considering one of the counties isnt even from Leinster and many supporters there have no interest in Leinster.
The 2 biggest attendances for Munster and Leinster finals over the last 10 years were both in Leinster finals."
Ah yes, but you know those stats are a bit skewed because of stadium capacities....

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 480 - 26/03/2026 08:14:33    2663259

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Made in 2022."
If that is the case and it ever happens then what I have said about the effect of 6 in Bob Cup will also apply to Munster. What makes the current format great is the fairness of it. Everyone gets 2 home and 2 away games. Thats important in a short format like this. Noone can complain about fixtures being against them etc. The introduction of the 6th destroys that. Now you may have 2 home games and 3 away with one of your home games against kerry for example. That changes things a lot. Then there is the quality control issue. With all due respect to Kerry they are miles off Munster championship level even if they do win the Joe. It would be of no benefit to them or the championship. Teams would have to go out and hammer them by as much as possible because score difference could be the deciding factor in either getting to a Munster final or 3rd and 4th. Thats not a good scenario for anyone.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 122 - 26/03/2026 09:30:32    2663268

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Replying To bloodandbandage:  "I wasn't suggesting East of Leinster but separate locations for both finals. Once it was understood that 1A was going to be a Cork v Limerick final, it should have been made a stand alone fixture with Clare v Dublin switched to Thurles."
I don't mind going to Limerick as want to see the main event anyway. I see the argument about the kids but the game being Easter Sunday would mean less chance of clubs bringing them anyway,

We a humble folk in Dublin hurlers, We don't like to be a bother :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 4109 - 26/03/2026 10:41:17    2663273

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Replying To bloodandbandage:  "Ah yes, but you know those stats are a bit skewed because of stadium capacities...."
Of course!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18919 - 26/03/2026 10:50:42    2663278

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On scoring difference in Munster following the scenario of Kerry gaining promotion:
1. Take scoring difference out of the equation. 2 teams level on points based on head to head. More than 2 teams level on points based on mini table between those teams.
2. As Kerry realistically would be in Munster for one year - Kerry could be given all their games at home as something of a festival of hurling for the year. The other 5 and keep their 2 home and away games against each other.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9582 - 26/03/2026 11:02:54    2663280

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Replying To legendzxix:  "On scoring difference in Munster following the scenario of Kerry gaining promotion:
1. Take scoring difference out of the equation. 2 teams level on points based on head to head. More than 2 teams level on points based on mini table between those teams.
2. As Kerry realistically would be in Munster for one year - Kerry could be given all their games at home as something of a festival of hurling for the year. The other 5 and keep their 2 home and away games against each other."
Perfect ideas

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18919 - 26/03/2026 11:12:10    2663285

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