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Can Gaelic Football (Handball?) Be Saved?

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Replying To omahant: "How about a mandatory two line kick pass requirement to move the ball from own half to other half? - the defence has a choice - kick forward across both 65s OR across own 65 from behind own 45. Also not difficult to ref. This could be dubbed the "65-45 Rule", inspired by the relatively new and successful "50-22 Rule" in rugby union." Heaven help us….. ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3831 - 24/02/2024 07:51:35 2527804 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Get rid of the forward mark altogether… An attacker getting a free kick for catching a ball is ridiculous .. is this not what he is supposed to do..? The big wigs in the GAA have ruined the game with all their silly rule changes…. What nonsense will they come up with next to drive even more people away from the game..?" Offensive mark is an abomination. Still love watching Dubs but seeing lads instinctively calling a mark now and braking (not a typo) up exciting attacks is depressing, Takes whole joy out of the game. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3522 - 24/02/2024 08:32:31 2527806 Link
Replying To ecad123: "If the advanced mark was like winning a free I think it would improve things! I.e if a high ball is kicked in and won the play can progress like the advantage rule for a couple of seconds, I believe more goals and exciting play will come from it because teams can then go for broke knowing if nothing comes of it we go back for the mark! Would this work? I seen a couple of times where a mark was won and there was a goal scoring chance going to develop but the forward chose to take the mark because it was a guaranteed point, but if the play was let develop and then go back for the mark if the chance was lost I think it will incentive going for goals with abandonment. Which can only be good for the game!" Is this a wind up? TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8384 - 24/02/2024 09:16:15 2527810 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Offensive mark is an abomination. Still love watching Dubs but seeing lads instinctively calling a mark now and braking (not a typo) up exciting attacks is depressing, Takes whole joy out of the game." Totally agree Barney… the 'mark' is a cop out and only takes away from forward play.. players are taking marks as a get out and it totally slows the game down…. Get rid..! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3831 - 24/02/2024 10:10:42 2527816 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "Is this a wind up?" No trying to think outside the box, just seeing if there is a way to reward good long kick passing and catching, rather than just the keep ball hand passing game! ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 25/02/2024 12:58:43 2527980 Link
No need for any rule changes except getting rid of the Mark. If teams kept two or three good forwards in their forward line , ie Tyrone last night in the second half, it would be a less crowded and more open game. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2292 - 25/02/2024 14:27:04 2527987 Link
I disagree with Paul Flynn (https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/330968), tweaking the rules is not the attitude this committee should have going in. We need clever rule changes that make it far harder to get blankets in place so make 1x1 contest and quick movement of the ball the most effective way of playing the game again. In an short segment on the same program that night Jaralth Burns for me set a much better tone, saying he wants to see a new blueprint for how gaelic football is played. Since the early 00's and increased fitness the blueprint has increasingly been about blankets and possession. Rule changes have never really been implemented to tackle this. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 05/03/2024 14:14:35 2529932 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "No need for any rule changes except getting rid of the Mark. If teams kept two or three good forwards in their forward line , ie Tyrone last night in the second half, it would be a less crowded and more open game." Very true. Rules are an excuse for poor teams who would be poor even if they were on the pitch by themselves. But certainly the offensive mark should go as it slows the game down and actually benefits ultra defensive set up. Glad to see Dublin hardly using it all the last two games. One of worst offenders was Paddy Small and he's much more effective playing on front foot rather than sticking his hand up every time he catches the ball. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3522 - 05/03/2024 18:12:43 2529981 Link
Im not so sure If football rules need massive changes in my opinion Thars part of problem is that for number of years they change rules for the sake of it the forward mark must be the stupidest thing ever it's rubbish kick a ball 20 meters into players chest and u get rewarded with a free shot at a point get rid ,, I don't hear hurling people on about the amour of hand passing actually throws in hurling it's just as bad as football but nothing being done , in football if u get ball from goalie u can't give it back from kick out in hurling they hit it 2 full back and he hand passes straight back to goalie no one says a word I just think football people are 2 quick to give out about everything, maybe if majority of football matches were played from April to sept in good pitched it might help ball to be moved quicker not majorly of matches played jan to April ,, if they keep messing with rules and cards then players will eventually stop playing it's a simple game made difficult by people in power Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 1064 - 05/03/2024 18:50:24 2529989 Link
