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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Deluded maths is exactly what he has come up with..good man ORIEL…!!" HS left out a full stop from my post. You are the lad with the deluded math. His numbers are factual, then can you count?. I think you have proven you can't. You just come up with nonsensical statements to pretend you have an argument. Now that your armchair soccer season is over you are totally out of control with too much time on your hands. You need to get it into your little head that, the nature of sport is that not every game is going to be a nip and tuck thriller all the way to the final whistle. 16 teams playing in round 3,all with something to play for. Only an idiot could believe that we don't now have a good championship system. I will try to organise a whip a round and maybe get you a play station to make up for your premiership withdrawal symptons and allow the rest of us to go enjoy the GAA championship along with all the true county fans.
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Think this thread is a bit naïve to be honest.
The GAA wont give a blind care what the attendances are. What they have and didn't have previously, was extra rounds of games, with more counties active either in more games in the All Ireland series or Tailteann cup. The bottom line will be up. If you take say Dublin as an example - there was about 15k at Roscommon, 9k at Cavan and Mayo will be sell out depending n where it is. That's just one county. Counties doing well will pack the place out, Armagh, Donegal, Derry maybe even Cork after the weekend.
They are tickets that previously wouldn't be sold before a quarter final - even if a fair few got the 50 euro deal, add to that preliminary quarter finals, before the boon of quarter final onwards.
The GAA will be thinking to themselves, these are bonus games when previously nothing was happening as opposed to be worrying about attendances.
They are establishing the model, clearly the lessons they need to take is the frequency of games, in terms of times and finances and the condensed season. That i think will happen.
But in terms of the groups a small bit of something is better then the total of nothing.
So from their point of view they will see it as a success.
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Any attendances released for the Galway vs Westmeath game or the Derry vs Armagh game?
centrefield99 (Galway) - Posts: 114 - 04/06/2024 11:43:30
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Replying To TheUsername: "Think this thread is a bit naïve to be honest.
The GAA wont give a blind care what the attendances are. What they have and didn't have previously, was extra rounds of games, with more counties active either in more games in the All Ireland series or Tailteann cup. The bottom line will be up. If you take say Dublin as an example - there was about 15k at Roscommon, 9k at Cavan and Mayo will be sell out depending n where it is. That's just one county. Counties doing well will pack the place out, Armagh, Donegal, Derry maybe even Cork after the weekend.
They are tickets that previously wouldn't be sold before a quarter final - even if a fair few got the 50 euro deal, add to that preliminary quarter finals, before the boon of quarter final onwards.
The GAA will be thinking to themselves, these are bonus games when previously nothing was happening as opposed to be worrying about attendances.
They are establishing the model, clearly the lessons they need to take is the frequency of games, in terms of times and finances and the condensed season. That i think will happen.
But in terms of the groups a small bit of something is better then the total of nothing.
So from their point of view they will see it as a success." Players and managers wanted and got more games.
By next Sunday evening up to 200,000 will have attended the Sam round robin group games.
Around 275,000 attended the provincial football games.
11 knock out games to come -250k+
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Replying To ORIELMAN85: "HS left out a full stop from my post. You are the lad with the deluded math. His numbers are factual, then can you count?. I think you have proven you can't. You just come up with nonsensical statements to pretend you have an argument. Now that your armchair soccer season is over you are totally out of control with too much time on your hands. You need to get it into your little head that, the nature of sport is that not every game is going to be a nip and tuck thriller all the way to the final whistle. 16 teams playing in round 3,all with something to play for. Only an idiot could believe that we don't now have a good championship system. I will try to organise a whip a round and maybe get you a play station to make up for your premiership withdrawal symptons and allow the rest of us to go enjoy the GAA championship along with all the true county fans." Only an idiot like you would think that the current championship system is a good one…. When the GAA finally wakes up and changes the system the finger will be pointing straight at you as the prime idiot…. All former players and managers can't be wrong and an air head like you right…. You probably never played or was at a game in your life…!!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2168 - 04/06/2024 13:18:37
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Firstly I am absolutely not a fan of this groups system but this weekend definitely endeared it to me a bit more.
