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Replying To monman91:  "Oram rested half their team as the had the group topped regardless of the result."
To many oram lads carrying timber, they'll win nothing with a small squad and god help them if they did go intermediate…it would be a painful year… junior is the worst standard its been in about 20/25 years so drumhowan, toome and Eire og will never get a better chance to win it…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 554 - 18/09/2024 11:26:55    2570532

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Replying To Farney2022:  "I fancy currin to turn over eire og in the QF, dark horses to win junior imo."
If they couldn't beat a poor rock team at home last weekend they'll win nothing…..

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 554 - 18/09/2024 11:27:35    2570533

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Replying To veterngaa:  "I didn't know Oram hada squad to rest players … There has been some waffle spouted here about the junior championship. It's the most difficult to win baca use of the pressure riding on it … wouldn't put it past scotstown to go and win it"
Through sheer weight of numbers I would imagine within the next 3/4 years scotstowns 2nd/3rd team will be playing intermediate football….and that will be without dipping into the transfer market again….

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 554 - 18/09/2024 11:29:16    2570535

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Replying To mick2007:  "Through sheer weight of numbers I would imagine within the next 3/4 years scotstowns 2nd/3rd team will be playing intermediate football….and that will be without dipping into the transfer market again…."
It's true though with their coaching and numbers. In Armagh Clann Eireann 2nds are in the intermediate quarter final… you would imagine that's were scotstown juniors will be in a few years.

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 684 - 18/09/2024 11:58:16    2570545

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Replying To Monaghansclown:  "I must say I think the standard has been nothing short of awful in Junior the last number of years and the gap between Junior and Intermediate has widened. Blackhill winning a double last year and getting to an Ulster junior final and looking almost certain to come straight back down is a testament to that. Men on here think Oram and Drumhowen and the likes could survive in Intermediate, as Keano would say do me a favour. Some teams are just meant for certain divisions. Though it must be said fair play to Tyholland for bucking the trend although luck was on their side with that championship group.

The gap between intermediate and senior has probably narrowed in the last few years when you see teams like Corduff going from near the bottom of intermediate to contesting for Mick Duffys. Not sure if that is a sign of strength of weakness in Monaghan club football though."
Do you follow football??

Killanny won the junior league 2 years ago and won the intermediate championship their first year back up.

Clones who won the championship that year also stayed up in their first year.

The year seans won the junior championship, they stayed up and were competitive in intermediate the following year as we're Toome who won the junior league and were just pipped by Corduff in the intermediate semi final.

So your statement is incorrect with regards junior team..
2019 blackhill went up winning championship stayed up following year..

2020.. aughnamullen won junior stayed up following year

2021 seans toome went up both stayed up following year

2022 clones killanny went up both stayed up following year

2023 blackhil tyholland went up of which one is going to stay stop for definite.

Yes it probably is harder for smaller clubs to stay up for a length of time with regards squad numbers etc.

But to say teams going straight up haven't been competitive is a ridiculous statement

currinman (Monaghan) - Posts: 42 - 18/09/2024 12:12:58    2570550

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Replying To currinman:  "Do you follow football??

Killanny won the junior league 2 years ago and won the intermediate championship their first year back up.

Clones who won the championship that year also stayed up in their first year.

The year seans won the junior championship, they stayed up and were competitive in intermediate the following year as we're Toome who won the junior league and were just pipped by Corduff in the intermediate semi final.

So your statement is incorrect with regards junior team..
2019 blackhill went up winning championship stayed up following year..

2020.. aughnamullen won junior stayed up following year

2021 seans toome went up both stayed up following year

2022 clones killanny went up both stayed up following year

2023 blackhil tyholland went up of which one is going to stay stop for definite.

Yes it probably is harder for smaller clubs to stay up for a length of time with regards squad numbers etc.

