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I wasn't saying there was crowd trouble specifically, but those I was sitting around were absolutely the worst winners I have ever come across at a GAA match.
Nobody from Dublin expected us to win (and definitely not in the 4 of us there), but comments like above about "16 Dublin people" just typify the ***** I listened to for 70 min last weekend. "Your not hurling Westmeath now ", "Its a different game when you play the REAL HURLING COUNTIES (shouted)", so so so many references to the "Munster counties" and "Munster hurling" and Munster this and that. Pushing me on the back of the head after a goal. It was totally insufferable.
I wouldn't care if we were a bunch of jackasses shouting abuse from the off but I scarcely opened my mouth because I knew we were not going to win. The other 3 were quiet too. Yes I gave a roar after the goal and clapped the points but that was it. They had no reason to have a beef.
I couldn't wait to get away from these classless hillbillies who seemed to think the world revolved around Munster and Munster hurling. We found some Galway fans for the 2nd match as a few seats came empty (the other 12 Dubs went home...) and they were good craic.
I saw them even worse after beating Limerick as I was down that way at a wedding so it wasn't just a once-off.
I have been to see Dublin play Wexford, Galway and Kilkenny more times than I care to shake a stick at and all are good winners, sporting losers and good for a bit of craic. I saw none of that at the weekend. I couldn't wait to get out of the place.
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Replying To Fitzy01: "Im thinking Morrissey to 6 with Richie coming in to corner back and Mike Casey going full. Our half backs have been the winning of many a game and I'm not sure if he'll want to go a full match with Hayes in the Center but whatever call JK makes will be the right one.Hannon a massive loss not just for his playmaking and positional sense but he also seems to be the guy that controls others around him. Who takes on the on field leadership role without him. I'm thinking WOD rather than Cian Lynch looks like a leader of men and he's another guy that could do a job back there too if needed and has played that role before. If Wod filled in would Cian be fit enough to play his old midfield role again or I also wonder if he might challenge Peter Casey for his role as the outfield corner forward as it would be hard to drop Reidy after his performance in the Munster final.
I'm not sure if they'll worry too much about special marking for Whelan, their focus will be on closing down space back there and not giving time for a good supply of quality ball going in." I would not take Dan Morrissey out of the FB Position. Look what happened with Cancannon's goal last year and Horgan's this year. These would probably never have happened if Dan was left at Full Back. The line is destabled enough with Finn gone. Sean's brilliance in dealing with two very tricky situations that developed near the end of last years Galway game highlighted his importance to this team and shows the huge loss he is.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4518 - 27/06/2023 11:53:05
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Replying To StoreysTash: "This is the point. Its easy for 30-40k people to go to a game less than an hour away. Its a different kettle of fish for Galway and the other counties in Leinster playing Galway. Its the equivalent of Limerick or Clare playing in Antrim, how many would go then?
Its the "oh we're great fans, look at us" which is so prevalent from my odd drop-ins to this board which is loathsome. I remember going with my father to Limerick to an All-Ireland Qualifier in about 09-10 and there was a tiny crowd at it. Will find the year tomorrow.
Anything which raises the profile of the game is good, but being totally condescending to other counties and their support - especially when matches are hundreds of km away versus a match on your doorstep - just because you are enjoying success and have a bandwagon in full steam is unfair." Was that qualifier in Wexford, when Shaughnessy scored the goal that won it. I am fifty years going to Wexford and it was the worst day I ever saw there, or indeed anywhere else. Actually I met a good few of my fellow countymen there that night and I thought the support was ok considering the awful evening it was. It was a dual game fixture, I think, Roscommon played Wexford in the first game.
Actually, I was in Portlaoise for a drawn and replayed Offaly Galway games about 2011 and the crowd was very modest indeed and Portlaoise is an easy enough drive from most of Galway Hurling country. People forget Thurles is al long distance from West Limerick and West Clare too.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4518 - 27/06/2023 12:02:33
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Replying To StoreysTash: "12 months before Limerick won an All-Ireland when it was clear as the nose on your face they had a great team coming who were going to do great things, and only 19k at a Munster semi final? Where have the other 30k come from?" No, it was not that clear. Under 21 success was there alright, but we had even more of that early in the Century and nothing happened after. After promising 13/14 Campaigns we had shipped heavy beatings to Tipp in 15 and and 16 and we are at the end of a 45 year losing spell and it was far from certain we would go on to deliver at Senior Level and note also that Clare were after a few barren years as well in '17.
