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Replying To Viking66:  "Will that be watchable still later in the night? Won't be able to watch it live."
yeah I'd see no reason why it wouldn't.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 18/01/2024 15:53:27    2520840

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Good to see Wexford represenation in colleges competitions, it is important that they win though because these things are geographic in the main. So Carlow would have Wexford and Kilkenny players, Limerick will have Tipp/Clare/Limerick, Cork will have Cork since they never leave, and so on. Its one thing competing, its another thing beating teams made up from other counties.

An aside, on the topic of hurling in schools I was reading the local paper lately and St. Peters went down badly to "Offaly Schools". I have a bee in my bonnet about this, how are Offaly making that work and in Wexford it can't be made work, or every obstacle to making it work seems to be in place?

We have to give more players exposure to A-grade hurling across the county. not just in St. Peters, GCC and Enniscorthy CBS. It is not just in Wexford interest, it is in the interest of hurling across the province this one. It is not a good look for Wexford hurling and the structures in place to have a poor representation in school competitions.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1586 - 18/01/2024 16:41:37    2520851

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "yeah I'd see no reason why it wouldn't."
Brilliant thanks TFW. Might need a good game to watch to wind down after all the arguing I'm going to be listening to later!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 18/01/2024 17:05:10    2520858

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Good to see Wexford represenation in colleges competitions, it is important that they win though because these things are geographic in the main. So Carlow would have Wexford and Kilkenny players, Limerick will have Tipp/Clare/Limerick, Cork will have Cork since they never leave, and so on. Its one thing competing, its another thing beating teams made up from other counties.

An aside, on the topic of hurling in schools I was reading the local paper lately and St. Peters went down badly to "Offaly Schools". I have a bee in my bonnet about this, how are Offaly making that work and in Wexford it can't be made work, or every obstacle to making it work seems to be in place?

We have to give more players exposure to A-grade hurling across the county. not just in St. Peters, GCC and Enniscorthy CBS. It is not just in Wexford interest, it is in the interest of hurling across the province this one. It is not a good look for Wexford hurling and the structures in place to have a poor representation in school competitions."
That Offaly schools team is Offaly only schools team playing in PP Senior A though isn't it? As you say we have 3.
I think a part of the problem is that the schools who made up the combined schools team wanted to get up to Senior A themselves. And Enniscorthy are there now. Wexford CBS, Gorey, Bunclody, Adamstown, Ramsgrange etc have all moved up grades, or got better in their grade, also. Which they probably wouldn't have if there had of been a combined schools team.
I do agree that from a player development point of view for the county having more lads hurling at the highest grade would help the underage county teams. But I also think we still have issues with underage coaching standards at both club and county level, especially as regards basic skills between u8 and u12, and age tailored S an C from u14 upwards. There are people who think no S and C should be done before 18 or even 21. There are people in the county who think there's no need for an u6 grade to bridge the gap between nursery games and u8. There are others who feel that u12 should be completely non competitive. And then these same people wonder why the county has such a poor record at the top level. They blame individual intercounty managers or coaches or management teams, championship structures, duality of players, facilities, dwindling participation (while doing nothing to increase participation except throw obstacles, both financial and otherwise, in front of lads because they come from the wrong areas or families), standard of schools hurling coaching, etc, but never themselves or their attitudes.
We are gradually improving at underage, but it still has to be remembered that we haven't won a minor AI since a good few years before I was born, and I'm not exactly a young fella any more, whatever I try tell myself!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 18/01/2024 18:04:20    2520866

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Good to see Wexford represenation in colleges competitions, it is important that they win though because these things are geographic in the main. So Carlow would have Wexford and Kilkenny players, Limerick will have Tipp/Clare/Limerick, Cork will have Cork since they never leave, and so on. Its one thing competing, its another thing beating teams made up from other counties.

An aside, on the topic of hurling in schools I was reading the local paper lately and St. Peters went down badly to "Offaly Schools". I have a bee in my bonnet about this, how are Offaly making that work and in Wexford it can't be made work, or every obstacle to making it work seems to be in place?

We have to give more players exposure to A-grade hurling across the county. not just in St. Peters, GCC and Enniscorthy CBS. It is not just in Wexford interest, it is in the interest of hurling across the province this one. It is not a good look for Wexford hurling and the structures in place to have a poor representation in school competitions."
Fairly simply answered.

There are 9 schools in Leinster in Senior A. KK have 3, Wexford have 3, Offaly have 1 (first year up), Dublin have 2.
There are 4 combined teams, Dub north, Dub south, Offaly and Laois. You cant use schools who are already in the A comp. It would be logical to say that if Wexford cant use players from GCC, Peters and Enniscorthy, then they would be fairly weakened.