Full houses in Cork, Navan and Mullingar. Navan fell flat because of the result but Cork was huge for promotion of Cork football.
Westmeath, good performance and actually makes next week really interesting because of the bazaar system. Potentially knocking out the league champions certainly keeps interest going in Westmeath (and Derry) football.
Dubs bringing the show on the road. Was good to see the colour. They brough their core support. Pity the game was a washout, Cavan at a low ebb. A better draw could have seen the Dubs going to Cork or Derry which would have made interesting viewing
I'd predict small crowds at neutral venues but there are some interesting clashes next week -
Derry Westmeath - league champions could go
Galway Armagh - plenty history, 2 good teams direct route to quater final
Dublin Mayo - first test for the Dubs
Tyrone Cork - Either team could finish anywhere from first to third
Remaining fixtures don't have a lot going for them. Interesting to see how how Louth shape up against Kerry I suppose.
Alternative group suggestion
3 groups of 5 might work, top 2 qualify + 2 best 3rd places.
Pros
2 home games each
no neutral venues which won't draw flies. Even 2 strong teams like Cork and Tyrone won't draw a crowd for a group game over a 100 miles form both of them.
Cons
Probably a more few dead rubbers but you have to live with those
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Only an idiot like you would think that the current championship system is a good one…. When the GAA finally wakes up and changes the system the finger will be pointing straight at you as the prime idiot…. All former players and managers can't be wrong and an air head like you right…. You probably never played or was at a game in your life…!!!" You must not even know a player. Players are all in favour of it. A total bluffer you are. The system ain't changing anytime soon.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 194 - 04/06/2024 17:36:05
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Replying To dahayeser: "Firstly I am absolutely not a fan of this groups system but this weekend definitely endeared it to me a bit more.
Full houses in Cork, Navan and Mullingar. Navan fell flat because of the result but Cork was huge for promotion of Cork football.
Westmeath, good performance and actually makes next week really interesting because of the bazaar system. Potentially knocking out the league champions certainly keeps interest going in Westmeath (and Derry) football.
Dubs bringing the show on the road. Was good to see the colour. They brough their core support. Pity the game was a washout, Cavan at a low ebb. A better draw could have seen the Dubs going to Cork or Derry which would have made interesting viewing
I'd predict small crowds at neutral venues but there are some interesting clashes next week -
Derry Westmeath - league champions could go
Galway Armagh - plenty history, 2 good teams direct route to quater final
Dublin Mayo - first test for the Dubs
Tyrone Cork - Either team could finish anywhere from first to third
Remaining fixtures don't have a lot going for them. Interesting to see how how Louth shape up against Kerry I suppose.
Alternative group suggestion
3 groups of 5 might work, top 2 qualify + 2 best 3rd places.
Pros
2 home games each
no neutral venues which won't draw flies. Even 2 strong teams like Cork and Tyrone won't draw a crowd for a group game over a 100 miles form both of them.
Cons
Probably a more few dead rubbers but you have to live with those" 8 games this weekend. All 16 teams with a lot to play for.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 194 - 04/06/2024 17:42:26
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Should be more than decent crowds for the majority of the upcoming round 3 games, if not it's time for HQ to start worrying and put on the thinking cap again.
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Replying To The_analyser: "Should be more than decent crowds for the majority of the upcoming round 3 games, if not it's time for HQ to start worrying and put on the thinking cap again." Looking at the fixtures and venues a lot of games will only get NFL regulars I'd fear.
My guesstimates...
Galway v Armagh 7,000
Derry v Westmeath 4,000
Dublin v Mayo hopefully 15k
Ros v Cavan 6,000
Donegal v Clare 5,000
Tyrone v Cork n/a as along with Hurling.
