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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Bizarre logic. From a traditional Irish nationalist/republican stance ALL of those things are as wrong now as they were in 1969. Or 1916 for that matter."
Do you still use quills ?

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 200 - 30/10/2025 16:30:10    2642275

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Replying To supersub15:  "An open post, possibly as a future topic.

Tags like Left of Center, Far Right, Center Left, Far Left, liberal conservatives, etc, etc. are no more than a smoke screen, conveniently put in place to confuse and keep people's minds busy and away from things that really matter, for example LPT.

LPT small print inc. Is changing at speed. RTE radio one, today with Claire Byrne, Katie Claire head of Local Property Tax Branch with Revenue on making an LPT return. It's more than interesting and it's worth a play back."
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Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 200 - 30/10/2025 16:31:21    2642276

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Replying To galwayford:  "SF are a fairly broad church. From the Pro life Martin McGuinness, and Pearse Doherty to the extreme left."
Doherty isn't extreme left

Cumann1 (Mayo) - Posts: 118 - 30/10/2025 17:02:44    2642281

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Replying To supersub15:  "An open post, possibly as a future topic.

Tags like Left of Center, Far Right, Center Left, Far Left, liberal conservatives, etc, etc. are no more than a smoke screen, conveniently put in place to confuse and keep people's minds busy and away from things that really matter, for example LPT.

LPT small print inc. Is changing at speed. RTE radio one, today with Claire Byrne, Katie Claire head of Local Property Tax Branch with Revenue on making an LPT return. It's more than interesting and it's worth a play back."
It's obvious you're confused if you think there's no difference between far left and far right

Cumann1 (Mayo) - Posts: 118 - 30/10/2025 17:04:52    2642282

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Replying To Cumann1:  "Doherty isn't extreme left"
With respect, he isn't saying that Doherty is far left.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1907 - 30/10/2025 18:41:00    2642290

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Replying To Freethinker:  "With respect, he isn't saying that Doherty is far left."
How would you know what he's saying unless you're one and the same?
He said Doherty is extreme left, Doherty isn't extreme left

Cumann1 (Mayo) - Posts: 118 - 30/10/2025 20:09:54    2642293

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Replying To Cumann1:  "It's obvious you're confused if you think there's no difference between far left and far right"
Perhaps I may be a bit confused, however I will admit I am not an expert or near it on politics, I tried to put on paper the definitive meaning and difference between far left and far right with little success

With respect, you yourself can't agree with another poster as to whether Doherty is far left or not, isn't that a form of confusion, these tags are meant to confuse

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3289 - 30/10/2025 21:36:06    2642302

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "It's 2025 lad. No party can be the same way it was 40 years ago never mind 100 years ago. Especially on some of the things you mentioned."
So British control of part of Ireland was not okay in 1969 but okay now?

Same with abortion? Its either wrong or it is not. Fact that itvwas approved in referendum is neither here nor there.

Most people are sheep. Took 1916 to wake them up for a few years. All back nodding away since.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3781 - 30/10/2025 23:15:20    2642308

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Replying To Cumann1:  "How would you know what he's saying unless you're one and the same?
He said Doherty is extreme left, Doherty isn't extreme left"
No he didn't. From Martin mcguuinness and pearse Doherty to far left. They're a broad church from right (mcguuinness) centre ( Doherty) to far left.
You're welcome.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 400 - 31/10/2025 00:36:23    2642312

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "It's 2025 lad. No party can be the same way it was 40 years ago never mind 100 years ago. Especially on some of the things you mentioned."
If you believe that the minority on the island of Ireland should accept that they should have no say in the destiny of the Island, its as valid as in 1916 as it would be today. Its something that has no relationship to the realities of life in the Island. The second major one which at least SF did give up was that change in the constitutional status was going to happen by force. Once it was accepted it would not happen they had to addresss what did they really stand for as a political party and that's not so easy. For some there will never be any turning on the first one.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2110 - 31/10/2025 09:28:07    2642327

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "So British control of part of Ireland was not okay in 1969 but okay now?

Same with abortion? Its either wrong or it is not. Fact that itvwas approved in referendum is neither here nor there.

