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Replying To Doylerwex: "I'm not buying into the nothing coming through talk. Our underage structures are in a far better place than when Liam dunne had to build. That minor team isn't bad, and the under 20 team has a few very good lads on it. 2 or 3 per year will keep you going. Lads like Joe o C, Foley, r Lawlor, Devitt, firmans, Banville, Higgins, carty, scallan, Clancy, o hagan, Ryan, Roche etc. Just need some more experience at the top level but will come good. I agree Kilkenny are no longer the standard bearer nationally, but they are in the provence, and are worth an all Ireland even when they're not going well. You just don't get bad Kilkenny teams. I stand by the psychology point. All our lads can hurl, but they're making bad decisions. This is overcome by mindset and confidence first and foremost. The game was tense yesterday, that atmosphere comes from fear. The prime example is Liam og in front of goal with acres of space and drove it wide from 50 yards most uncharacteristically. Rory had 3 chances to go head down at goal but wouldn't take his man on and took the point. Again, that's fear and lack of confidence. The difference between the teams yesterday was this, wides, a great save from Brennan, and failing to score for ten minutes in the middle of the second half when we were on top. All of this can be solved with attitude, which is nurtured through psychology." You get confidence by winning games and performing in games. Yet we completely sacrificed our entire league campaign a decision cheered on and defended by many on here, "sure what good did doing well in the league last year do for us?" We are all the way through a league campaign, over halfway through championship and none the wiser in terms of what we are actually meant to be doing in terms of a game plan. Again we apparently took this approach to develop a panel of players yet take the field with half fit players who obviously aren't able to perform so again questions have to be asked. Our underage players are coming through with ability left behind in terms of s and c, an u20 Leinster was left behind us in 2022 because of a lack of s and c, chin apart out senior team doesn't stack up in that respect These are realities we have to face up to and stop deflecting every time there's criticism, some of the delusion here is mad, there's no point in hiding realities behind reams of positive thinking! Egan will be the fall guy, that's reality but also it's not all on him, we simply do not have the players necessary coming through and when I say necessary I mean in more than just ability, I actually think ability we have but lack in almost every other aspect of the game! tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1522 - 07/05/2023 18:42:27 2476484 Link
Replying To hunting: "Half the team gone in 2 years time, I fed-up of this talk. D O Keefe, Liam og, Hanlon, probably go next year or year after. Chin if injuries are OK should last another 4 or 5. Other then that were are fairly young team. Paudie Foley coming back hopefully next year will help. Also Cian Molloy and Aj redmond I feel can add to the squad outside of any of the under 20s. However, the big concern is I don't see any Lee chin, Rory, Ryan coming along anytime soon. However,back to the present, we need change over us, ASAP, end of." Hanlon is only a year older than Chin. Molloy and Redmond didn't commit. Apparently there was some disagreement with Molloy and AJ didn't want to do the gym work. The current S and C problems we have are directly at the door of the County Board and probably Coiste na nog. Proper S and C is built up over many years. If you try to rush it when a lad turns 17 or 18 or 19 you will get problems. Proper programs should be in place from 12 or 13 or 14 so that players ligaments, tendons etc can get used to the stronger muscles. Not heavy body building programs obviously, but one's tailored to the age groups concerned. Obviously not every player will want to be bigger. That's up to the individual players. But as a team I agree we usually are smaller in both build and height than the other top 9 counties at every age group. Why we don't develop our taller hurlers from a younger age is another debate also. But it was noticeable in the u20s games I've seen this year that our taller hurlers look very awkward. And most of them look slight. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16363 - 07/05/2023 18:46:20 2476485 Link
Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Excellent post and accurately sums up our issues scoring. Also why oh why does Mikey Dwyer not strike his goal effort low." That was a big miss, it should have been buried. Looking back we probably started with 3 injured players, obviously Egan thinks our back up is not good enough? Dublin has the edge on Wexford for over 10 years now but some people think that we are better than them? About time people wake up. We are drifting downwards,zero confidence and with a game plan that would confuse Einstein. Who came up with this bizarre tactical mess, what other team would hand the ball to the opponent and let them carry it past halfway before anyone puts pressure on? This is the second year running this BS, as manager Egan should be accountable, we had enough in us to beat Dublin but for bizarre tactics, playing injured players. We should not accept this… Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 07/05/2023 18:47:23 2476486 Link
