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Replying To Freethinker:  "I used to employ up 20 people - all Irish. Dry few of them would put in a shift till that guy did yesterday. I'd be a millionaire if I had had a dozen like him"
Were you managing the Ireland Rugby team?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7802 - 23/02/2025 18:17:45    2592679

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Replying To zinny:  "What's your point Doyler? A person cannot change their race but race and culture are different. Unfortunately there are a lot of people on here who don't believe that."
Agreed. My point is that culture forms a part of nationality. It's not about race at all.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3411 - 23/02/2025 18:26:00    2592685

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "They're entitled to their opinion. He's preventing Irish players playing for Ireland. He did nothing for his country. New Zealand and Samoa don't compete in the 6 Nations. It's his adopted country. I played rugby in The Sportsground in the 90s. A long time before Bundee ever heard of it. Work that out."
In your wisdom and as you played the game would you mind naming the IRISH players that are loosing out because of Bundee and going by your thinking half the all blacks shouldn't be playing for new Zealand as they aren't from there and Scotland and even the great England have used non home grown players do I just get a hint of Jealousy did you miss out ?

minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 259 - 23/02/2025 18:45:20    2592695

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Still doesn't make him Irish… it's not his country.. it's his paid workplace… only doing what he's paid for"
Let's be fair about this, he is an Irish citizen, he pays his taxes etc,etc.
We know nothing about you, whether you are Irish or not, whether you pay your taxes or not. So for those reasons he is more Irish than you or anyone else here that begrudges him.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3124 - 23/02/2025 18:54:06    2592699

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Replying To minor77:  "In your wisdom and as you played the game would you mind naming the IRISH players that are loosing out because of Bundee and going by your thinking half the all blacks shouldn't be playing for new Zealand as they aren't from there and Scotland and even the great England have used non home grown players do I just get a hint of Jealousy did you miss out ?"
Sorry, you asked me about Bundee, who he's keeping out. Probably not much longer though. Osborne or McCloskey. I don't think any international team should have imports.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7802 - 23/02/2025 19:26:06    2592713

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Sorry, you asked me about Bundee, who he's keeping out. Probably not much longer though. Osborne or McCloskey. I don't think any international team should have imports."
So going by that New Zealand would have half a team Japan Italy Australia i could go on and comparing Bundee to Osborne ??

minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 259 - 23/02/2025 20:36:11    2592742

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Were you managing the Ireland Rugby team?"
How is that relevant to my reply ??

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1450 - 23/02/2025 20:45:04    2592747

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Replying To supersub15:  "Let's be fair about this, he is an Irish citizen, he pays his taxes etc,etc.
We know nothing about you, whether you are Irish or not, whether you pay your taxes or not. So for those reasons he is more Irish than you or anyone else here that begrudges him."
He is simply not Irish but the silly way the rugby is run allows guys without a trace of Irish blood represent the country…. It's not their fault but without these guys this supposed Irish team would probably struggle…… Ah sure your probably not even Irish yourself for all we know..!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3518 - 23/02/2025 21:11:42    2592756

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Replying To supersub15:  "Let's be fair about this, he is an Irish citizen, he pays his taxes etc,etc.
We know nothing about you, whether you are Irish or not, whether you pay your taxes or not. So for those reasons he is more Irish than you or anyone else here that begrudges him."
You know nothing about Bundee either other than what your reading about him.I have plenty of friends in Galway who wouldnt be singing his praises when he first arrived at Connacht

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 153 - 23/02/2025 21:25:14    2592762

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Replying To supersub15:  "To be fair, I didn't see any sign of panic yesterday and if you were watching it yourself, I would hasten to add neither did you, I will agree that mistakes were made and that happens. Ireland went from 10pts.up to 13 - 10 down at h/t, they also lost Garry Ringrose through a red card. Ireland went 18 - 10 down a few mins into the second half, back to 15 players and that's when Ireland started to dominate the game heavily, Wales never scored from then till the game ended, whereas Ireland scored 2 try's 2 conversions and a monster of a penalty, unless I'm mistaken, all in 30 ish mins. Or there about.

I'm guessing that there were 7 changes from the Scotland game including a new captain, you would have to name the green horns to me because I can't name one. I am hoping Ireland can take the game to France and come away with a win, I am optimistic, and I believe Ireland have the ability to do just that."
I saw it alright. Not sure if you saw it though, or were you 'seeing things'? There weren't 2 tries scored by Ireland in 30mins. Only one in fact. The other Ireland try was the first score of the game.

