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Replying To shaggykev: "Are you for real? You think Kerry beating a poor Cork in 2nd gear and one other team every year means they deserve to make quarter final. We all know only Ulster champions deserve a better reward. Leinster & Munster is a joke whilst Mayo, Galway, Rossies are great, there's imbalance in structure in Connacht. Scrape the other three provinces and make it a Southern 8 team championship section. Ulster remains with best 8. You could still have Leinster, Munster & Connacht finals plus one extra match as the four quarter finals of Southern Section. Champions of both South & North(Ulster champions) make semi finals. Rest of teams battle it out in combo of back door and knockout edged games. League could be used for seeding and home advantage. System would produce epic meaningful games every step of the way." Firstly I was stating what the provincial councils are looking for. Secondly, bring your Southern Section motion to Congress. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 21/04/2024 17:33:57 2539559 Link
Wins for Mayo and Tyrone today. Kerry v Clare Munster final and Galway v Mayo Connacht final in two weeks time. Donegal v Tyrone semi-final coming up next week, the winners to play Armagh or Down. Connacht SFC semi-final Roscommon 0-13 Mayo 1-15, Dr Hyde Park FT Ulster SFC quarter-final Cavan 3-16 Tyrone 1-23, Kingspan Breffni FT (AET) Hard luck to Cavan for losing out after extra time. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 21/04/2024 18:25:25 2539571 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Firstly I was stating what the provincial councils are looking for. Secondly, bring your Southern Section motion to Congress." Apart from the Lein imbalance, the hurling structure works well. Maybe it should be adopted for football too - Ulster 5, Conn 5 & "McDonagh" 5. Ulster 5 = Prior Champ & 4 winners from 8-team KO. Conn 5 = Big 3 + Dubs + Kerry (some subject to a KO Rd first). "McDonagh" 5 = Highest ranked not in Uls/Conn. Top 2 in Uls & Conn to Prov Finals - winners to AI SFs, losers to QFs. Top 2 in "McDonagh" to Prelim QFs v 2 Prov 3rds. Next 10 to Tier 2 (2 groups of 5, both top 3s to KO). Bottom 7 to Tier 3 (also 4 games, 3v2 pairs, pairs head to head, top 4 to SFs). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2895 - 21/04/2024 22:01:35 2539638 Link
The Ulster Championship has been great fare so far. The good weather obviously added to the mood and atmosphere too. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9785 - 22/04/2024 00:58:05 2539677 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "The Ulster Championship has been great fare so far. The good weather obviously added to the mood and atmosphere too." It has. Connacht had two competitive semi-finals to be fair. Kerry v Cork also in Munster. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 22/04/2024 12:01:22 2539806 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "It has. Connacht had two competitive semi-finals to be fair. Kerry v Cork also in Munster." I'm not sure how competitive Cork vs Kerry was. Cork had the chance to make it competitive, but blazed 2 goal chances over the bar in first half. In second half, only one winner looked likely, and Cork seemed more afraid of conceding a goal than going for a win. The provincials have lost their importance, and nobody in Derry will mind not winning Ulster, if Sam heads to the Oak Leaf county. Kerry will time their run to the all Ireland, and winning at weekend despite both Clifford's subdued will give them impetus. Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 385 - 22/04/2024 12:29:37 2539831 Link
Teams already qualified for the All-Ireland do have leeway. The one advantage of winning a province is avoiding other provincial winners at least. A provincial winner this year however will have Derry visiting them in the first group game! Some reward for winning the provincial title! Mayo were ready for Kerry in Killarney last year. If Derry were seed 2, provincial winners wouldn't play them until the third game. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 22/04/2024 17:06:15 2539933 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Teams already qualified for the All-Ireland do have leeway. The one advantage of winning a province is avoiding other provincial winners at least. A provincial winner this year however will have Derry visiting them in the first group game! Some reward for winning the provincial title! Mayo were ready for Kerry in Killarney last year. If Derry were seed 2, provincial winners wouldn't play them until the third game." Round robin is a farce. 4 groups and 3 out of 4 teams qualify for quarter finals. So many "dead rubber " games here! Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 385 - 23/04/2024 11:35:13 2540085 Link
Replying To Ryanteam: "Round robin is a farce. 4 groups and 3 out of 4 teams qualify for quarter finals. So many "dead rubber " games here!" It's the opposite. Almost all games are meaningful as the finishing positions are important in terms of likely future progress in the competition, as Mayo discovered last year. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 122 - 23/04/2024 12:12:42 2540097 Link
how much will Louth go for the win over kildare on sunday? what is their to be gained from winning for them? an annihalation v dublin? that wont do anyone any good. will they be happy enough to put in a good show and let kildaare go and play dublin and louth can play a challenge match that weekend instead v likes of galway or roscommon they would be better off. dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 767 - 23/04/2024 12:41:24 2540108 Link