Poor result. I don't think it was a shock really, two very close teams over the last 10 years and probably have similar records in Leinster and the all Ireland series over that time period. I think it's more the way we lost and the performances this year have been pretty awful, the highlight of this year so far is a two point loss in the league to Cork. I think it's the fact that Dublin are down so many of their first choices players from the last few years as well as the performance that make it especially frustrating. No slight to Dublin, they were well deserving of their win and looked a better drilled team. Wins against Kilkenny can't keep pappering over cracks and hope it's enough to save the year. I don't want to write the year off yet cus beating Kilkenny might still save the year but that's not good enough now but as things stand it's probably our worst year since pre Liam Dunne (or maybe 2015 or 2020) Same problems remain even if that happens. I know people saying if we'd scored all those wides but some of them weren't great options to take, this has been a problem for a long long time in Wexford, stupid wides from all and any angle. I don't think Egan is a bad coach but I do think he's not the most inspiring figure on the line alright, not saying do Davy antics but he never gives that bit of life or fire that you'd see from Cahill, Shefflin, Kiely, Lohan etc. We're only good when we're proper fired up or work hungry, I don't think we've enough good hurlers to win games by just pure skill and score getting, might sound a bit old school but it's probably the main reason we only seem to play well v Kilkenny. Just an observation I think from the last few years. We might be heading for a few very mediocre years but definitely won't fall off the cliff some commentators think could happen (I hope) but a big revamp of Wexford hurling from academies to schools hurling needs to be done. Peter's had a good school's team around 2017ish and they're probably the last competitive schools team we had. I know Good Counsel won Leinster recently but it was a very Kilkenny heavy team..no diss to the Wexford lads on it and I belive Conor Foley was on it so shows the importance of having strong schools. Our academies could be better in the planing and coaching. We don't have a huge population either so harvesting from any golden crop we might be lucky to get is vital. There is some very good coaches and people involved in Wexford but they need help too. It can be done, Offaly getting to minor all Ireland, beating pre Leinster favorites in the u20, winning Leinster A and B schools (true one was schools joined) and that's with an even lower population base and lower starting base. It's great to be competitive but winning helps a lot too. Look what those 3 in a row u21s did for us. Near misses can't be theme every year at underage, just getting over the line once in a few big games would help belief a lot down the line. The u21s beating Kilkenny really helped get over that hoodoo. Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 332 - 07/05/2023 18:52:18 2476491 Link
Well said, Martin storey was on south east radio this evening, going mad about happening at the moment hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1149 - 07/05/2023 18:55:41 2476492 Link
Replying To tearintom: "You get confidence by winning games and performing in games. Yet we completely sacrificed our entire league campaign a decision cheered on and defended by many on here, "sure what good did doing well in the league last year do for us?" We are all the way through a league campaign, over halfway through championship and none the wiser in terms of what we are actually meant to be doing in terms of a game plan. Again we apparently took this approach to develop a panel of players yet take the field with half fit players who obviously aren't able to perform so again questions have to be asked. Our underage players are coming through with ability left behind in terms of s and c, an u20 Leinster was left behind us in 2022 because of a lack of s and c, chin apart out senior team doesn't stack up in that respect These are realities we have to face up to and stop deflecting every time there's criticism, some of the delusion here is mad, there's no point in hiding realities behind reams of positive thinking! Egan will be the fall guy, that's reality but also it's not all on him, we simply do not have the players necessary coming through and when I say necessary I mean in more than just ability, I actually think ability we have but lack in almost every other aspect of the game!" I definitely agree with TerribleFootwork on the mentality/psychology issue. Some of the wides the lads would have put over no bother in a training game. I still think the lads should practice shooting after running a hard lap or 2 of the pitch to get their blood oxygen levels down, and at the end of a good training session not at the beginning or in the middle, and with a stopwatch on them, to replicate real match conditions as closely as possible. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16363 - 07/05/2023 18:57:08 2476496 Link
