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Replying To Viking66: "Agree its unlikely but you never know!" With Wexford anything is possible.
Our inconsistencies are legendary.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 364 - 29/05/2024 16:36:02
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Yeah, I agree here, Cody was a bit theatrical and made it look like Jippo had pulled him down by the back of his collar or had else squeezed the hurl around his neck, neither of which had actually happened
Tom Phelan did his best Swan Lake impression in the first half after a foul by Conor Foley down in the corner" Up or down the first penalty/black card incident wasn't because it first happened outside the 21, I had a look back at it, and the 2nd shouldn't have been awarded because Jippo wasn't the last man, in fact Cody was so isolated with the 3 Wexford defenders that when I looked back at it there wasn't even another Kilkenny man in the picture. And it was a good yard outside the area.
I suppose luck/decisions are supposed to even themselves out, we had the refereeing error for the Dublin goal when the puckout was took with no whistle, the penalty that wasn't against Kilkenny, Jackos rescinded red card, so maybe we are due a few decisions in the upcoming game(s);-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12821 - 29/05/2024 18:48:16
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In response to whether or not there'd be a draw for All-Ireland semi-finals - there won't be. The same system as always will apply.
The Leinster champions will play the team that emerges from the games involving the Munster runners-up, the third-placed team in Leinster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.
The Munster champions will play the team that emerges from the games involving the Leinster runners-up, the third-placed team in Munster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.
For example, say Kilkenny win Leinster, Limerick win Munster, and Offaly win the Joe McDonagh. Semi-finals would be:
- Kilkenny v Clare/Wexford/Laois
- Limerick v Dublin/Cork/Offaly
Basically, it's possible for two Leinster teams to face each other in one semi-final, and two Munster teams to face each other in the other one. It's just not possible to have repeats there of the provincial finals.
This has been the way since this system was introduced, and it'll apply again this year.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 29/05/2024 20:59:38
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So beat Offally/ Laois
Then if we can somehow get over Clare or Limerick we will be 70 minutes against Dublin or Kilkenny to get into an all Ireland final
We will have had a month to prepare for that quarter final while Clare and Limerick will not be looking past the Munster final
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 585 - 29/05/2024 21:46:20
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Replying To Pikeman96: "In response to whether or not there'd be a draw for All-Ireland semi-finals - there won't be. The same system as always will apply.
The Leinster champions will play the team that emerges from the games involving the Munster runners-up, the third-placed team in Leinster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.
The Munster champions will play the team that emerges from the games involving the Leinster runners-up, the third-placed team in Munster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.
For example, say Kilkenny win Leinster, Limerick win Munster, and Offaly win the Joe McDonagh. Semi-finals would be:
- Kilkenny v Clare/Wexford/Laois
- Limerick v Dublin/Cork/Offaly
Basically, it's possible for two Leinster teams to face each other in one semi-final, and two Munster teams to face each other in the other one. It's just not possible to have repeats there of the provincial finals.
This has been the way since this system was introduced, and it'll apply again this year." When was the last time that was applied Pikeman?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12821 - 29/05/2024 22:04:56
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Replying To Pikeman96: "In response to whether or not there'd be a draw for All-Ireland semi-finals - there won't be. The same system as always will apply.
The Leinster champions will play the team that emerges from the games involving the Munster runners-up, the third-placed team in Leinster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.
The Munster champions will play the team that emerges from the games involving the Leinster runners-up, the third-placed team in Munster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.
For example, say Kilkenny win Leinster, Limerick win Munster, and Offaly win the Joe McDonagh. Semi-finals would be:
- Kilkenny v Clare/Wexford/Laois
- Limerick v Dublin/Cork/Offaly
Basically, it's possible for two Leinster teams to face each other in one semi-final, and two Munster teams to face each other in the other one. It's just not possible to have repeats there of the provincial finals.
This has been the way since this system was introduced, and it'll apply again this year." It was never needed in any of the round robin years
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12821 - 29/05/2024 22:07:06
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Yeah, I agree here, Cody was a bit theatrical and made it look like Jippo had pulled him down by the back of his collar or had else squeezed the hurl around his neck, neither of which had actually happened
Tom Phelan did his best Swan Lake impression in the first half after a foul by Conor Foley down in the corner" Diving and manufacturing frees did not win KK 37 All Irelands
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 152 - 30/05/2024 01:04:57
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Replying To Newyorkkat: "Diving and manufacturing frees did not win KK 37 All Irelands" Absolutely not. But it won you that one game last weekend;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12821 - 30/05/2024 07:46:02
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Replying To Yellow: "So beat Offally/ Laois
Then if we can somehow get over Clare or Limerick we will be 70 minutes against Dublin or Kilkenny to get into an all Ireland final
We will have had a month to prepare for that quarter final while Clare and Limerick will not be looking past the Munster final" Hopefully this is the pathway. Hopefully the lads have a good 2 weeks preparation now ahead of Offaly/Laois. We need a good performance there to give us momentum. The Quarter final is a huge game . If we win that we would have huge momentum going in to play the Dubs/KK for a place in the All Ireland. We need our big men ROC, Chin and Mac firing if we are to progress now , backs need to be more disciplined in the tackle and we need to be more aggressive. If we can get these things right we have a chance.
