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Replying To Viking66:  "2 years ago you won the u20 AI"
Yes. Don't remember any diving or manufacturing frees

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 152 - 30/05/2024 10:53:32    2548323

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Hmmm. I looked into the semi-final permutations a bit further last night, and turns out that I'm both right and wrong.

Right in how I set out the overall scheme, e.g. how under normal circumstances, the Leinster champions would play the emerging from the games involving the Munster runners-up, the third-placed team in Leinster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.

Wrong in that repeat pairings from provincial championships are indeed to be avoided at semi-final stage, where possible.

So in the example above, let's say Wexford emerged from the games involving Clare/Wexford/Laois, and Cork emerged from the games involving Dublin/Cork/Offaly - the semi-finals wouldn't be Kilkenny v Wexford and Limerick v Cork after all, but would instead be Kilkenny v Cork and Limerick v Wexford.

The regulations are murky on what happens if two teams from the same province emerge from the preliminary quarter-finals and quarter-finals. Let's say Wexford and Dublin do so from the example given. That would leave Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin and LImerick in the semi-finals.

It's unclear whether they'd then stick with the overall master scheme (which would mean Kilkenny v Wexford, and Limerick v Dublin), or whether there'd be a draw to see which of the other two Leinster teams would play Kilkenny.

The only precedent here is 2018, when there were three Munster teams in the semi-finals (only year since this system was introduced that the semi-finals featured three teams from the same province).

Limerick played Cork in a semi-final that year, and that fits the pattern of Munster champions (Cork) playing the team that emerges from Leinster runner-up (Kilkenny), Munster third place (Limerick), and Joe McDonagh Cup (Carlow).

Unclear however whether they happened that way because of Rule, or whether there was a draw which just happened to turn out that way anyway.

We're getting ahead of ourselves a little bit, but if we do end up facing into a quarter-final and the possibility of a semi-final against a provincial champion, clarity should probably be sought then all right on what happens if the semi-finals end up with three teams from the same province."
Limerick played Cork in the 2018 All Ireland semi final as Cork and Clare contested the Munster final and that repeat paring was not allowed in the Semi Final. Similarly Galway were not allowed to play Cork as they were both Provincial Champions so there was no need for a draw it just sorted itself out.

LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 69 - 30/05/2024 11:13:54    2548329

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Replying To wexford2012:  "100% but Kilkenny have always been masters of the darker arts too and it the combination that makes them the side that they have been"
Adrian Ronan was one of the best !

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 160 - 30/05/2024 11:15:05    2548330

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Wexford v Clare all ireland minor hurling 1/4 final.
Venue Thurles Time 3.00pm Monday next.
Live streamed on TG4 sport.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 364 - 30/05/2024 11:31:08    2548336

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "Yes. Don't remember any diving or manufacturing frees"
Me neither and I saw 2 of your games that year

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12821 - 30/05/2024 11:43:47    2548340

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Can I ask ye are we too soft and too nice Galway game we had a point 100 percent over the bar Padraig mannion scored a point well wide point against Carlow well wide and a penalty that wasn't a penalty there has been nothing said about it in pods I've listen to penalty was a joke and has in the end cost us a place in a Leinster final

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 284 - 30/05/2024 11:46:43    2548341

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Replying To Viking66:  "Me neither and I saw 2 of your games that year"
Kilkenny deserved to win the under 20 that year. We missed a great chance to level it near the end of the Leinster final

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 314 - 30/05/2024 12:03:57    2548347

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Replying To Wexfordgaa:  "Can I ask ye are we too soft and too nice Galway game we had a point 100 percent over the bar Padraig mannion scored a point well wide point against Carlow well wide and a penalty that wasn't a penalty there has been nothing said about it in pods I've listen to penalty was a joke and has in the end cost us a place in a Leinster final"
I don't know about soft but definitely too many excuses year after year.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 152 - 30/05/2024 12:11:47    2548349

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Sometimes I think about things so much that I don't think of everything!

Yes, as several have pointed out, if it happened to be Kilkenny, Dublin, Wexford and Limerick in the semi-finals, then there wouldn't need to be a draw to see which repeat Leinster pairing is avoided. First priority is to avoid a repeat of the provincial final (Kilkenny v Dublin), so in those circumstances, semis would be Kilkenny v Wexford and Limerick v Dublin.

Similarly if the semi-finals end up involving Kilkenny, Limerick, Clare and Cork. First priority with avoiding repeat Munster pairings would be to avoid a repeat of the Muster Final, so semis would be Limerick v Cork and Kilkenny v Clare.