But to say teams going straight up haven't been competitive is a ridiculous statement"
Normally I would agree with that however having seen a fair bit of both junior and intermediate this year I would have my doubts.. take the bog for example if toome win the champ there's a good chance bog will win the league because toomes eyes will be on ulster… if the bog went up I would struggle to see who they would beat… 99% of their team is 5ft nothing and would struggle physically in intermediate next year…remember they haven't won a game in the junior champ in 3 years so hardly bodes well…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 554 - 18/09/2024 12:56:50    2570556

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Replying To currinman:  "Do you follow football??

Killanny won the junior league 2 years ago and won the intermediate championship their first year back up.

Clones who won the championship that year also stayed up in their first year.

The year seans won the junior championship, they stayed up and were competitive in intermediate the following year as we're Toome who won the junior league and were just pipped by Corduff in the intermediate semi final.

So your statement is incorrect with regards junior team..
2019 blackhill went up winning championship stayed up following year..

2020.. aughnamullen won junior stayed up following year

2021 seans toome went up both stayed up following year

2022 clones killanny went up both stayed up following year

2023 blackhil tyholland went up of which one is going to stay stop for definite.

Yes it probably is harder for smaller clubs to stay up for a length of time with regards squad numbers etc.

But to say teams going straight up haven't been competitive is a ridiculous statement"
Only jack had scotstown blood in his wee toe and left my money would have been on the currin bogmen winning junior this year…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 554 - 18/09/2024 12:58:08    2570557

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Replying To mick2007:  "Normally I would agree with that however having seen a fair bit of both junior and intermediate this year I would have my doubts.. take the bog for example if toome win the champ there's a good chance bog will win the league because toomes eyes will be on ulster… if the bog went up I would struggle to see who they would beat… 99% of their team is 5ft nothing and would struggle physically in intermediate next year…remember they haven't won a game in the junior champ in 3 years so hardly bodes well…"
So if you topped the league and won the league final you don't think they would be deserving of playing intermediate football?
Tyholland went up to intermediate after losing both finals last year.

Farney2022 (Monaghan) - Posts: 44 - 18/09/2024 13:26:23    2570571

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Replying To currinman:  "Do you follow football??

Killanny won the junior league 2 years ago and won the intermediate championship their first year back up.

Clones who won the championship that year also stayed up in their first year.

The year seans won the junior championship, they stayed up and were competitive in intermediate the following year as we're Toome who won the junior league and were just pipped by Corduff in the intermediate semi final.

So your statement is incorrect with regards junior team..
2019 blackhill went up winning championship stayed up following year..

2020.. aughnamullen won junior stayed up following year

2021 seans toome went up both stayed up following year

2022 clones killanny went up both stayed up following year

2023 blackhil tyholland went up of which one is going to stay stop for definite.

Yes it probably is harder for smaller clubs to stay up for a length of time with regards squad numbers etc.

But to say teams going straight up haven't been competitive is a ridiculous statement"
Killanny and Aughnamullen had been yoyoing between all 3 divisions for a number of years and shouldn't have been there in the first place. Clones likely to come down this year despite good minor teams in the last few years. Seans had a good year where they lost an intermediate final by a point but are now back scrapping at the bottom of junior. I'm talking mostly about your traditional junior teams in the last 15/20 years. Killeevan, Oram, Drumhowen, Smithboro, those teams are getting further and further away every year. You can put it down to money that the bigger clubs have but I watched a lot of Junior football this year and I thought the standard was cat. Most teams have one or two nice footballers who could cut it with any club but there is a lot of hatchet men in their 40s that are fond of their spuds. If you think you're going to go up through the divisions with a team full of those boys then you've another thing coming.

Monaghansclown (Monaghan) - Posts: 189 - 18/09/2024 13:35:35    2570573

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Replying To veterngaa:  "It's true though with their coaching and numbers. In Armagh Clann Eireann 2nds are in the intermediate quarter final… you would imagine that's were scotstown juniors will be in a few years."
I don't think Scotstowns ambition is too win a Junior championship! If the club got behind it they possibly could run it close, and they may well be on the premises due to the quality coming through and experience!