Replying To Tox73: "That was a big miss, it should have been buried. Looking back we probably started with 3 injured players, obviously Egan thinks our back up is not good enough? Dublin has the edge on Wexford for over 10 years now but some people think that we are better than them? About time people wake up. We are drifting downwards,zero confidence and with a game plan that would confuse Einstein. Who came up with this bizarre tactical mess, what other team would hand the ball to the opponent and let them carry it past halfway before anyone puts pressure on? This is the second year running this BS, as manager Egan should be accountable, we had enough in us to beat Dublin but for bizarre tactics, playing injured players. We should not accept this…" Agree Egan should've showed more faith in starting Joe OC and Carty who played well in the League and seemed to do well when they came on. Carty plays centreback well for his club. Joe is a good hurler also. Both played very well for Wexfords u21s. Carty got an all star nomination at that grade playing centreback. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16363 - 07/05/2023 19:01:19 2476498 Link
Liam Spratt on south east radio just said that the reason Diarmuid O'Keefe wasn't brought on yesterday was because he was being rested….have you ever heard such nonsense. One of our best players and an all star a few years ago not playing in the most important match of the year. Serious question need to be asked if our 'management team'. Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 274 - 07/05/2023 19:03:01 2476500 Link
Replying To Viking66: "I definitely agree with TerribleFootwork on the mentality/psychology issue. Some of the wides the lads would have put over no bother in a training game. I still think the lads should practice shooting after running a hard lap or 2 of the pitch to get their blood oxygen levels down, and at the end of a good training session not at the beginning or in the middle, and with a stopwatch on them, to replicate real match conditions as closely as possible." Sorry meant Doylerwex Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16363 - 07/05/2023 19:43:07 2476506 Link
The biggest positive out of yesterday is Conor Foley is available for Wednesday night. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 07/05/2023 19:51:03 2476511 Link
I got absolutely slated on here for stating the structures in place weren't good enough by some know it all. Well, this year is proving me correct. Wexford just aren't good enough at any level to win an All Ireland, we haven't won an All Ireland underage title since 1968, a league since 1973, one senior All Ireland in 53 years and 4 Leinster titles since 1977. It's not working, we are struggling to make any impact at any level in hurling and to compare that game against Dublin against the Tipp v Cork game is like talking about 2 completely different standards of hurling. We all want Wexford to be successful but I can't see Wexford winning an All Ireland in my lifetime again, just not good enough. Jedobi (Wexford) - Posts: 246 - 07/05/2023 19:57:44 2476514 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Sorry meant Doylerwex" I was wondering:) TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 07/05/2023 19:59:52 2476518 Link
Replying To Waltermitty2: "The quality of coaching in wexford is shockingly poor at nearly every level. Lads getting paid by the county board to coach kids that havent a clue what they are doing. Alot of clubs are also employing spoofers to coach their teams to play septic hurling. Id love to see what goes on in ferns compared to the top county hurling teams. Our county board are too concerned about climbing the financial ladder to leinster councils etc than actually addressing the alarming state of hurling in the county." Spot on, County board needs refreshing, we are reaping what we sowed. We accept mediocrity, last year going out to Clare, we should have won that game too, but supporters were happy with last year. This year has been a circus and that is the managements fault. Tactics are reflective of a football team, who ever came up with this game plan Wexford are using, should rightfully be called out. Same as our county board needs to be held accountable, BS around the new lights was embarrassing, we need proper coaching at all levels. If we get beaten on Wednesday then we are practically out of all championships for minor, u20 and senior, it's only early may… Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 07/05/2023 20:00:36 2476521 Link
Replying To hunting: "Well said, Martin storey was on south east radio this evening, going mad about happening at the moment" Heard Storey's interview. You could hear the frustration with tactics etc. and he spoke so much sense. Hurling is a very simple game that some coaches are trying to turn into a game of chess. Well worth a listen to. Interesting to hear him say he'd like to see Mac and jacko in the full forward line . HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 07/05/2023 20:24:49 2476526 Link
Replying To TerribleFootwork: "The biggest positive out of yesterday is Conor Foley is available for Wednesday night." Yes he's an important player for them. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16363 - 07/05/2023 20:40:00 2476530 Link