It all means that a draw won't be necessary for the semi-finals, no matter who's in them. So I'm telling myself that I was right all along..... :)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 30/05/2024 12:14:48    2548352

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Replying To Wexfordgaa:  "Can I ask ye are we too soft and too nice Galway game we had a point 100 percent over the bar Padraig mannion scored a point well wide point against Carlow well wide and a penalty that wasn't a penalty there has been nothing said about it in pods I've listen to penalty was a joke and has in the end cost us a place in a Leinster final"
I don't know about soft but definitely too many excuses year after year.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 152 - 30/05/2024 12:18:45    2548354

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "Yes. Don't remember any diving or manufacturing frees"
You might want another look at the tape of that campaign so. Lyng managed that squad too, and I noticed a discernable tactic of manufacturing frees, because Drennan rarely missed, and KK hadn't a forward group that was going to score a pile from play. Drennan scored 14 frees to Galway's 6 in a semifinal that KK won by a point, for example.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3604 - 30/05/2024 12:31:59    2548359

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Sometimes I think about things so much that I don't think of everything!

Yes, as several have pointed out, if it happened to be Kilkenny, Dublin, Wexford and Limerick in the semi-finals, then there wouldn't need to be a draw to see which repeat Leinster pairing is avoided. First priority is to avoid a repeat of the provincial final (Kilkenny v Dublin), so in those circumstances, semis would be Kilkenny v Wexford and Limerick v Dublin.

Similarly if the semi-finals end up involving Kilkenny, Limerick, Clare and Cork. First priority with avoiding repeat Munster pairings would be to avoid a repeat of the Muster Final, so semis would be Limerick v Cork and Kilkenny v Clare.

It all means that a draw won't be necessary for the semi-finals, no matter who's in them. So I'm telling myself that I was right all along..... :)"
Dont think thats true about a draw will not be necessary in any scenario. If us and Cork win the quarters there will be no repeat of the provincial finals so a draw would be needed?

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 314 - 30/05/2024 12:33:02    2548361

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Replying To Wexfordgaa:  "Can I ask ye are we too soft and too nice Galway game we had a point 100 percent over the bar Padraig mannion scored a point well wide point against Carlow well wide and a penalty that wasn't a penalty there has been nothing said about it in pods I've listen to penalty was a joke and has in the end cost us a place in a Leinster final"
What's there to be gained from going on about it?

Plus looking back at our games I can think of many other reasons we aren't in leinster final.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 30/05/2024 12:52:59    2548369

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "You might want another look at the tape of that campaign so. Lyng managed that squad too, and I noticed a discernable tactic of manufacturing frees, because Drennan rarely missed, and KK hadn't a forward group that was going to score a pile from play. Drennan scored 14 frees to Galway's 6 in a semifinal that KK won by a point, for example."
Wow.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 152 - 30/05/2024 13:44:47    2548391

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Dont think thats true about a draw will not be necessary in any scenario. If us and Cork win the quarters there will be no repeat of the provincial finals so a draw would be needed?"
No. That's what I previously thought, when I said it was murky about what would happen in that situation. But the way it would actually work is:

- First stipulation is that provincial finals pairings should be avoided. That wouldn't be an issue anyway if the four teams involved were Kilkenny, Limerick, Cork, and Wexford.
- Next stipulation is that any previous meeting should be avoided. In that case, since Limerick have already met Cork, and Wexford have already met Kilkenny, you couldn't have those pairings again. This means the semi-finals would be Limerick v Wexford and Cork v Kilkenny.

So no need for a draw.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 30/05/2024 13:45:15    2548392

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Replying To tearintom:  "What's there to be gained from going on about it?

Plus looking back at our games I can think of many other reasons we aren't in leinster final."
Exactly, we are.not in Leinster final because we fell asleep against Dublin and Antrim.

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 291 - 30/05/2024 13:46:40    2548393

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Replying To tearintom:  "What's there to be gained from going on about it?

Plus looking back at our games I can think of many other reasons we aren't in leinster final."
Exactly we are not in a Leinster final because of falling asleep in injury time against Dublin, we collapsed against Antrim and went completely out of the game for 25 minutes against Kilkenny . We need to stop blaming referees etc it's entirely our own fault. Our focus needs to be on replicating the intensity , workrate and good hurling we showed for the full Galway game and first 25 minutes against Kilkenny . We will need our best performance of the year if we are to win a quarter final

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 314 - 30/05/2024 14:10:05    2548402

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Replying To WEXILE:  "Exactly, we are.not in Leinster final because we fell asleep against Dublin and Antrim."
Ah, but even if we were in a Leinster Final, we'd be wondering about who we might come up against in a quarter-final or semi-final. So we may well have been having the same discussion anyway. :)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 30/05/2024 14:30:52    2548405

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Kilkenny deserved to win the under 20 that year. We missed a great chance to level it near the end of the Leinster final"
Jack Redmond? Hopefully he has a great club championship. A neighbour of mine was talking to him and he said he's been battling injuries the last year or so.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12821 - 30/05/2024 14:43:44    2548410

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Exactly we are not in a Leinster final because of falling asleep in injury time against Dublin, we collapsed against Antrim and went completely out of the game for 25 minutes against Kilkenny . We need to stop blaming referees etc it's entirely our own fault. Our focus needs to be on replicating the intensity , workrate and good hurling we showed for the full Galway game and first 25 minutes against Kilkenny . We will need our best performance of the year if we are to win a quarter final"
We need to get to one first

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12821 - 30/05/2024 14:44:43    2548412

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