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 314 - 30/05/2024 09:20:10
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Replying To Magpie2: "With Wexford anything is possible.
Our inconsistencies are legendary." Wexford - consistently inconsistent
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 74 - 30/05/2024 09:27:53
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Hmmm. I looked into the semi-final permutations a bit further last night, and turns out that I'm both right and wrong.
Right in how I set out the overall scheme, e.g. how under normal circumstances, the Leinster champions would play the emerging from the games involving the Munster runners-up, the third-placed team in Leinster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.
Wrong in that repeat pairings from provincial championships are indeed to be avoided at semi-final stage, where possible.
So in the example above, let's say Wexford emerged from the games involving Clare/Wexford/Laois, and Cork emerged from the games involving Dublin/Cork/Offaly - the semi-finals wouldn't be Kilkenny v Wexford and Limerick v Cork after all, but would instead be Kilkenny v Cork and Limerick v Wexford.
The regulations are murky on what happens if two teams from the same province emerge from the preliminary quarter-finals and quarter-finals. Let's say Wexford and Dublin do so from the example given. That would leave Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin and LImerick in the semi-finals.
It's unclear whether they'd then stick with the overall master scheme (which would mean Kilkenny v Wexford, and Limerick v Dublin), or whether there'd be a draw to see which of the other two Leinster teams would play Kilkenny.
The only precedent here is 2018, when there were three Munster teams in the semi-finals (only year since this system was introduced that the semi-finals featured three teams from the same province).
Limerick played Cork in a semi-final that year, and that fits the pattern of Munster champions (Cork) playing the team that emerges from Leinster runner-up (Kilkenny), Munster third place (Limerick), and Joe McDonagh Cup (Carlow).
Unclear however whether they happened that way because of Rule, or whether there was a draw which just happened to turn out that way anyway.
We're getting ahead of ourselves a little bit, but if we do end up facing into a quarter-final and the possibility of a semi-final against a provincial champion, clarity should probably be sought then all right on what happens if the semi-finals end up with three teams from the same province.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 30/05/2024 09:28:56
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Replying To Newyorkkat: "Diving and manufacturing frees did not win KK 37 All Irelands" 100% but Kilkenny have always been masters of the darker arts too and it the combination that makes them the side that they have been
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 74 - 30/05/2024 09:29:17
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Replying To Yellow: "So beat Offally/ Laois
Then if we can somehow get over Clare or Limerick we will be 70 minutes against Dublin or Kilkenny to get into an all Ireland final
We will have had a month to prepare for that quarter final while Clare and Limerick will not be looking past the Munster final" Agreed, that's what happened a couple of years back. We did have some terrible bad luck that day with injuries and a blatant penalty not given at the end. I think our panel is a lot stronger now too, we were completely reliant on a limping Lee Chin that day. Anyway, it's get the business done v Laois/Offaly and give Clare/Limerick everything we have in QF.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 248 - 30/05/2024 09:41:23
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Replying To Afinestick96: "Hopefully this is the pathway. Hopefully the lads have a good 2 weeks preparation now ahead of Offaly/Laois. We need a good performance there to give us momentum. The Quarter final is a huge game . If we win that we would have huge momentum going in to play the Dubs/KK for a place in the All Ireland. We need our big men ROC, Chin and Mac firing if we are to progress now , backs need to be more disciplined in the tackle and we need to be more aggressive. If we can get these things right we have a chance." More aggressive on the breaking ball in the middle third I should add. A 45/50 minute performance like Sunday will not suffice if we are to have any chance against Clare/Limerick. We need to hurl for the 70 minutes.
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 314 - 30/05/2024 09:42:07
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Hmmm. I looked into the semi-final permutations a bit further last night, and turns out that I'm both right and wrong.
Right in how I set out the overall scheme, e.g. how under normal circumstances, the Leinster champions would play the emerging from the games involving the Munster runners-up, the third-placed team in Leinster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.
Wrong in that repeat pairings from provincial championships are indeed to be avoided at semi-final stage, where possible.
So in the example above, let's say Wexford emerged from the games involving Clare/Wexford/Laois, and Cork emerged from the games involving Dublin/Cork/Offaly - the semi-finals wouldn't be Kilkenny v Wexford and Limerick v Cork after all, but would instead be Kilkenny v Cork and Limerick v Wexford.
The regulations are murky on what happens if two teams from the same province emerge from the preliminary quarter-finals and quarter-finals. Let's say Wexford and Dublin do so from the example given. That would leave Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin and LImerick in the semi-finals.
It's unclear whether they'd then stick with the overall master scheme (which would mean Kilkenny v Wexford, and Limerick v Dublin), or whether there'd be a draw to see which of the other two Leinster teams would play Kilkenny.
The only precedent here is 2018, when there were three Munster teams in the semi-finals (only year since this system was introduced that the semi-finals featured three teams from the same province).