Kerry v Louth 6,000
Monaghan v Meath 5,000.
Not sure about HQ thinking again as its a 3 year programme. No doubt there will be a load of new systems being floated next year.
Mind you a bit of reduced pricing and marketing would be no harm.
One of the main requirements for the Committee which proposed this system was providing more games in Summer for the players. It does that.
Crowds have been around the same averages as the old knockout Qualifiers.
I recall a double header in Portlaoise on a hot day in 2018 where we played Armagh and Tyrone played Cork where the attendance didn't reach 10k.
So it's not as if there's been a massive drop in crowds. The 11k in Croker has a lot of folk wound up but a double header we were involved in there in 2022 had around 13k.
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Replying To ORIELMAN85: "HS left out a full stop from my post. You are the lad with the deluded math. His numbers are factual, then can you count?. I think you have proven you can't. You just come up with nonsensical statements to pretend you have an argument. Now that your armchair soccer season is over you are totally out of control with too much time on your hands. You need to get it into your little head that, the nature of sport is that not every game is going to be a nip and tuck thriller all the way to the final whistle. 16 teams playing in round 3,all with something to play for. Only an idiot could believe that we don't now have a good championship system. I will try to organise a whip a round and maybe get you a play station to make up for your premiership withdrawal symptons and allow the rest of us to go enjoy the GAA championship along with all the true county fans." A whip a round for a Cavan man? I've heard it all now.
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46,000 at Round 3 games last year.
Average attendance per game at 2023 Round Robins 8,250
Average attendance per game 2022 Qualifiers 9,200
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Looking at the fixtures and venues a lot of games will only get NFL regulars I'd fear.
My guesstimates...
Galway v Armagh 7,000
Derry v Westmeath 4,000
Dublin v Mayo hopefully 15k
Ros v Cavan 6,000
Donegal v Clare 5,000
Tyrone v Cork n/a as along with Hurling.
Kerry v Louth 6,000
Monaghan v Meath 5,000.
Not sure about HQ thinking again as its a 3 year programme. No doubt there will be a load of new systems being floated next year.
Mind you a bit of reduced pricing and marketing would be no harm.
One of the main requirements for the Committee which proposed this system was providing more games in Summer for the players. It does that.
Crowds have been around the same averages as the old knockout Qualifiers.
I recall a double header in Portlaoise on a hot day in 2018 where we played Armagh and Tyrone played Cork where the attendance didn't reach 10k.
So it's not as if there's been a massive drop in crowds. The 11k in Croker has a lot of folk wound up but a double header we were involved in there in 2022 had around 13k." Marketing is key, need to get more bums on seats and championship matches in the summer should have more be getting more than spring time NFL games.
Should it really be hopeful for 15k to turn up to see Dublin v Mayo when its known the winner will be into the All Ireland quarter. In the Connacht semi final between Mayo and Roscommon with just a provincial final on offer got 14k in attendance in the same venue.
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "Marketing is key, need to get more bums on seats and championship matches in the summer should have more be getting more than spring time NFL games.
Should it really be hopeful for 15k to turn up to see Dublin v Mayo when its known the winner will be into the All Ireland quarter. In the Connacht semi final between Mayo and Roscommon with just a provincial final on offer got 14k in attendance in the same venue." "Just a Provincial Final on offer" !!???
You get a nice shiny Cup for winning a Provincial Final.
You get nothing for winning a Qtr Final except staying in the race, which we'd take too of course.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1624 - 05/06/2024 10:26:59
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Looking at the fixtures and venues a lot of games will only get NFL regulars I'd fear.
My guesstimates...
Galway v Armagh 7,000
Derry v Westmeath 4,000
Dublin v Mayo hopefully 15k
Ros v Cavan 6,000
Donegal v Clare 5,000
Tyrone v Cork n/a as along with Hurling.
Kerry v Louth 6,000
Monaghan v Meath 5,000.
