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Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2023

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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin:  "Poor result. I don't think it was a shock really, two very close teams over the last 10 years and probably have similar records in Leinster and the all Ireland series over that time period.
I think it's more the way we lost and the performances this year have been pretty awful, the highlight of this year so far is a two point loss in the league to Cork. I think it's the fact that Dublin are down so many of their first choices players from the last few years as well as the performance that make it especially frustrating. No slight to Dublin, they were well deserving of their win and looked a better drilled team. Wins against Kilkenny can't keep pappering over cracks and hope it's enough to save the year.
I don't want to write the year off yet cus beating Kilkenny might still save the year but that's not good enough now but as things stand it's probably our worst year since pre Liam Dunne (or maybe 2015 or 2020) Same problems remain even if that happens. I know people saying if we'd scored all those wides but some of them weren't great options to take, this has been a problem for a long long time in Wexford, stupid wides from all and any angle. I don't think Egan is a bad coach but I do think he's not the most inspiring figure on the line alright, not saying do Davy antics but he never gives that bit of life or fire that you'd see from Cahill, Shefflin, Kiely, Lohan etc. We're only good when we're proper fired up or work hungry, I don't think we've enough good hurlers to win games by just pure skill and score getting, might sound a bit old school but it's probably the main reason we only seem to play well v Kilkenny. Just an observation I think from the last few years.
We might be heading for a few very mediocre years but definitely won't fall off the cliff some commentators think could happen (I hope) but a big revamp of Wexford hurling from academies to schools hurling needs to be done. Peter's had a good school's team around 2017ish and they're probably the last competitive schools team we had. I know Good Counsel won Leinster recently but it was a very Kilkenny heavy team..no diss to the Wexford lads on it and I belive Conor Foley was on it so shows the importance of having strong schools. Our academies could be better in the planing and coaching. We don't have a huge population either so harvesting from any golden crop we might be lucky to get is vital. There is some very good coaches and people involved in Wexford but they need help too. It can be done, Offaly getting to minor all Ireland, beating pre Leinster favorites in the u20, winning Leinster A and B schools (true one was schools joined) and that's with an even lower population base and lower starting base. It's great to be competitive but winning helps a lot too. Look what those 3 in a row u21s did for us. Near misses can't be theme every year at underage, just getting over the line once in a few big games would help belief a lot down the line. The u21s beating Kilkenny really helped get over that hoodoo."
You can't blame a small population for our problems. The population of Wexford is 163,000 which is an increase from 150,000 in the last census in 2016. That makes us a more populated county than the likes of Kilkenny, Clare and even Waterford and it doesn't seem to affect them. We have a bigger population than Kerry and Mayo too and they are obviously very competitive in football. Wexford is a big county with plenty of GAA clubs and players so let's not look for excuses where there are none.

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 274 - 07/05/2023 21:10:13    2476540

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Replying To hunting:  "There a coach that comes to my local school employed by wexford gaa and they are supposed to be training hurling and football but they have spend the whole year so far, playing no man land and cat and mouse chasing games. That a fact."
I did a number of coaching courses and more than once wondered was I in the right place such was the lack of anything to do with hurling. It was more like a session on coaching children's party games!

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 07/05/2023 21:11:32    2476541

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Even if we beat kilkenny all dublin need is 1pt from galway or kk and they will go through in 3rd place. I was at the games yesterday and when a manager has to consistantly shout at players on the sideline for 70min it means off the field there is no proper communication between players and management no confidence in the team or spirit and as for a game plan !! What a load of rubbish...Davy never had to really shout at players because every player knew there job.

Wexpurebred (Wexford) - Posts: 205 - 07/05/2023 21:27:13    2476548

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "I did a number of coaching courses and more than once wondered was I in the right place such was the lack of anything to do with hurling. It was more like a session on coaching children's party games!"
Why do we only hear of these horror stories after demoralising defeats?

