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Replying To WEXILE_AGAIN: "Good news on Chins hamstring, he's putting in full sessions with the squad this past few weeks and feeling fit and raring to go. Hopefully he has no more set backs" That's something anyhow. Unfortunately Liam Ryan won't be back for 5/6 weeks yet as he has 2 tears in a muscle. And Rory is looking very doubtful for the championship with the Achilles tendon problem
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "They've a habit of that with the Twitter account, know someone who was blocked who just asked why there was no updates on the score of a county minor football game." What was the minor football game, or how long ago was it? I know both of this year's were on Twitter anyway. I always end up looking at Twitter myself, whether I'm at the match or not.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "What was the minor football game, or how long ago was it? I know both of this year's were on Twitter anyway. I always end up looking at Twitter myself, whether I'm at the match or not." Ah it was a good few years ago probably 7 or 8 but still know they blocked someone for that.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 06/04/2024 10:56:23
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Replying To Purpleandgold72: "That's something anyhow. Unfortunately Liam Ryan won't be back for 5/6 weeks yet as he has 2 tears in a muscle. And Rory is looking very doubtful for the championship with the Achilles tendon problem" Where did you hear this?rossiter said a few weeks ago. That they are back training
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Replying To hunting: "Where did you hear this?rossiter said a few weeks ago. That they are back training" Heard from a family member. Liam might be back for the Galway game.
Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 225 - 06/04/2024 11:37:13
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Replying To hunting: "Where did you hear this?rossiter said a few weeks ago. That they are back training" And Rory suffered a recurrence in training recently.
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Massive blows to lose Ryan and Rory as well as oisin foley and DOK.i heard Rory was hurling the weekend so must just happened this week, hopefully it not to serious with Rory
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1012 - 06/04/2024 11:51:22
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Replying To Purpleandgold72: "That's something anyhow. Unfortunately Liam Ryan won't be back for 5/6 weeks yet as he has 2 tears in a muscle. And Rory is looking very doubtful for the championship with the Achilles tendon problem" That's genuinely devastating about jippo.
I've heard Rory isn't coming back for reasons entirely unrelated to injury.
I feel for Rossi at this stage. I was confident with everyone onboard but this is a real challenge now.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "That's genuinely devastating about jippo.
I've heard Rory isn't coming back for reasons entirely unrelated to injury.
I feel for Rossi at this stage. I was confident with everyone onboard but this is a real challenge now." Where did u hear that, Rory was hurling last weekend
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1012 - 06/04/2024 13:35:26
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A lot of interesting conversations here regarding progress at various grades
I would agree that news of Liam R , Rory and Oisin F are very concerning at this stage only a few weeks out.
On a more general topic I do think that the constant elephant in the room when it comes to the development of our hurlers and hurling teams is the dual issue.
Wexfords approach to gaelic games is very admirable with the opportunity players get to play both in clubs in wexford with the exception of a few clubs but the bottom line is we are now a county who is mediocre at hurling and worse again at football - the dual approach is admirable but it doesn't lead to success at either game.
Look at the main teams we are competing with in Leinstet -
KK - hurling is all they focus on
Galway - Galway is spilt geographically between hurling and football areas so very few of the hurlers devote any time to football
Dublin - Similar to ourselves in a way but still a good core of their main hurlers don't play any football anymore
Look at the main counties outside of Leinster'
Limerick - hurling all the way
Tipperary- hurling only for 90% of the hurlers there
Clare - they are making a better stab at being dual but importantly none of their main men play football
Waterford - Hurling all the way with very little focus on football
Cork - a county that is geographically split between hurling and football areas much like Galway and Offaly.
We have hurled well against KK in the last few years but those stand alone performances have really masked over a pretty dire few years since 2019. KKs record at every grade of intercounty and Club is so far ahead of Wexfords it is shameful but when they focus on one sport that record shouldn't surprise us.
Our club championships will again see fellas play for about 10 weekends in a row swapping the hurl for the football every few weeks, how can we expect to improve standards when that's the case ??
The most successful hurling clubs in this county focus only on hurling - Oulart - Buffers Alley- Rathnure - obviously we are talking about historic success with the last 2. Oulart again this year when they saw the change in format pulled their Junior football team out of the championship which was disrespectful in the extreme but they have a plan Their underage is flying again and give it a few years and they'll be back climbing it steps of the stand while their competitors beat the tar out of each other playing football every other week.