You should also remember that West Limerick and West Clare, from whence a lot of both counties support come, are relatively long distances over poor roads from Thurles- just a few miles from the KK Border- where most Cl/LK games are played.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4518 - 27/06/2023 12:21:12
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I wasn't saying there was crowd trouble specifically, but those I was sitting around were absolutely the worst winners I have ever come across at a GAA match.
Nobody from Dublin expected us to win (and definitely not in the 4 of us there), but comments like above about "16 Dublin people" just typify the ***** I listened to for 70 min last weekend. "Your not hurling Westmeath now ", "Its a different game when you play the REAL HURLING COUNTIES (shouted)", so so so many references to the "Munster counties" and "Munster hurling" and Munster this and that. Pushing me on the back of the head after a goal. It was totally insufferable.
I wouldn't care if we were a bunch of jackasses shouting abuse from the off but I scarcely opened my mouth because I knew we were not going to win. The other 3 were quiet too. Yes I gave a roar after the goal and clapped the points but that was it. They had no reason to have a beef.
I couldn't wait to get away from these classless hillbillies who seemed to think the world revolved around Munster and Munster hurling. We found some Galway fans for the 2nd match as a few seats came empty (the other 12 Dubs went home...) and they were good craic.
I saw them even worse after beating Limerick as I was down that way at a wedding so it wasn't just a once-off.
I have been to see Dublin play Wexford, Galway and Kilkenny more times than I care to shake a stick at and all are good winners, sporting losers and good for a bit of craic. I saw none of that at the weekend. I couldn't wait to get out of the place." I was at the matches myself at the weekend. In the city end terrace as a neutral. There was a small bgroup of Dubs over to the left of me seemed to be enjoying the match cheering on their team (and why wouldnt they - obviously 100% geuine hurling suporters , the Dubs don't get to a quarter final too often) the 2nd half there was plenty of jeering sent in their direction as Clare turned the screw which wasn't particularly nice to witness.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I wasn't saying there was crowd trouble specifically, but those I was sitting around were absolutely the worst winners I have ever come across at a GAA match.
Nobody from Dublin expected us to win (and definitely not in the 4 of us there), but comments like above about "16 Dublin people" just typify the ***** I listened to for 70 min last weekend. "Your not hurling Westmeath now ", "Its a different game when you play the REAL HURLING COUNTIES (shouted)", so so so many references to the "Munster counties" and "Munster hurling" and Munster this and that. Pushing me on the back of the head after a goal. It was totally insufferable.
I wouldn't care if we were a bunch of jackasses shouting abuse from the off but I scarcely opened my mouth because I knew we were not going to win. The other 3 were quiet too. Yes I gave a roar after the goal and clapped the points but that was it. They had no reason to have a beef.
I couldn't wait to get away from these classless hillbillies who seemed to think the world revolved around Munster and Munster hurling. We found some Galway fans for the 2nd match as a few seats came empty (the other 12 Dubs went home...) and they were good craic.
I saw them even worse after beating Limerick as I was down that way at a wedding so it wasn't just a once-off.
I have been to see Dublin play Wexford, Galway and Kilkenny more times than I care to shake a stick at and all are good winners, sporting losers and good for a bit of craic. I saw none of that at the weekend. I couldn't wait to get out of the place." That type of behaviour I agree is totally out of order I think you must have been unlucky to encounter a few dopes very ignorant indeed I have to say I have never seen this before at a Clare match & I would never condone it in fact I would intervene if I saw it.
Now I am sure you would agree that some Dublin fans on the Hill when you see them chanting and gesturing are not all Angels either.
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 997 - 27/06/2023 12:23:24
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Replying To Oldtourman: "I would not take Dan Morrissey out of the FB Position. Look what happened with Cancannon's goal last year and Horgan's this year. These would probably never have happened if Dan was left at Full Back. The line is destabled enough with Finn gone. Sean's brilliance in dealing with two very tricky situations that developed near the end of last years Galway game highlighted his importance to this team and shows the huge loss he is." I know he is a nailed on all star full back imo but who would you put in at center back? There is no easy solution, lots of potential options alright but which one is best and will cause the least disruption
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 455 - 27/06/2023 12:53:17
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I wasn't saying there was crowd trouble specifically, but those I was sitting around were absolutely the worst winners I have ever come across at a GAA match.