There are 17 in Senior B, of which Wexford have 3. Again, if these schools take that seriously, they may not wish to put much effort into a combined team. What set the Offaly schools team apart was it was essentially their minor team playing in the competition.

It was tried, and it didnt work. I wouldnt disagree that more exposure would be great, but they are getting a good bit with the 3 main schools there already.

james2011 (Wexford) - Posts: 615 - 18/01/2024 23:53:37    2520897

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All who didn't want Lee Chin playing tomorrow get their wish!

goreyll (Wexford) - Posts: 176 - 19/01/2024 21:42:04    2521043

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Stronger Kilkenny side named

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 19/01/2024 23:03:54    2521055

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Happy enough with the team for the kk match. Lee obviously wasn't right going off last weekend and with the league starting in a few weeks he should be ok it looked like more of a precaution. Theres a nice balance to this team with experienced lads on most lines to help out. Mcguckin,reck,foley,jacko all have lots of experience. These are the matches to be trying lads the results arent that important. No one will remember this. The kk team isnt strong. From my reckoning blanchfield and keoghan are the only starters from last year and theyre missing loads aswell so id expect a good game.

Slowandshortsighted (UK) - Posts: 73 - 20/01/2024 02:21:06    2521059

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Replying To Viking66:  "That Offaly schools team is Offaly only schools team playing in PP Senior A though isn't it? As you say we have 3.
I think a part of the problem is that the schools who made up the combined schools team wanted to get up to Senior A themselves. And Enniscorthy are there now. Wexford CBS, Gorey, Bunclody, Adamstown, Ramsgrange etc have all moved up grades, or got better in their grade, also. Which they probably wouldn't have if there had of been a combined schools team.
I do agree that from a player development point of view for the county having more lads hurling at the highest grade would help the underage county teams. But I also think we still have issues with underage coaching standards at both club and county level, especially as regards basic skills between u8 and u12, and age tailored S an C from u14 upwards. There are people who think no S and C should be done before 18 or even 21. There are people in the county who think there's no need for an u6 grade to bridge the gap between nursery games and u8. There are others who feel that u12 should be completely non competitive. And then these same people wonder why the county has such a poor record at the top level. They blame individual intercounty managers or coaches or management teams, championship structures, duality of players, facilities, dwindling participation (while doing nothing to increase participation except throw obstacles, both financial and otherwise, in front of lads because they come from the wrong areas or families), standard of schools hurling coaching, etc, but never themselves or their attitudes.
We are gradually improving at underage, but it still has to be remembered that we haven't won a minor AI since a good few years before I was born, and I'm not exactly a young fella any more, whatever I try tell myself!"
I would be completely against the combined schools as well. The schools should be where the these players get a level up from the coaching they receive in clubs - if we have combined schools its limiting the number of players that are exposed to this coaching. The only problem I see is that the schools finish way too early - St Peters are now out of hurling and football and its mid Jan but its a tough one to solve because of exams. Is there any secondary competitions that happen now? and do the schools continue on with training regardless?

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2191 - 20/01/2024 04:32:19    2521061

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Replying To Slowandshortsighted:  "Happy enough with the team for the kk match. Lee obviously wasn't right going off last weekend and with the league starting in a few weeks he should be ok it looked like more of a precaution. Theres a nice balance to this team with experienced lads on most lines to help out. Mcguckin,reck,foley,jacko all have lots of experience. These are the matches to be trying lads the results arent that important. No one will remember this. The kk team isnt strong. From my reckoning blanchfield and keoghan are the only starters from last year and theyre missing loads aswell so id expect a good game."
Conor Phelan was a starter last year.

But still the two sides seem to be taking a similar approach

It'll be good to see where we're at

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4387 - 20/01/2024 08:19:22    2521066