Most people are sheep. Took 1916 to wake them up for a few years. All back nodding away since."
Ah good man Barney you know full well I wasn't talking about british control when I said things move on with time. Sheep, zzzzzzzzz.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8610 - 31/10/2025 10:22:01    2642331

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Replying To supersub15:  "Perhaps I may be a bit confused, however I will admit I am not an expert or near it on politics, I tried to put on paper the definitive meaning and difference between far left and far right with little success

With respect, you yourself can't agree with another poster as to whether Doherty is far left or not, isn't that a form of confusion, these tags are meant to confuse"
Haha, there's no confusion on my part. Why would I agree with someone who says Doherty is far left when he isn't? It's simple enough

Cumann1 (Mayo) - Posts: 118 - 31/10/2025 10:36:18    2642340

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "No he didn't. From Martin mcguuinness and pearse Doherty to far left. They're a broad church from right (mcguuinness) centre ( Doherty) to far left.
You're welcome."
More nonsense bringing McGuinness into it, he died over 8 years ago

Cumann1 (Mayo) - Posts: 118 - 31/10/2025 10:40:02    2642341

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "So British control of part of Ireland was not okay in 1969 but okay now?

Same with abortion? Its either wrong or it is not. Fact that itvwas approved in referendum is neither here nor there.

Most people are sheep. Took 1916 to wake them up for a few years. All back nodding away since."
What are you suggesting another revolution?

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11809 - 31/10/2025 10:52:24    2642348

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It's a sign of how much we are immersed in a system of the right when SF and SDs are considered hard left.

Hard left would want a complete overthrow of the political and economic system, all industry would be nationalised, severe restrictions placed on private property (if not abolished), the state takes over provision of all services, workers councils set up with a view to replacing the current political system. You are talking full on communism.

It doesn't really matter what Ogra SF have on t shirts, if you read SF policy documents along with SDs and Labour, they are all left of centre in the mould of most social democratic parties across Europe.

PBP are left wing but not radical revolutionaries and will try and affect change from within the current political and economic system aiming for a greater role of the state in the economy and more redistribution of wealth.

FF FG are centre right. Profit, wealth accumulation, big business and individualism take priority under their policies. Ireland incorporated if you will.

FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 438 - 31/10/2025 11:08:03    2642354

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Replying To FullOfPorter:  "It's a sign of how much we are immersed in a system of the right when SF and SDs are considered hard left.

Hard left would want a complete overthrow of the political and economic system, all industry would be nationalised, severe restrictions placed on private property (if not abolished), the state takes over provision of all services, workers councils set up with a view to replacing the current political system. You are talking full on communism.

It doesn't really matter what Ogra SF have on t shirts, if you read SF policy documents along with SDs and Labour, they are all left of centre in the mould of most social democratic parties across Europe.

PBP are left wing but not radical revolutionaries and will try and affect change from within the current political and economic system aiming for a greater role of the state in the economy and more redistribution of wealth.

FF FG are centre right. Profit, wealth accumulation, big business and individualism take priority under their policies. Ireland incorporated if you will."
Do we not need those FFFG things to enable us to pay for the SD Lab SF things?

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 200 - 31/10/2025 11:52:33    2642363

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Replying To zinny:  "If you believe that the minority on the island of Ireland should accept that they should have no say in the destiny of the Island, its as valid as in 1916 as it would be today. Its something that has no relationship to the realities of life in the Island. The second major one which at least SF did give up was that change in the constitutional status was going to happen by force. Once it was accepted it would not happen they had to addresss what did they really stand for as a political party and that's not so easy. For some there will never be any turning on the first one."
I was responding to Barney throwing immigration, EU and abortion into his ramblings.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8610 - 31/10/2025 11:53:39    2642364

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Replying To yew_tree:  "What are you suggesting another revolution?"
Might come to that yet! They don't have to be violent of course.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3781 - 31/10/2025 12:32:38    2642370

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Replying To Seanfan:  "Do we not need those FFFG things to enable us to pay for the SD Lab SF things?"
Anyone that says SF is hard left is incorrect, you've made the point yourself

Cumann1 (Mayo) - Posts: 118 - 31/10/2025 13:08:42    2642378

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Replying To Cumann1:  "Anyone that says SF is hard left is incorrect, you've made the point yourself"
I was responding to Porter who listed SF as Left.

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 200 - 31/10/2025 13:43:19    2642382

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