In summary in my opinion until a proper conversation is had as regards what we want to achieve as a county and where the dual approach sits in that we will not be competing at the top table for the foreseeable future.
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Replying To hunting: "Where did you hear this?rossiter said a few weeks ago. That they are back training" He didn't say Jippo was back training. Rory is only doing non contact training. A friend who is a friend of John's said Rory is doubtful for the Dublin game.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12889 - 06/04/2024 14:53:36
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Replying To OasisorBlur: "A lot of interesting conversations here regarding progress at various grades
I would agree that news of Liam R , Rory and Oisin F are very concerning at this stage only a few weeks out.
On a more general topic I do think that the constant elephant in the room when it comes to the development of our hurlers and hurling teams is the dual issue.
Wexfords approach to gaelic games is very admirable with the opportunity players get to play both in clubs in wexford with the exception of a few clubs but the bottom line is we are now a county who is mediocre at hurling and worse again at football - the dual approach is admirable but it doesn't lead to success at either game.
Look at the main teams we are competing with in Leinstet -
KK - hurling is all they focus on
Galway - Galway is spilt geographically between hurling and football areas so very few of the hurlers devote any time to football
Dublin - Similar to ourselves in a way but still a good core of their main hurlers don't play any football anymore
Look at the main counties outside of Leinster'
Limerick - hurling all the way
Tipperary- hurling only for 90% of the hurlers there
Clare - they are making a better stab at being dual but importantly none of their main men play football
Waterford - Hurling all the way with very little focus on football
Cork - a county that is geographically split between hurling and football areas much like Galway and Offaly.
We have hurled well against KK in the last few years but those stand alone performances have really masked over a pretty dire few years since 2019. KKs record at every grade of intercounty and Club is so far ahead of Wexfords it is shameful but when they focus on one sport that record shouldn't surprise us.
Our club championships will again see fellas play for about 10 weekends in a row swapping the hurl for the football every few weeks, how can we expect to improve standards when that's the case ??
The most successful hurling clubs in this county focus only on hurling - Oulart - Buffers Alley- Rathnure - obviously we are talking about historic success with the last 2. Oulart again this year when they saw the change in format pulled their Junior football team out of the championship which was disrespectful in the extreme but they have a plan Their underage is flying again and give it a few years and they'll be back climbing it steps of the stand while their competitors beat the tar out of each other playing football every other week.
In summary in my opinion until a proper conversation is had as regards what we want to achieve as a county and where the dual approach sits in that we will not be competing at the top table for the foreseeable future." Absolute agree Oasis. The question Wexford need to ask is do we continue to promote both and be a county that gives everyone a chance to play both our national games which is admirable or chase success in one. In fairness the co board released a document before Christmas raising some of the issues.
By the way Clare is split geographically for hurling and football also.
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Replying To Doylerwex: "That's genuinely devastating about jippo.
I've heard Rory isn't coming back for reasons entirely unrelated to injury.
I feel for Rossi at this stage. I was confident with everyone onboard but this is a real challenge now." There might be other lads injured too. And some of those named here might play. Silly season for rumours!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12889 - 06/04/2024 14:56:12
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Absolute agree Oasis. The question Wexford need to ask is do we continue to promote both and be a county that gives everyone a chance to play both our national games which is admirable or chase success in one. In fairness the co board released a document before Christmas raising some of the issues.
By the way Clare is split geographically for hurling and football also." Correct it is.
OasisorBlur (Wexford) - Posts: 37 - 06/04/2024 15:01:20
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Replying To OasisorBlur: "A lot of interesting conversations here regarding progress at various grades
I would agree that news of Liam R , Rory and Oisin F are very concerning at this stage only a few weeks out.
On a more general topic I do think that the constant elephant in the room when it comes to the development of our hurlers and hurling teams is the dual issue.
Wexfords approach to gaelic games is very admirable with the opportunity players get to play both in clubs in wexford with the exception of a few clubs but the bottom line is we are now a county who is mediocre at hurling and worse again at football - the dual approach is admirable but it doesn't lead to success at either game.
Look at the main teams we are competing with in Leinstet -
KK - hurling is all they focus on
Galway - Galway is spilt geographically between hurling and football areas so very few of the hurlers devote any time to football
Dublin - Similar to ourselves in a way but still a good core of their main hurlers don't play any football anymore
Look at the main counties outside of Leinster'
Limerick - hurling all the way
Tipperary- hurling only for 90% of the hurlers there
Clare - they are making a better stab at being dual but importantly none of their main men play football
Waterford - Hurling all the way with very little focus on football
Cork - a county that is geographically split between hurling and football areas much like Galway and Offaly.