As for greenhorns, I'd certainly be naming Clarkson, McCarthy and Prendergast in that category currently. Osborne inexperienced too, but was solid on the day.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3985 - 23/02/2025 21:34:52    2592765

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Replying To minor77:  "So going by that New Zealand would have half a team Japan Italy Australia i could go on and comparing Bundee to Osborne ??"
Not sure where you're going with your half a team for New Zealand. Almost their entire squad is born in New Zealand. Out of their most recent of 36, only 5 were born abroad. Two of them born in Australia to families from New Zealand, so they're eligible regardless.
Two born in Tonga who moved to NZ as kids. Only one player who moved to NZ to play rugby (from Fiji), and became eligible on residency grounds.
There's a common misconception about NZ that they have lots of imports playing for them, but the truth is the vast bast majority of their team are home born and developed.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2242 - 23/02/2025 21:49:40    2592774

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Replying To minor77:  "So going by that New Zealand would have half a team Japan Italy Australia i could go on and comparing Bundee to Osborne ??"
International rugby would be International rugby. Players representing their own country. Not countries, who can afford to, buying in some talented rugby players better than what they have in some positions, who weren't good enough to be picked for stronger nations. Having the confidence to improve the standard of Irish players even if that takes years longer.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7802 - 23/02/2025 22:13:14    2592789

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Replying To Freethinker:  "How is that relevant to my reply ??"
Is Bundee Aki playing rugby for Ireland? You were comparing previous employees to him.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7802 - 23/02/2025 22:15:59    2592791

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Steady on, he played a rugby game for 27 mins and got handsomely remunerated. It's a fact that our best four players in rugby only qualify because of a rule that has now changed.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2042 - 24/02/2025 01:35:26    2592811

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Steady on, he played a rugby game for 27 mins and got handsomely remunerated. It's a fact that our best four players in rugby only qualify because of a rule that has now changed."
Mack hansen qualified from birth. He was always elig9ble for ireland.
The rule around residency players has changed but all these players could still qualify now. Just it would be 2 years more bwfore they would wualify.
They werent our 4 best players on the day either

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3730 - 24/02/2025 10:17:15    2592839

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "International rugby would be International rugby. Players representing their own country. Not countries, who can afford to, buying in some talented rugby players better than what they have in some positions, who weren't good enough to be picked for stronger nations. Having the confidence to improve the standard of Irish players even if that takes years longer."
Donegal man Dave Gallagher was the Captain of "The Original's", the first All Blacks New Zealand team to tour outside of Australasia in 1905-1906. He was born in Ramelton in Co Donegal, his family later moved to New Zealand.

I have no issue with men from New Zealand etc playing for Ireland, in fact I am honoured that they do.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1290 - 24/02/2025 10:50:26    2592853

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Mack hansen qualified from birth. He was always elig9ble for ireland.
The rule around residency players has changed but all these players could still qualify now. Just it would be 2 years more bwfore they would wualify.
They werent our 4 best players on the day either"
Gibson Park didn't even make an Ireland squad til he was over 4 years here. If he had of been brought in just to play for Ireland he would've been starting after 3 years. As it was it was over 5 years before he made his 1st start.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14974 - 24/02/2025 11:20:54    2592859

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Replying To Commodore:  "Donegal man Dave Gallagher was the Captain of "The Original's", the first All Blacks New Zealand team to tour outside of Australasia in 1905-1906. He was born in Ramelton in Co Donegal, his family later moved to New Zealand.

I have no issue with men from New Zealand etc playing for Ireland, in fact I am honoured that they do."
We'll agree to disagree Commodore. I know that imports improve the standard of the national tram temporarily but don't think it's a good long term plan, even when it's pushed out to 5 years residency before playing for Ireland. I heard about Gallagher. Did an All Blacks team recently enough visit Donegal to honour him while they were on tour?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7802 - 24/02/2025 12:14:21    2592875

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Replying To Viking66:  "Gibson Park didn't even make an Ireland squad til he was over 4 years here. If he had of been brought in just to play for Ireland he would've been starting after 3 years. As it was it was over 5 years before he made his 1st start."
He wasn't good enough to play after 3 years. They couldn't be guaranteed a cap after 3 years and now after 5 years. Form, injury, a player well better than them in the same position could prevent them playing. Right now they're worth their starting place.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7802 - 24/02/2025 12:17:57    2592877

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "We'll agree to disagree Commodore. I know that imports improve the standard of the national tram temporarily but don't think it's a good long term plan, even when it's pushed out to 5 years residency before playing for Ireland. I heard about Gallagher. Did an All Blacks team recently enough visit Donegal to honour him while they were on tour?"
If Mayo had the option of bringing in say Fenton during the nearly years of All Irelands and they won do you think the kids in Mayo woukd have cared. Would they have said ibam not going to play anymore because of that lad or would they be inspired to play to game to emulate their hero's? In a battle for kids hears and minds, who wins, winners or gallant losers?
The import players was controlled and they have an never will have an impact on player development, I am not sure if could say the same about the AIL but then again, do the IRFU care about the also rans

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1924 - 24/02/2025 13:14:33    2592885

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