Nobody from Dublin expected us to win (and definitely not in the 4 of us there), but comments like above about "16 Dublin people" just typify the ***** I listened to for 70 min last weekend. "Your not hurling Westmeath now ", "Its a different game when you play the REAL HURLING COUNTIES (shouted)", so so so many references to the "Munster counties" and "Munster hurling" and Munster this and that. Pushing me on the back of the head after a goal. It was totally insufferable.
I wouldn't care if we were a bunch of jackasses shouting abuse from the off but I scarcely opened my mouth because I knew we were not going to win. The other 3 were quiet too. Yes I gave a roar after the goal and clapped the points but that was it. They had no reason to have a beef.
I couldn't wait to get away from these classless hillbillies who seemed to think the world revolved around Munster and Munster hurling. We found some Galway fans for the 2nd match as a few seats came empty (the other 12 Dubs went home...) and they were good craic.
I saw them even worse after beating Limerick as I was down that way at a wedding so it wasn't just a once-off.
I have been to see Dublin play Wexford, Galway and Kilkenny more times than I care to shake a stick at and all are good winners, sporting losers and good for a bit of craic. I saw none of that at the weekend. I couldn't wait to get out of the place." The gardai had to be called to the open stand in the munster final after a clare supporter shook the back of the head of a limerick supporter after the clare goal. I think the person was removed from the stadium but im not 100% sure. I know the maik stadium organiser as well as the gardai had intervened. Its interesting you said that same physical contact example happened. It was very unsavoury for about 10-15 mins. I was thankfully a nice bit away from it as i had a very regretful experience with certain clare supporters in the open stand during the round Robin match when I had young children in my company and had to leave early. I had to elevate it unfortunately and thankfully we didn't have a repeat. I've stated here weeks ago that my feeling is it will eventually spill over. I'm not sure why this is now happening as I've been going to plenty of matches over the year but in the last few years issues like these have arisen where I've never seen them before. I've always witnessed the verbals etc you get with any rivalry but the physical contact and intimidation is going to another place altogether. I take no joy in commenting here on this but these "isolated"incidents are becoming more frequent.
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Replying To Fitzy01: "I hear what you are saying and you are right, the mindset down here is just a little different among the masses whether there is success or not. I would say following a team like Galway or KK would be well worth the extra hour in the car imo when you are talking a handful of championship games over a year and some of them will be at home. I probably started this conversation and i don't mean to belittle or judge counties supporters I was more coming from a place where there is judgement on Limerick fans and i was looking to point out a few truths which is a little petty on my end so i am going to apologise and I'm in hurling only talk mode from now on. Looking forward to a match that could be epic and no one can really call which way its going to go." No worries and no need to apologise. I appreciate what you're saying, we're both coming at it from different perspectives & provinces! The most important thing as you say is the hurling.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 27/06/2023 13:42:50
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Replying To Fitzy01: "I know he is a nailed on all star full back imo but who would you put in at center back? There is no easy solution, lots of potential options alright but which one is best and will cause the least disruption" I think they'll leave Dan 3 Byrnes 5 Hayes 7. They won't change the backs as they've settled into their roles nicely since Finn got injured. Who'll play 6 is the next option. Clearly they'll want to limit the disruption to the rest of the tea. 6 has become a role now where its about positional play, communication, ability to hold the space, link the play and do things simply very well and very often. The least disruptive option is bringing someone off the bench like Coughlin or Connolly. That's risky for obvious reasons but both know 6 very well and both are good in possession. Other options I'd think could work are WoD DoD or Reidy. I believe Lynch will start 11 so options for Reidy to play 9 or are there. Limerick will have had 4 weeks to pick the best option and they will. If you look at the players any of the following could play 6. Deccie ticks all the boxes as to why he's there.
Dan
Nash
Byrnes
Hayes
WoD
DoD
Hegarty
Reidy
O Neill
All these players have played 6 or currently play 6 for club and county. The thing I like about releasing the news on hannon is Galway will plan to a certain degree for Limerick but won't really know their set up till throw in.
Just my take on it
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1198 - 27/06/2023 13:56:30
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I wasn't saying there was crowd trouble specifically, but those I was sitting around were absolutely the worst winners I have ever come across at a GAA match.