We have hurled well against KK in the last few years but those stand alone performances have really masked over a pretty dire few years since 2019. KKs record at every grade of intercounty and Club is so far ahead of Wexfords it is shameful but when they focus on one sport that record shouldn't surprise us.
Our club championships will again see fellas play for about 10 weekends in a row swapping the hurl for the football every few weeks, how can we expect to improve standards when that's the case ??
The most successful hurling clubs in this county focus only on hurling - Oulart - Buffers Alley- Rathnure - obviously we are talking about historic success with the last 2. Oulart again this year when they saw the change in format pulled their Junior football team out of the championship which was disrespectful in the extreme but they have a plan Their underage is flying again and give it a few years and they'll be back climbing it steps of the stand while their competitors beat the tar out of each other playing football every other week.
In summary in my opinion until a proper conversation is had as regards what we want to achieve as a county and where the dual approach sits in that we will not be competing at the top table for the foreseeable future." The dual issue is a factor but not the only factor. As regards the counties above more of the Tipp and Limerick panels play club football than you think, but yes in general your point is valid. Starting this year there are no dual county players at u14. The football and hurling panels are completely seperate which is a step in the right direction.
A bigger issue is that many clubs up to u12 are still only training once a week. So that's only 2 hurling and 2 football session a month, along with 4 matches. As far as I've seen over the last few years this is the biggest issue, and is where we are behind most of the other top counties.
As regards who is the best club side, or sides, that goes in cycles. All 3 of the clubs you mention have been Intermediate at hurling in the last 3 years. Oulart have been good at underage recently, as have Gorey, Barntown, Oylegate, Castletown etc. But that changes for most clubs every couple of years also. Harriers are also hurling only and haven't won much at Senior in the recent past. Clubs like Shels and St Anne's are competing well in both codes, and Rathangan isn't a huge Parish by any stretch.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12889 - 06/04/2024 15:09:57
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Replying To OasisorBlur: "A lot of interesting conversations here regarding progress at various grades
I would agree that news of Liam R , Rory and Oisin F are very concerning at this stage only a few weeks out.
On a more general topic I do think that the constant elephant in the room when it comes to the development of our hurlers and hurling teams is the dual issue.
Wexfords approach to gaelic games is very admirable with the opportunity players get to play both in clubs in wexford with the exception of a few clubs but the bottom line is we are now a county who is mediocre at hurling and worse again at football - the dual approach is admirable but it doesn't lead to success at either game.
Look at the main teams we are competing with in Leinstet -
KK - hurling is all they focus on
Galway - Galway is spilt geographically between hurling and football areas so very few of the hurlers devote any time to football
Dublin - Similar to ourselves in a way but still a good core of their main hurlers don't play any football anymore
Look at the main counties outside of Leinster'
Limerick - hurling all the way
Tipperary- hurling only for 90% of the hurlers there
Clare - they are making a better stab at being dual but importantly none of their main men play football
Waterford - Hurling all the way with very little focus on football
Cork - a county that is geographically split between hurling and football areas much like Galway and Offaly.
We have hurled well against KK in the last few years but those stand alone performances have really masked over a pretty dire few years since 2019. KKs record at every grade of intercounty and Club is so far ahead of Wexfords it is shameful but when they focus on one sport that record shouldn't surprise us.
Our club championships will again see fellas play for about 10 weekends in a row swapping the hurl for the football every few weeks, how can we expect to improve standards when that's the case ??
The most successful hurling clubs in this county focus only on hurling - Oulart - Buffers Alley- Rathnure - obviously we are talking about historic success with the last 2. Oulart again this year when they saw the change in format pulled their Junior football team out of the championship which was disrespectful in the extreme but they have a plan Their underage is flying again and give it a few years and they'll be back climbing it steps of the stand while their competitors beat the tar out of each other playing football every other week.
In summary in my opinion until a proper conversation is had as regards what we want to achieve as a county and where the dual approach sits in that we will not be competing at the top table for the foreseeable future." 2 hurling focussed clubs Rathnure and the Alley (who to be fair are at least doing a little football now) are both intermediate and the other Oulart is only back up from that grade.
