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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "We either live in a democracy or we don't, if a border poll is passed re- unification will happen. The influence of loyalists is confined to a few hardline areas in Belfast where they run the drug business and most local people want them off their backs. Brexit was a watershed moment with an Irish Sea border imposed against their will and barely a whimper out of the hardliners.
The days of threatening violence as Lloyd George did to Michael Collins in 1922 will not work this time"
Well those of you who live in the North would of course know better than us looking in from the outside. And I sincerely hope you are right. It would be fantastic to see a united and peaceful Ireland in our lifetimes. The vast majority of people just want to get by, and live their lives as healthily and prosperously as they can after all.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9640 - 13/03/2025 14:38:04    2596258

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If there was any loyalist violence in the event of a united Ireland what would be their aim other than to cause murder and mayhem and disrupt the country?
They would hardly be fighting so that they could somehow force the six counties join the UK?
The cause of Irish freedom going back from the time of the United Irishmen, the Ribbon men, the Fenians, IRB, IRA, all through the centuries had a just cause to free Ireland from occupation by a colonial power;
I don't see what cause the loyalists could have for an armed campaign after a united Ireland, if they can't stomach living in a united Ireland they are more than welcome to go and live in Britain as Arlene Foster said she would when a united Ireland comes into being.
I can see a border poll being called withing the next 10 years, Brexit has advanced the prospect a lot imo.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3106 - 13/03/2025 18:11:59    2596288

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "Our Cavan Comrade forever admires Rory Gallagher (not the singer). He even has a signed jersey from the wet week he played for them."
Could say the same for the wet weeks he stayed in Donegal…which is every week up there..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3581 - 13/03/2025 22:21:53    2596303

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Could say the same for the wet weeks he stayed in Donegal…which is every week up there.."
He lived with his family and ran a business there. Was a lot different to parachuting into Cavan for a few weeks of championship and then getting out of dodge again. Wouldn't blame him to be fair, hardly much to stay around for.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1144 - 14/03/2025 07:21:56    2596312

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "If there was any loyalist violence in the event of a united Ireland what would be their aim other than to cause murder and mayhem and disrupt the country?
They would hardly be fighting so that they could somehow force the six counties join the UK?
The cause of Irish freedom going back from the time of the United Irishmen, the Ribbon men, the Fenians, IRB, IRA, all through the centuries had a just cause to free Ireland from occupation by a colonial power;
I don't see what cause the loyalists could have for an armed campaign after a united Ireland, if they can't stomach living in a united Ireland they are more than welcome to go and live in Britain as Arlene Foster said she would when a united Ireland comes into being.
I can see a border poll being called withing the next 10 years, Brexit has advanced the prospect a lot imo."
It would be good if a border poll were called within the next 10 years because then the fantasy of it leading to a positive result would be shattered for a generation. And I'm saying that as someone who would vote yes.

With all the social tensions building up in the 26 counties we have never been more divided as a society. Add the 6 counties to the current 26 and it would just add another layer of chaos and deepen the rifts that are building up. There wont be a united Ireland in my grandchildren's lifetime never mind my own.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1989 - 14/03/2025 08:24:34    2596316

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "It would be good if a border poll were called within the next 10 years because then the fantasy of it leading to a positive result would be shattered for a generation. And I'm saying that as someone who would vote yes.

With all the social tensions building up in the 26 counties we have never been more divided as a society. Add the 6 counties to the current 26 and it would just add another layer of chaos and deepen the rifts that are building up. There wont be a united Ireland in my grandchildren's lifetime never mind my own."
You think a united Ireland would be a terrible idea but you would still vote for it, ???

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 379 - 14/03/2025 10:10:46    2596328

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "You think a united Ireland would be a terrible idea but you would still vote for it, ???"
As one who is a keen follower of this thread, I don't think PoolSurgeon said that he thought United Ireland would be a bad idea. He did point out the rather unclear route that we are currently travelling with social unrest etc, could cause even more social problems if the absorbing of the 6 counties brought any further issues alongside. I think that the biggest hurdle would be on the economic side. I also, while in my twilight years, would vote yes, as I have always believed we would be stronger in every way as a single entity, but getting there will certainly never happen now in my life time, sadly.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1486 - 14/03/2025 11:11:47    2596339

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "You think a united Ireland would be a terrible idea but you would still vote for it, ???"
No, you are reading more into what I've actually said. When you have a society as divided as we are becoming in the South and then add a long divided society in the North onto it, all you get is more disunity. For me, a united Ireland is an ideal that I cherish and for that reason I would vote for it but I dont see it as in any way practical for the forseeable future. We are a society in flux , as a country I dont think we have a clear sense of ourselves, and until we seriously begin to address that question of who we are and have an open discussion on it all talk of unity is nothing more than that.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1989 - 14/03/2025 12:46:28    2596347

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