Replying To bdbuddah: "I disagree with Paul Flynn (https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/330968), tweaking the rules is not the attitude this committee should have going in. We need clever rule changes that make it far harder to get blankets in place so make 1x1 contest and quick movement of the ball the most effective way of playing the game again. In an short segment on the same program that night Jaralth Burns for me set a much better tone, saying he wants to see a new blueprint for how gaelic football is played. Since the early 00's and increased fitness the blueprint has increasingly been about blankets and possession. Rule changes have never really been implemented to tackle this." For quick movement of the ball possession has to be reduced or made less appealing. Would need to reduce solo running and handpassing to do that as well as strict enforcement of the steps rule. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2294 - 05/03/2024 19:02:34 2529992 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "For quick movement of the ball possession has to be reduced or made less appealing. Would need to reduce solo running and handpassing to do that as well as strict enforcement of the steps rule." 100% on steps and handpass. Problem is though we all agree with it until our own corner forward is clean through and blown up by a "fussy ref". But yes, agree that the ability of players to bend the rules to keep possession under pressure is a major part of the problem. Going to ground and lying over the ball is another classic. I think also that the sanction for technical fouls should be an indirect free kick to restart. The penalty of conceding a handy shot at goal for overcarrying out of defence is too harsh and discourages referees for implementing the technical rules correctly. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1201 - 05/03/2024 22:30:14 2530014 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "For quick movement of the ball possession has to be reduced or made less appealing. Would need to reduce solo running and handpassing to do that as well as strict enforcement of the steps rule." What are teams who bring a positive approach to the game - Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Glen, Derry etc, etc. to do when faced with a negative blanket offence? Hand the ball over to the lad in the primrose jersey :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3522 - 06/03/2024 07:37:05 2530024 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "What are teams who bring a positive approach to the game - Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Glen, Derry etc, etc. to do when faced with a negative blanket offence? Hand the ball over to the lad in the primrose jersey :-)" Dublin can kick the ball in to a FF line who are able to win their own ball and either go for goal or claim a mark and score. The rest can coach/practice doing that. Mayo can continue to kick wides. If you're going to continue to have a total possession game you'll have to bring in a tackle on the man like Rules or the 2 Rugger codes. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2294 - 06/03/2024 10:41:26 2530048 Link
Change to the rule book is coming and not before it's time, anybody who think s there isn't a problem with the modern game need their head examined. tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 390 - 06/03/2024 14:14:09 2530079 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Dublin can kick the ball in to a FF line who are able to win their own ball and either go for goal or claim a mark and score. The rest can coach/practice doing that. Mayo can continue to kick wides. If you're going to continue to have a total possession game you'll have to bring in a tackle on the man like Rules or the 2 Rugger codes." Mayo can continue to kick wides. Some statement coming from a Roscommon man. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8384 - 06/03/2024 14:42:28 2530083 Link
Replying To tireoghainabu: "Change to the rule book is coming and not before it's time, anybody who think s there isn't a problem with the modern game need their head examined." I don't know. I do think there are also a lot of mismatches in the football championship too and it takes so long before we see serious teams competing. In hurling you've big games coming right from the off. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4524 - 06/03/2024 14:55:45 2530085 Link
Replying To tireoghainabu: "Change to the rule book is coming and not before it's time, anybody who think s there isn't a problem with the modern game need their head examined." Of course there are problems with the modern game and there were always problems. In my late sixties now and I can honestly say I've seen gaelic football worse than now. The big issue now is the blanket defence which encourages the attacking team to retain possession so as not to get caught on the break. Most of the proposals I hear being aired restricting handpassing in various ways, shot clock, and not moving the ball back into your own half, these will in fact give the advantage to the defensive set-ups. Sure a rule mandating 3 or more players must be in the attacking half would help and maybe possible to monitor in the inter County games but at local club level not a hope. Again I think we conveniently forget the good games, for example the two semis and the final last year lacked nothing, exciting, competitive and free scoring. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 890 - 06/03/2024 16:01:43 2530096 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Of course there are problems with the modern game and there were always problems. In my late sixties now and I can honestly say I've seen gaelic football worse than now. The big issue now is the blanket defence which encourages the attacking team to retain possession so as not to get caught on the break. Most of the proposals I hear being aired restricting handpassing in various ways, shot clock, and not moving the ball back into your own half, these will in fact give the advantage to the defensive set-ups. Sure a rule mandating 3 or more players must be in the attacking half would help and maybe possible to monitor in the inter County games but at local club level not a hope. Again I think we conveniently forget the good games, for example the two semis and the final last year lacked nothing, exciting, competitive and free scoring." Those 3 games were the pinnacle of the top level season. Now the other 50,000 games...... Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2294 - 06/03/2024 16:29:28 2530103 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Those 3 games were the pinnacle of the top level season. Now the other 50,000 games......" 50,000 games, a silly remark, my point is going to inter County games across 5 or 6 decades the level of entertainment is as high or low as ever. The demands and scrutiny are higher now. Watch some of the old games, really low skill levels compared to today. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 890 - 06/03/2024 18:19:23 2530118 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "50,000 games, a silly remark, my point is going to inter County games across 5 or 6 decades the level of entertainment is as high or low as ever. The demands and scrutiny are higher now. Watch some of the old games, really low skill levels compared to today." Might be lower skills in the older games but they sure were more exciting…. You could hear a pin drop at most inter county games nowadays such is the level of boredom watching teams pass the ball over and back with virtually nobody marking anyone…. players 30 meters out afraid to try a shot in case it goes wide and then they have to incur the wrath of management…. Truly turgid stuff…! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3831 - 06/03/2024 20:45:24 2530133 Link