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 07/05/2023 22:11:45    2476552

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Taught he made some valid points and some not so valid, suggesting Chin plays centre back is an odd one, overall I think a reboot in philosophy is needed in Wexford starting from next year, think the days of designated sweeper are now as good as obsolete naturally centre backs end up covering alot anyway, teams have figured out how to get around it and it leaves you to short upfront, our backs have to learn or have to be trusted to defend 1 on 1 as bar a few league games this year and the 1st half of last years championship we haven't played conveniently for over 6 years."
Maybe not as strange as you think. Look at the role Declan hannon and John conlon (both originally forwards) have both done for their respective counties. I know you'd miss his presence in the forward but I think he could certainly shore up the middle of defence and allow us hurl without a sweeper

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 07/05/2023 22:18:52    2476555

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Replying To Timbertony:  "I hate to pick out inexperienced lads but I thought JOC particularly was miles off it when he came in and not for the first time. Carty got a ball around midfield with Chin in space a few yards away, turned and hit it high and wide into the canal end without even a look at the posts."
Yep that miss from Carty was terrible ,every bit as bad as McGoverns numerous efforts. Talking about a possible change in management which I agree with , We do need a Wexford man in charge but they are not many possibilities. Rossiter hasn't been great at U20 level, lost last year to KK , with a team we won the Leinster minor championship 3 years previously. This year we still haven't got our best team on the field. Lose to KK on Wednesday will be the last straw so I wouldn't be rushing to bring in Rossiter, we have to stop rewarding mediocrity, same as minor hurling management, we were terrible last year and Laois beat us in the end, this year we lost semi final to KK. They not exactly tearing it up either so would be reluctant for these guys. Oulart has a large contingent involved at County level? Haven't heard anything from JJ Doyle or what is his roll within Wexford GAA? Likewise what is Harris role and have they achieved anything in last 2 years? County Board needs to be held accountable, they picked these people in such important jobs. CB will block you on twitter if you ask a question.

Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 07/05/2023 22:24:45    2476559

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Replying To Viking66:  "That was poor but other than that I thought he did OK. JoC hasn't been brilliant either but surely both would've done better than having 2 lads on the pitch in Ryan and Reck who were visibly not right and weren't able to cover ground. When the subs all came on we played better I thought and reeled in a 5 point deficit before the late late Donal show."
Agree with you on playing clearly injured players. Kevin Foley going to the sideline to say he was pushing up I think was key to drawing back level. Without the extra defender back there Dublin really struggled. Watch KK annihilate them.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 428 - 07/05/2023 22:52:33    2476564

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Replying To Wexpurebred:  "Even if we beat kilkenny all dublin need is 1pt from galway or kk and they will go through in 3rd place. I was at the games yesterday and when a manager has to consistantly shout at players on the sideline for 70min it means off the field there is no proper communication between players and management no confidence in the team or spirit and as for a game plan !! What a load of rubbish...Davy never had to really shout at players because every player knew there job."
That takes some doing because the Waterford players did not have a clue what Davy wanted. " we lost our form" will be on his head stone.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3116 - 07/05/2023 23:28:35    2476574

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Wexford are definitely a team playing on low confidence, the poor league hasn't helped along with mark fanning leaving.you won't get away with playing injured players at this level and shows Egan hasn't trust in the panel but Davey was the same when it came to subs.
I thought putting Hanlon on Burke wasn't the right match up I would of put Shane reck on him.
Alot of the senior players haven't being the same since Davey left and clare were the same after 2013 it took them a long time to get going again. Davey had Wexford at such a high tempo it looks like alot of players are burnt out.
Huge game now Wednesday and a win would give the county a huge lift. Is pepper fit? Kk will have Clifford and drennan back so it will be a much better team. Wexford left that leinster final behind them last year. It's very important Wexford get a win Wednesday and a few of these lads will backbone the senior team for the next few years.

Slowandshortsighted (UK) - Posts: 71 - 07/05/2023 23:54:32    2476581

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Maybe not as strange as you think. Look at the role Declan hannon and John conlon (both originally forwards) have both done for their respective counties. I know you'd miss his presence in the forward but I think he could certainly shore up the middle of defence and allow us hurl without a sweeper"
2-3 years ago I think there could have been a case but I think on the back of the hamstring issues Lee has lost a yard of pace so wouldn't be suited now, I think his game has evolved alot the last year due to this and fair play him for this, he's as important as ever.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 08/05/2023 00:15:05    2476582

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Where do we go from here. Dublin were the better team. 20 wides is crazy at this level. We created more scoring chances but shot from far out. Every player sitting too deep, meaning our forwards had too much ground to make up and allowing Dublin to funnel back with ease. They shot 6 wides and were very economical with the chances they got.
I can't understand why Dee wasn't brought on if he was warming up on the sideline. With Ryan and Reck gone surely his experience would have been a good move when the game was in the melting pot. The sideline tactics, or lack of them were dreadful to say the least. Once again no gameplan
I wish I could say something positive about yesterday's performance but nothing comes to mind. There is still an outside chance of finishing 3rd but I can't see us troubling Kilkenny and we certainly haven't a snowballs chance in a bomb blast of beating any of the munster teams.
Bottom line is we are simply not good enough.
I honestly can't see Darragh Egan in charge next year. Nice man but we need somebody to get us out of the rut that we are in right now."
Depends how you define better team, they were by far the more efficient team and full credit to them which is obviously a vital component of most team sports but let's not beat around the bush 2 years in a row Wexford have thrown it away against Dublin more than Dublin outplayed them.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 08/05/2023 01:09:08    2476584