Nobody from Dublin expected us to win (and definitely not in the 4 of us there), but comments like above about "16 Dublin people" just typify the ***** I listened to for 70 min last weekend. "Your not hurling Westmeath now ", "Its a different game when you play the REAL HURLING COUNTIES (shouted)", so so so many references to the "Munster counties" and "Munster hurling" and Munster this and that. Pushing me on the back of the head after a goal. It was totally insufferable.
I wouldn't care if we were a bunch of jackasses shouting abuse from the off but I scarcely opened my mouth because I knew we were not going to win. The other 3 were quiet too. Yes I gave a roar after the goal and clapped the points but that was it. They had no reason to have a beef.
I couldn't wait to get away from these classless hillbillies who seemed to think the world revolved around Munster and Munster hurling. We found some Galway fans for the 2nd match as a few seats came empty (the other 12 Dubs went home...) and they were good craic.
I saw them even worse after beating Limerick as I was down that way at a wedding so it wasn't just a once-off.
I have been to see Dublin play Wexford, Galway and Kilkenny more times than I care to shake a stick at and all are good winners, sporting losers and good for a bit of craic. I saw none of that at the weekend. I couldn't wait to get out of the place." I have experienced similar to be honest.
Some fairly unsporting stuff in 13 when mossy waters went down with cruciate injury which ultimately resulted in Clare winning the all Ireland as they recovered a 3 point deficit when the game wasn't stopped.
Fair to say every county has them though.
I suppose its a little like ourselves in that Clare are so used to being the on the receiving end in munster (not so much recently) that they aren't quite sure how to handle a good thing.
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Replying To daveboy: "The gardai had to be called to the open stand in the munster final after a clare supporter shook the back of the head of a limerick supporter after the clare goal. I think the person was removed from the stadium but im not 100% sure. I know the maik stadium organiser as well as the gardai had intervened. Its interesting you said that same physical contact example happened. It was very unsavoury for about 10-15 mins. I was thankfully a nice bit away from it as i had a very regretful experience with certain clare supporters in the open stand during the round Robin match when I had young children in my company and had to leave early. I had to elevate it unfortunately and thankfully we didn't have a repeat. I've stated here weeks ago that my feeling is it will eventually spill over. I'm not sure why this is now happening as I've been going to plenty of matches over the year but in the last few years issues like these have arisen where I've never seen them before. I've always witnessed the verbals etc you get with any rivalry but the physical contact and intimidation is going to another place altogether. I take no joy in commenting here on this but these "isolated"incidents are becoming more frequent." Well I certainly hope the Gardai did intervene and charge the person involved I have never encountered it thankfully and you could always have a few comments with whoever is sitting near you. I suppose as John Kiely often says what was the context of it (the incident ) but no excusing making contact with somebody.
I was at round robin also near Limerick fans they were mad to beat us you could see but you expect that after game was over they were gracious enough. Maybe there a different kind of fan attending matches now.
Pity to be talking about this kind of stuff in what has been a great hurling year.
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 997 - 27/06/2023 14:22:05
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Replying To TomWex: "I was at the matches myself at the weekend. In the city end terrace as a neutral. There was a small bgroup of Dubs over to the left of me seemed to be enjoying the match cheering on their team (and why wouldnt they - obviously 100% geuine hurling suporters , the Dubs don't get to a quarter final too often) the 2nd half there was plenty of jeering sent in their direction as Clare turned the screw which wasn't particularly nice to witness." I am totally against any sort of physical intimidation or any of that sort of nonsense going on at matches but if jeering is as big a problem as you perceive it then maybe stay at home. Jeering happens at every match. The dubs themselves were the kings of it in croker when the footballers were going well.
Now you might not like Clare and this is distorting your viewpoint, but come on.
We can all list times of other fans acting the mickey.
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I am totally against any sort of physical intimidation or any of that sort of nonsense going on at matches but if jeering is as big a problem as you perceive it then maybe stay at home. Jeering happens at every match. The dubs themselves were the kings of it in croker when the footballers were going well.
Now you might not like Clare and this is distorting your viewpoint, but come on.
We can all list times of other fans acting the mickey." Actually I do like Clare :) I was wearing a Clare cap on Saturday in Limerick in actual fact.