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Replying To Slowandshortsighted:  "Happy enough with the team for the kk match. Lee obviously wasn't right going off last weekend and with the league starting in a few weeks he should be ok it looked like more of a precaution. Theres a nice balance to this team with experienced lads on most lines to help out. Mcguckin,reck,foley,jacko all have lots of experience. These are the matches to be trying lads the results arent that important. No one will remember this. The kk team isnt strong. From my reckoning blanchfield and keoghan are the only starters from last year and theyre missing loads aswell so id expect a good game."
Darragh Corcoran could end up being their starting centreback come championship . Liam Blanchfield has started far more league and championship games for Kilkenny than Mcguckin has for us also. Conor Delaney as well. Tom phelan also started near enough every championship game for Kilkenny last year. Darren Brennan made his Kilkenny debut around 5 years ago. Along with David Blanchfield and Mossey Keoghan who I think you are referring to. Then they have Eoin Murphy and Billy Ryan on the bench. They have far more experienced players selected than we do.
We have Reck, and Kevin Foley who wasn't a regular starter the last 2 years, Jacko while around a long time wouldnt be a consistent starter for Wexford and apart from the 1st half against Antrim hasn't done much the last number of years, and Charlie has only ever started one championship game I think, against Galway only last last year. Conor Foley started more. Lawlor only made his championship debut last year as well.
Cathal Dunbar and Joe O Connor are the only players on our bench with championship starts. And neither would be nailed on starters either.
At the minute Kevin is in good form but Damien Reck is the only nailed on championship starter for 2024 on our panel for me.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 20/01/2024 09:03:40    2521072

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Replying To Viking66:  "Stronger Kilkenny side named"
Must be looking at the wrong team only regulars are phealen blanchfield and keoghan so wouldn't call that a stronger kk team?

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 437 - 20/01/2024 09:08:01    2521075

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Replying To zinny:  "I would be completely against the combined schools as well. The schools should be where the these players get a level up from the coaching they receive in clubs - if we have combined schools its limiting the number of players that are exposed to this coaching. The only problem I see is that the schools finish way too early - St Peters are now out of hurling and football and its mid Jan but its a tough one to solve because of exams. Is there any secondary competitions that happen now? and do the schools continue on with training regardless?"
It was mad the way the 2nd half of the Mels game went. Peters seemed to be stuck in the dressing room still, mentally. Not sure what games and training the lads have now. I suppose they will be starting club training in a few weeks.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 20/01/2024 09:43:16    2521077

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Replying To Tiger1:  "Must be looking at the wrong team only regulars are phealen blanchfield and keoghan so wouldn't call that a stronger kk team?"
We only have Damien Reck who started regularly when fit the last 2 years.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 20/01/2024 10:40:05    2521083

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Should be a tough game today in those conditions, hoping some of the younger lads show a bit bette today after having the Carlow game under there belt.

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 346 - 20/01/2024 10:49:54    2521086

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Replying To Viking66:  "It was mad the way the 2nd half of the Mels game went. Peters seemed to be stuck in the dressing room still, mentally. Not sure what games and training the lads have now. I suppose they will be starting club training in a few weeks."
i got some shock when i saw result, watched it on clubber up to 1/2 time, what the hell happened? cant bring myself to watch 2 thhalf now

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 3068 - 20/01/2024 11:02:35    2521088

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Replying To WexMurph:  "Should be a tough game today in those conditions, hoping some of the younger lads show a bit bette today after having the Carlow game under there belt."
We are going to need huge games out of the 2 O'Connors and Kevin Foley if we are going to be competitive. They would be the only lads starting apart from Damien Reck to play in a championship game more than 2 years ago. And Joe was away for nearly 2 years since. It's a very inexperienced Wexford team compared to Kilkennys. They have 3 starters from the AI final last year, along with Brennan, Delaney, Corcoran, Liam Blanchfield who have played in championship before, 3 of those going back to the last decade. Cody, Clifford and Doyle have played League before. Nearly sure Guilfoyle and Murphy are the only lads who haven't played Senior for Kilkenny before this year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 20/01/2024 11:33:22    2521093

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Replying To Stmunnsriver:  "i got some shock when i saw result, watched it on clubber up to 1/2 time, what the hell happened? cant bring myself to watch 2 thhalf now"
Bad viewing SMR

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 20/01/2024 11:33:52    2521094

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Replying To zinny:  "I would be completely against the combined schools as well. The schools should be where the these players get a level up from the coaching they receive in clubs - if we have combined schools its limiting the number of players that are exposed to this coaching. The only problem I see is that the schools finish way too early - St Peters are now out of hurling and football and its mid Jan but its a tough one to solve because of exams. Is there any secondary competitions that happen now? and do the schools continue on with training regardless?"
The main barrier to players at that age receiving the coaching level up they need, is the ridiculous rule preventing players from playing adult GAA until the year they turn 19. Very few counties prevent adult men from playing adult sport in the same way Wexford does. A year of playing and training at adult level when you're 17 or 18 is worth 5 years of underage training. It's a massive step up, and a vital part of a player's development curve. We are going to fall further behind other counties in both hurling and football by holding our young men back.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2587 - 20/01/2024 13:45:57    2521113

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Have to be happy with that first half.

Jacko and Richie going well. Foley and Ryan good at the back.

Wind a big factor but hurling well

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4387 - 20/01/2024 14:49:38    2521129

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