Limerick played Cork in a semi-final that year, and that fits the pattern of Munster champions (Cork) playing the team that emerges from Leinster runner-up (Kilkenny), Munster third place (Limerick), and Joe McDonagh Cup (Carlow).
Unclear however whether they happened that way because of Rule, or whether there was a draw which just happened to turn out that way anyway.
We're getting ahead of ourselves a little bit, but if we do end up facing into a quarter-final and the possibility of a semi-final against a provincial champion, clarity should probably be sought then all right on what happens if the semi-finals end up with three teams from the same province." If its Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin and Limerick in the semi's it would be Us v the Leinster Champions and Limerick v KK/Dublin.
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 314 - 30/05/2024 09:45:51
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Replying To Newyorkkat: "Diving and manufacturing frees did not win KK 37 All Irelands" It won them their recent under20 crown, and that is for sure.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3604 - 30/05/2024 09:50:00
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "It won them their recent under20 crown, and that is for sure." Which under 20
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 152 - 30/05/2024 10:06:17
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Replying To Newyorkkat: "Which under 20" 2 years ago you won the u20 AI
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12821 - 30/05/2024 10:39:49
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Replying To Afinestick96: " Replying To Pikeman96: "Hmmm. I looked into the semi-final permutations a bit further last night, and turns out that I'm both right and wrong.
Right in how I set out the overall scheme, e.g. how under normal circumstances, the Leinster champions would play the emerging from the games involving the Munster runners-up, the third-placed team in Leinster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.
Wrong in that repeat pairings from provincial championships are indeed to be avoided at semi-final stage, where possible.
So in the example above, let's say Wexford emerged from the games involving Clare/Wexford/Laois, and Cork emerged from the games involving Dublin/Cork/Offaly - the semi-finals wouldn't be Kilkenny v Wexford and Limerick v Cork after all, but would instead be Kilkenny v Cork and Limerick v Wexford.
The regulations are murky on what happens if two teams from the same province emerge from the preliminary quarter-finals and quarter-finals. Let's say Wexford and Dublin do so from the example given. That would leave Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin and LImerick in the semi-finals.
It's unclear whether they'd then stick with the overall master scheme (which would mean Kilkenny v Wexford, and Limerick v Dublin), or whether there'd be a draw to see which of the other two Leinster teams would play Kilkenny.
The only precedent here is 2018, when there were three Munster teams in the semi-finals (only year since this system was introduced that the semi-finals featured three teams from the same province).
Limerick played Cork in a semi-final that year, and that fits the pattern of Munster champions (Cork) playing the team that emerges from Leinster runner-up (Kilkenny), Munster third place (Limerick), and Joe McDonagh Cup (Carlow).
Unclear however whether they happened that way because of Rule, or whether there was a draw which just happened to turn out that way anyway.
We're getting ahead of ourselves a little bit, but if we do end up facing into a quarter-final and the possibility of a semi-final against a provincial champion, clarity should probably be sought then all right on what happens if the semi-finals end up with three teams from the same province." If its Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin and Limerick in the semi's it would be Us v the Leinster Champions and Limerick v KK/Dublin."
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12821 - 30/05/2024 10:40:58
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Hmmm. I looked into the semi-final permutations a bit further last night, and turns out that I'm both right and wrong.
Right in how I set out the overall scheme, e.g. how under normal circumstances, the Leinster champions would play the emerging from the games involving the Munster runners-up, the third-placed team in Leinster, and the Joe McDonagh Cup.
Wrong in that repeat pairings from provincial championships are indeed to be avoided at semi-final stage, where possible.
So in the example above, let's say Wexford emerged from the games involving Clare/Wexford/Laois, and Cork emerged from the games involving Dublin/Cork/Offaly - the semi-finals wouldn't be Kilkenny v Wexford and Limerick v Cork after all, but would instead be Kilkenny v Cork and Limerick v Wexford.
The regulations are murky on what happens if two teams from the same province emerge from the preliminary quarter-finals and quarter-finals. Let's say Wexford and Dublin do so from the example given. That would leave Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin and LImerick in the semi-finals.
It's unclear whether they'd then stick with the overall master scheme (which would mean Kilkenny v Wexford, and Limerick v Dublin), or whether there'd be a draw to see which of the other two Leinster teams would play Kilkenny.
The only precedent here is 2018, when there were three Munster teams in the semi-finals (only year since this system was introduced that the semi-finals featured three teams from the same province).
Limerick played Cork in a semi-final that year, and that fits the pattern of Munster champions (Cork) playing the team that emerges from Leinster runner-up (Kilkenny), Munster third place (Limerick), and Joe McDonagh Cup (Carlow).
Unclear however whether they happened that way because of Rule, or whether there was a draw which just happened to turn out that way anyway.
We're getting ahead of ourselves a little bit, but if we do end up facing into a quarter-final and the possibility of a semi-final against a provincial champion, clarity should probably be sought then all right on what happens if the semi-finals end up with three teams from the same province." In 2018 Limerick played Cork because Cork couldn't play Clare as they met in the Munster final.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12821 - 30/05/2024 10:43:04
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