TomWex (Wexford) - Posts: 85 - 27/06/2023 14:47:11
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Replying To StoreysTash: "12 months before Limerick won an All-Ireland when it was clear as the nose on your face they had a great team coming who were going to do great things, and only 19k at a Munster semi final? Where have the other 30k come from?" A Munster final or any final should add a lot more fans to the game and what should the GAA do turn away 30,000 extra fans. Personally I love to see big crowds at games as it adds to atmosphere and brings back memories from the nineties with huge crowd's but from the mid noughties on the crowd reduced at games but the introduction of the round robin has brought the crowds back. I don't have a problem with bandwagon support as hopefully the kids with the adults will want to play the games and grow the games. It sounds like you only want fans going to games who sat on their fathers knee at a game as a new born and the father had went with his father before that, let new fans go to the game and let it grow. I was at that match in 2017 and the KK match later on but in 2016 I didn't go to Limerick Clare in Thurles as I knew we weren't good enough because of the management team we had and the preparation we had done and if the Limerick county board weren't good enough to appoint a good management team why should I waste my money following them, it was the first match I didn't go to in 20 years. The reason I'm saying this is people become disillusioned following badly prepared times and knowing they aren't getting the best out of their resources but when things turn people come back to teams to follow them.
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "I am totally against any sort of physical intimidation or any of that sort of nonsense going on at matches but if jeering is as big a problem as you perceive it then maybe stay at home. Jeering happens at every match. The dubs themselves were the kings of it in croker when the footballers were going well.
Now you might not like Clare and this is distorting your viewpoint, but come on.
We can all list times of other fans acting the mickey." Personally I don't like jeering and also booing when frees are taken. I have been among the good fans of every county on here and they don't do it. These people are in a minority and would not know what a hurling ball is if it jumped up and hit them. Or a football either. Every county have these people. The genuine fan should call them out. I do and will continue to do it if they are in my zone. It is an easy out to say they paid and can do what they like.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I wasn't saying there was crowd trouble specifically, but those I was sitting around were absolutely the worst winners I have ever come across at a GAA match.
Nobody from Dublin expected us to win (and definitely not in the 4 of us there), but comments like above about "16 Dublin people" just typify the ***** I listened to for 70 min last weekend. "Your not hurling Westmeath now ", "Its a different game when you play the REAL HURLING COUNTIES (shouted)", so so so many references to the "Munster counties" and "Munster hurling" and Munster this and that. Pushing me on the back of the head after a goal. It was totally insufferable.
I wouldn't care if we were a bunch of jackasses shouting abuse from the off but I scarcely opened my mouth because I knew we were not going to win. The other 3 were quiet too. Yes I gave a roar after the goal and clapped the points but that was it. They had no reason to have a beef.
I couldn't wait to get away from these classless hillbillies who seemed to think the world revolved around Munster and Munster hurling. We found some Galway fans for the 2nd match as a few seats came empty (the other 12 Dubs went home...) and they were good craic.
I saw them even worse after beating Limerick as I was down that way at a wedding so it wasn't just a once-off.
I have been to see Dublin play Wexford, Galway and Kilkenny more times than I care to shake a stick at and all are good winners, sporting losers and good for a bit of craic. I saw none of that at the weekend. I couldn't wait to get out of the place." I was the Munster Final with other neutral friends, who went down hoping Clare would win and would support them. They turned to em before half time and said they hoped Limerick would win! They could not believe what the Clare support was like. I was very surprised myself.
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There was some jeering of Evan Niland when he was taking frees in the first half in the Tipperary game. It seemed to die down later on, maybe because it didnt have any effect on his accuracy. I was surprised though that none of the RTE commentators referred to it when it was happening.
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Replying To countyman2022: "I was the Munster Final with other neutral friends, who went down hoping Clare would win and would support them. They turned to em before half time and said they hoped Limerick would win! They could not believe what the Clare support was like. I was very surprised myself." Not surprised you are here making stuff up again
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Replying To countyman2022: "I was the Munster Final with other neutral friends, who went down hoping Clare would win and would support them. They turned to em before half time and said they hoped Limerick would win! They could not believe what the Clare support was like. I was very surprised myself." Countryman 2022 you hate us so I would doubt very much that you were going to shout for us you have this thread of dislike for many the year now so stop trying to tell us that nonsense if a few Morons misbehave you cannot blame the whole County.
If as Canurc pointed out you see them jeering show a bit of gust and tell them to stop.
A small percentage of Tipp supporters did jeer Nyland but it soon stopped
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