Replying To dickie10: "how much will Louth go for the win over kildare on sunday? what is their to be gained from winning for them? an annihalation v dublin? that wont do anyone any good. will they be happy enough to put in a good show and let kildaare go and play dublin and louth can play a challenge match that weekend instead v likes of galway or roscommon they would be better off." If Kildare and Down win woukd that mean Louth in the TC? Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1961 - 23/04/2024 13:37:42 2540127 Link
Replying To Jazzyjeff: "I don't think we did. Against Donegal there was lots of factors leading to that defeat. Certainly a hangover from the league final was an aspect, Donegal were excellent and tactically superb, the fly keeper was obviously being targeted yet we failed to adapt in game, we looked disinterested and arrogant feeling like we just had to turn up at 80 or 90%. Make no mistake that is a very damaging defeat mentally. To be turned over like that in your own back yard. It also leaves us as third seeds for the round robin(although granted we will hope to draw Dublin so we can avoid them at a later stage). Mickey was brought in to win Sam. That is the aim but big question marks after that today." Yes drawing Dublin in group stage would definitely increase Derrys chances of getting to an All Ireland Final as it would for any other strong team as you would avoid meeting until the Final unless of course 3 teams from the same group make the semi finals in which case you could meet them again. Even allowing for having to play a preliminary Quarter Final it would still be beneficial to be grouped with Dublin. edu (Mayo) - Posts: 62 - 23/04/2024 13:53:41 2540137 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "It has. Connacht had two competitive semi-finals to be fair. Kerry v Cork also in Munster." I saw the short clips of the Done/Derr & Mayo/Rosc matches - and they were very good - although the clips showed the best of the action. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2895 - 23/04/2024 14:17:57 2540154 Link
Replying To dickie10: "how much will Louth go for the win over kildare on sunday? what is their to be gained from winning for them? an annihalation v dublin? that wont do anyone any good. will they be happy enough to put in a good show and let kildaare go and play dublin and louth can play a challenge match that weekend instead v likes of galway or roscommon they would be better off." That would be a crazy strategy. Getting to the final means being Seed 2 instead of Seed 4, and an increased chance of making the last 12. And it also would run the risk of not qualifying for Sam at all, if Down were to beat Armagh. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 122 - 23/04/2024 15:34:22 2540193 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "If Kildare and Down win woukd that mean Louth in the TC?" Yes. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 122 - 23/04/2024 15:35:02 2540195 Link
Replying To Ryanteam: "Round robin is a farce. 4 groups and 3 out of 4 teams qualify for quarter finals. So many "dead rubber " games here!" Two teams only qualifying would add more jeopardy in the group stage. The draw back there though is like 2019. Dublin and Tyrone had two wins each after Round 2. Round 3 saw two dead rubbers. Dublin v Tyrone with both qualified and Cork v Roscommon with both eliminated. Tomas O'Sé's suggestion at the time was Round 1 winners playing in Round 2. This would mean two teams on 1 win each chasing a top 2 place in the final round. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 23/04/2024 18:10:57 2540229 Link
Replying To CeachtPeile: "That would be a crazy strategy. Getting to the final means being Seed 2 instead of Seed 4, and an increased chance of making the last 12. And it also would run the risk of not qualifying for Sam at all, if Down were to beat Armagh." If Clare and Louth are provincial runners-up, the Seed 4s might be Westmeath, Meath, Cork and Cavan. Clare and Louth in that scenario will have to beat one of those at home to avoid being knocked out after Round 2. If Clare and Louth as provincial runners-up were placed as Seed 4 based on league ranking, Seed 3s might be Roscommon, Monaghan, Cavan and Cork. Seed 4s might be Meath, Louth, Westmeath and Clare. Louth and Clare in that scenario would possibly be taking on a Seed 3 team in a neutral venue for a place in the preliminary quarter-finals. The current projected Seeds 3s are Derry, Mayo or Galway and possibly two of Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh. Some reward for winning a province with one of those 4 visiting in Round 1. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 23/04/2024 18:27:20 2540234 Link
Replying To Ryanteam: "Round robin is a farce. 4 groups and 3 out of 4 teams qualify for quarter finals. So many "dead rubber " games here!" Where were you hiding last year. There were 24 games of which 2 were dead rubbers. ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 387 - 24/04/2024 00:14:38 2540307 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Two teams only qualifying would add more jeopardy in the group stage. The draw back there though is like 2019. Dublin and Tyrone had two wins each after Round 2. Round 3 saw two dead rubbers. Dublin v Tyrone with both qualified and Cork v Roscommon with both eliminated. Tomas O'Sé's suggestion at the time was Round 1 winners playing in Round 2. This would mean two teams on 1 win each chasing a top 2 place in the final round." Yours is better - Rd 1 winners in Rd 3. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2895 - 24/04/2024 03:44:10 2540313 Link
Replying To omahant: "Yours is better - Rd 1 winners in Rd 3." Definitely suits with 3 going through. GAA HQ want to give counties some certainty over fixtures. It seems the group stage draws will be before the provincial finals again. I think that's an advantage to non finalists, they can scout the two games that their two provincial final opponents will come from. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 24/04/2024 18:37:25 2540476 Link