Not sure about HQ thinking again as its a 3 year programme. No doubt there will be a load of new systems being floated next year.
Mind you a bit of reduced pricing and marketing would be no harm.
One of the main requirements for the Committee which proposed this system was providing more games in Summer for the players. It does that.
Crowds have been around the same averages as the old knockout Qualifiers.
I recall a double header in Portlaoise on a hot day in 2018 where we played Armagh and Tyrone played Cork where the attendance didn't reach 10k.
So it's not as if there's been a massive drop in crowds. The 11k in Croker has a lot of folk wound up but a double header we were involved in there in 2022 had around 13k." You could be right. Only around 7,000 at Roscommon Kildare in the last game last year in Tullamore.
I remember that Armagh match, brilliant game and an unreal day, think the Slieve Bloom's were up in a blaze in the distance. Yea attendance was poor for a double header.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 918 - 05/06/2024 11:31:52
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Looking at the fixtures and venues a lot of games will only get NFL regulars I'd fear.
My guesstimates...
Galway v Armagh 7,000
Derry v Westmeath 4,000
Dublin v Mayo hopefully 15k
Ros v Cavan 6,000
Donegal v Clare 5,000
Tyrone v Cork n/a as along with Hurling.
Kerry v Louth 6,000
Monaghan v Meath 5,000.
Not sure about HQ thinking again as its a 3 year programme. No doubt there will be a load of new systems being floated next year.
Mind you a bit of reduced pricing and marketing would be no harm.
One of the main requirements for the Committee which proposed this system was providing more games in Summer for the players. It does that.
Crowds have been around the same averages as the old knockout Qualifiers.
I recall a double header in Portlaoise on a hot day in 2018 where we played Armagh and Tyrone played Cork where the attendance didn't reach 10k.
So it's not as if there's been a massive drop in crowds. The 11k in Croker has a lot of folk wound up but a double header we were involved in there in 2022 had around 13k." Mayo can get over 10k at league games, Dubs in championship out of Croke Park, as close to home territory as you can get. Hyde Park holds 18,890 according to wikipedia, surely that sells out, no?
dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 350 - 05/06/2024 11:56:04
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Replying To dahayeser: "Mayo can get over 10k at league games, Dubs in championship out of Croke Park, as close to home territory as you can get. Hyde Park holds 18,890 according to wikipedia, surely that sells out, no?" Forget Wikipedia Hyde now licensed for 23,000 (or 23,900 per our local paper).
Around 4,000 Meeyos were in Hyde last Saturday and around 8,000 Jackeens went to Breffni.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1624 - 05/06/2024 12:01:01
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: ""Just a Provincial Final on offer" !!???
You get a nice shiny Cup for winning a Provincial Final.
You get nothing for winning a Qtr Final except staying in the race, which we'd take too of course." I get a trophy is nice to win but that match only got you into the final and no guarantee to win it as Mayo found out!
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3404 - 05/06/2024 13:51:38
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Mayo and Dublin have the highest number of people with season tickets and county passes. Not sure of what the total is but be close enough between them to 20,000 I would imagine?
Not all will take the option but it will guarantee a big crowd close to that and possibly exceeding demand. Its by far the biggest draw in football, league or championship, outside of finals.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2852 - 05/06/2024 13:55:53
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "Mayo and Dublin have the highest number of people with season tickets and county passes. Not sure of what the total is but be close enough between them to 20,000 I would imagine?
Not all will take the option but it will guarantee a big crowd close to that and possibly exceeding demand. Its by far the biggest draw in football, league or championship, outside of finals." They'll do well to get 15K for it. It's not a knockout game and both teams potentially will have 3 or 4 more games to play after it. Neither team will be full strength. Though hopefully the lack of jeopardy might produce a cracking game. I think a lot of supporters will skip thay game and wait fir the knockout games.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7445 - 05/06/2024 14:54:16
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