There a coach that comes to my local school employed by wexford gaa and they are supposed to be training hurling and football but they have spend the whole year so far, playing no man land and cat and mouse chasing games. That a fact. hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1149 - 07/05/2023 20:55:05 2476531 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Agree Egan should've showed more faith in starting Joe OC and Carty who played well in the League and seemed to do well when they came on. Carty plays centreback well for his club. Joe is a good hurler also. Both played very well for Wexfords u21s. Carty got an all star nomination at that grade playing centreback." I hate to pick out inexperienced lads but I thought JOC particularly was miles off it when he came in and not for the first time. Carty got a ball around midfield with Chin in space a few yards away, turned and hit it high and wide into the canal end without even a look at the posts. Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 427 - 07/05/2023 20:55:15 2476532 Link
Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Heard Storey's interview. You could hear the frustration with tactics etc. and he spoke so much sense. Hurling is a very simple game that some coaches are trying to turn into a game of chess. Well worth a listen to. Interesting to hear him say he'd like to see Mac and jacko in the full forward line ." Taught he made some valid points and some not so valid, suggesting Chin plays centre back is an odd one, overall I think a reboot in philosophy is needed in Wexford starting from next year, think the days of designated sweeper are now as good as obsolete naturally centre backs end up covering alot anyway, teams have figured out how to get around it and it leaves you to short upfront, our backs have to learn or have to be trusted to defend 1 on 1 as bar a few league games this year and the 1st half of last years championship we haven't played conveniently for over 6 years. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 07/05/2023 21:00:26 2476534 Link
Replying To Jedobi: "I got absolutely slated on here for stating the structures in place weren't good enough by some know it all. Well, this year is proving me correct. Wexford just aren't good enough at any level to win an All Ireland, we haven't won an All Ireland underage title since 1968, a league since 1973, one senior All Ireland in 53 years and 4 Leinster titles since 1977. It's not working, we are struggling to make any impact at any level in hurling and to compare that game against Dublin against the Tipp v Cork game is like talking about 2 completely different standards of hurling. We all want Wexford to be successful but I can't see Wexford winning an All Ireland in my lifetime again, just not good enough." Who told you that our underage structures were good? Or even adequate? There's no county board appointed and paid professional standard coaches going around the clubs giving underage training sessions at u10 or u12, not sure about u14 and u16. Parents of boys in Peters have complained about the standard of coaching there. There still doesn't seem to be much by way of S and C work and suitably designed programs going on pre minor level countywide, although our u14s, u16s minors and u20s have performed OK the last couple of years they still haven't had the psychological boost of winning any provincial silverware except in 2019 for decades, never mind national silverware. The biggest problem, according to most of my friends in other counties, remains the way most of our clubs are true dual clubs underage. Which is something I wouldn't want to see changed tbh. It's a tough one for sure, but I do think paid coaches going around and coaching a couple of sessions with all the u10 and u12 and u14 teams at every club wouldn't cost too much, and would have to improve the standard of underage coaching countywide. Most of the teams I've come across are coached by enthusiastic parents, most of whom never played either football or hurling at county level. At Senior level it's the near misses that bother me most. It's not like we have been beaten out the gate in the last 5 years by anyone in championship hurling, except for 2020. The 6 point loss to Galway this year is the heaviest defeat over 70 minutes that I can remember for a good while now, except 2020. So near yet so far. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16363 - 07/05/2023 21:04:50 2476537 Link
Replying To Timbertony: "I hate to pick out inexperienced lads but I thought JOC particularly was miles off it when he came in and not for the first time. Carty got a ball around midfield with Chin in space a few yards away, turned and hit it high and wide into the canal end without even a look at the posts." That was poor but other than that I thought he did OK. JoC hasn't been brilliant either but surely both would've done better than having 2 lads on the pitch in Ryan and Reck who were visibly not right and weren't able to cover ground. When the subs all came on we played better I thought and reeled in a 5 point deficit before the late late Donal show. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16363 - 07/05/2023 21:09:55 2476538 Link