It's nigh on 20years since rathnure won a senior title whilst The Alley are 30 years plus without one but yep lads playing a bit of football is the problem alright.
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Absolute agree Oasis. The question Wexford need to ask is do we continue to promote both and be a county that gives everyone a chance to play both our national games which is admirable or chase success in one. In fairness the co board released a document before Christmas raising some of the issues.
By the way Clare is split geographically for hurling and football also." West Clare is predominantly Football. Mustn't forget that soccer is much bigger in Wexford than most of the other top hurling counties also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12889 - 06/04/2024 15:12:15
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Replying To wexfordwin: "Absolute agree Oasis. The question Wexford need to ask is do we continue to promote both and be a county that gives everyone a chance to play both our national games which is admirable or chase success in one. In fairness the co board released a document before Christmas raising some of the issues.
By the way Clare is split geographically for hurling and football also." I also agree 100% and it's a point I've made myself sometimes in the past.
I think it's particularly relevant at underage level, including U20. For example, there's been a lot of talk here lately about how our U19 & U20 hurling sides fared against Kilkenny. But fact is, all our players of that age have probably spent around 40% or more of their time with their clubs playing football since they first started playing. The Kilkenny lads, probably no more than 10%, and even that's probably a push.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I also agree 100% and it's a point I've made myself sometimes in the past.
I think it's particularly relevant at underage level, including U20. For example, there's been a lot of talk here lately about how our U19 & U20 hurling sides fared against Kilkenny. But fact is, all our players of that age have probably spent around 40% or more of their time with their clubs playing football since they first started playing. The Kilkenny lads, probably no more than 10%, and even that's probably a push." Most Kilkenny lads play football up to u12. It's when they get to their teens that most do more hurling. More probably hurl at home, or outside of training, which is a big difference. Culture boss!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12889 - 06/04/2024 15:46:23
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Replying To OasisorBlur: "A lot of interesting conversations here regarding progress at various grades
I would agree that news of Liam R , Rory and Oisin F are very concerning at this stage only a few weeks out.
On a more general topic I do think that the constant elephant in the room when it comes to the development of our hurlers and hurling teams is the dual issue.
Wexfords approach to gaelic games is very admirable with the opportunity players get to play both in clubs in wexford with the exception of a few clubs but the bottom line is we are now a county who is mediocre at hurling and worse again at football - the dual approach is admirable but it doesn't lead to success at either game.
Look at the main teams we are competing with in Leinstet -
KK - hurling is all they focus on
Galway - Galway is spilt geographically between hurling and football areas so very few of the hurlers devote any time to football
Dublin - Similar to ourselves in a way but still a good core of their main hurlers don't play any football anymore
Look at the main counties outside of Leinster'
Limerick - hurling all the way
Tipperary- hurling only for 90% of the hurlers there
Clare - they are making a better stab at being dual but importantly none of their main men play football
Waterford - Hurling all the way with very little focus on football
Cork - a county that is geographically split between hurling and football areas much like Galway and Offaly.
We have hurled well against KK in the last few years but those stand alone performances have really masked over a pretty dire few years since 2019. KKs record at every grade of intercounty and Club is so far ahead of Wexfords it is shameful but when they focus on one sport that record shouldn't surprise us.
Our club championships will again see fellas play for about 10 weekends in a row swapping the hurl for the football every few weeks, how can we expect to improve standards when that's the case ??
The most successful hurling clubs in this county focus only on hurling - Oulart - Buffers Alley- Rathnure - obviously we are talking about historic success with the last 2. Oulart again this year when they saw the change in format pulled their Junior football team out of the championship which was disrespectful in the extreme but they have a plan Their underage is flying again and give it a few years and they'll be back climbing it steps of the stand while their competitors beat the tar out of each other playing football every other week.
In summary in my opinion until a proper conversation is had as regards what we want to achieve as a county and where the dual approach sits in that we will not be competing at the top table for the foreseeable future." 99% of the players in the county are club players. Realistically they probably all support the county teams, but Wexford winning an all Ireland in hurling or football isn't going to change there approach to the club game. If a players feels like playing hurling or football for his club, he is going to do so, whether we are successful or not on the intercounty stage is irrelevant. As I have said the vast majority of players club players, why should they lose out on playing both codes because we are not successful lately. Trying to blame hurling or football which does happen in different parts of the county is only an excuse and I bet you the winner of the senior hurling championship in Wexford will be a dual club
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