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Replying To Purpleandgold72:  "Liam Spratt on south east radio just said that the reason Diarmuid O'Keefe wasn't brought on yesterday was because he was being rested….have you ever heard such nonsense. One of our best players and an all star a few years ago not playing in the most important match of the year. Serious question need to be asked if our 'management team'."
Serious questions need to be asked if you are taking what Liam Sprat says as gospel.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2017 - 08/05/2023 02:04:23    2476587

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Taught he made some valid points and some not so valid, suggesting Chin plays centre back is an odd one, overall I think a reboot in philosophy is needed in Wexford starting from next year, think the days of designated sweeper are now as good as obsolete naturally centre backs end up covering alot anyway, teams have figured out how to get around it and it leaves you to short upfront, our backs have to learn or have to be trusted to defend 1 on 1 as bar a few league games this year and the 1st half of last years championship we haven't played conveniently for over 6 years."
We leak goals when 1 on 1 at the back. Noone else plays 3 inside either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16367 - 08/05/2023 08:09:17    2476596

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "I did a number of coaching courses and more than once wondered was I in the right place such was the lack of anything to do with hurling. It was more like a session on coaching children's party games!"
Me too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16367 - 08/05/2023 08:09:55    2476597

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Why do we only hear of these horror stories after demoralising defeats?"
I flagged this over the winter TerribleFootwork

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16367 - 08/05/2023 08:10:35    2476598

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Maybe not as strange as you think. Look at the role Declan hannon and John conlon (both originally forwards) have both done for their respective counties. I know you'd miss his presence in the forward but I think he could certainly shore up the middle of defence and allow us hurl without a sweeper"
I suggested Chin at 6 last year and everyone laughed at me on this!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16367 - 08/05/2023 08:11:11    2476599

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Excellent post and accurately sums up our issues scoring. Also why oh why does Mikey Dwyer not strike his goal effort low."
Happens the best of players. Flanagan has scored three goals in the championship so far yet he missed possibly the best chance he had against Clare, by not keeping the ball low in the very first attack. Before the sliotar came inside our fifty yard once that night we had missed a goal and two easy point chances. Crucial gilt edged chances, especially early in a game, must be taken, as was shown in last years AIF.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4511 - 08/05/2023 09:14:21    2476608

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Still very disappointed over the result Saturday . The game was there for the taking and we blew it. Id have to question the tactics why were we retreating so far back when we were chasing the game? This resulted in hopeful pot shots from the middle of the field. There were also some very poor wides from lads with loads of space inside the 65 which is very disheartening. Why was Rory O Connor almost playing as a sweeper again when we needed scores. Why was Dee O Keeffe not even brought on. Surely his experience could have made a difference in the final 10 minutes. I have zero confidence in this management team anymore and think we need a change. We are now the 9th best team in Ireland and we cant afford to slide any further. Hopefully the under 20s give the county the lift it needs on Wednesday night

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 08/05/2023 09:42:41    2476611

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In the last 11 championship meetings between Wexford and Dublin stretching back to 2008 the results are

Wexford 2 wins (2008, 2018)
Dublin 6 wins (2009, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2022, 2023)
3 draws (2008, 2013, 2019)

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 08/05/2023 09:46:23    2476613

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Replying To hunting:  "There a coach that comes to my local school employed by wexford gaa and they are supposed to be training hurling and football but they have spend the whole year so far, playing no man land and cat and mouse chasing games. That a fact."
What age children are you talking about here?

"No Man's Land" - assuming you mean the same game that I'm thinking of - is a game to promote quick and accurate ground striking of the ball into a target area.

"Cat and mouse" games are to promote things like mobility and reaction time.

All very suitable and indeed recommended for children up to the age of 7 or 8. But if the coach you're talking about is just playing chase games with 10 and 11-year-olds instead, you'd be right to be critical of them all right.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2962 - 08/05/2023 10:02:07    2476619

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