I think the Scotstown approach is "as many as possible for as long as possible!"

I think they are great for the junior league as clubs bring their best to take on and beat Scotstown and it improves the overall competition and standard in the league!

Junior is primarily made up of North Monaghan clubs!
In Senior Scotstown and Clontibret are the only Northern Clubs!

I've seen enough of Intermediate this past 2 years to say the overall quality is poor and going by that Junior must be awful!

What is South Monaghan doing that North Monaghan isn't! Bar Scotstown the standard is poor in North Monaghan!

Mcloone appear to be coming strong at juvenile level!

farneygossip (Monaghan) - Posts: 38 - 18/09/2024 14:01:32    2570576

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Replying To Monaghansclown:  "Killanny and Aughnamullen had been yoyoing between all 3 divisions for a number of years and shouldn't have been there in the first place. Clones likely to come down this year despite good minor teams in the last few years. Seans had a good year where they lost an intermediate final by a point but are now back scrapping at the bottom of junior. I'm talking mostly about your traditional junior teams in the last 15/20 years. Killeevan, Oram, Drumhowen, Smithboro, those teams are getting further and further away every year. You can put it down to money that the bigger clubs have but I watched a lot of Junior football this year and I thought the standard was cat. Most teams have one or two nice footballers who could cut it with any club but there is a lot of hatchet men in their 40s that are fond of their spuds. If you think you're going to go up through the divisions with a team full of those boys then you've another thing coming."
strange statement you can put it down to money,
what's money got to do with it.
Sean's are one riches clubs in Monaghan, an online bingo that's making a fortune.
and facilities on a par with any club in Ireland.
Its population and playing resources,
Look at the juvenile structure of the majority of junior clubs over the last 10-15 years.
The majority of junior clubs have amalgamated . in fact 8 of the current junior team are amalgamated for at least one if not two age groups over the years. mainly U16 and Minor.
Currin & Clones @ U18
Eire Og & Killeevan @ U18
Oram & Blackhill @ U16
Drumhowan with Doohamlet @ U16
Toome have had no juvenile teams in nearly 5 years. they have a couple of lads loaned to Corduff.
Then look at the number of primary schools and sizes in those catchment area.
Drumhowan no school , kids go to loughmoran in Aughnamullen.
Blackhill no school, , kids go to Castleblayney boys school or geal scoil,
Oram , small school ,
Currin, small school,
Aghabog small school,
Killeevan and Eire og, kids from both clubs going to both areas.

then look at the representation of regular county players from junior clubs over the last 20 years
Currin = Jack and Dick
Killeevan = Larmer and Martin
Aghabog = ???
Rockcorry = ???
Eire og = McKenna's
Drumhowan = McGinnity, McElroy, McDermott, Daly
Blackhill =???
Oram = Irwin
Toome =???
Seans = Niall Kearns & Mark Keogh


My point is Its population and playing resources,
club who have had major housing scheme build in their areas in the last 20 years have benefitted from the rise in population and playing numbers . Killanny the best example.

latefortraining (Monaghan) - Posts: 120 - 18/09/2024 14:49:50    2570586

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Replying To farneygossip:  "I don't think Scotstowns ambition is too win a Junior championship! If the club got behind it they possibly could run it close, and they may well be on the premises due to the quality coming through and experience!

I think the Scotstown approach is "as many as possible for as long as possible!"

I think they are great for the junior league as clubs bring their best to take on and beat Scotstown and it improves the overall competition and standard in the league!

Junior is primarily made up of North Monaghan clubs!
In Senior Scotstown and Clontibret are the only Northern Clubs!

I've seen enough of Intermediate this past 2 years to say the overall quality is poor and going by that Junior must be awful!

What is South Monaghan doing that North Monaghan isn't! Bar Scotstown the standard is poor in North Monaghan!

Mcloone appear to be coming strong at juvenile level!"
The Sem in the last 10-15 years has achieved very little success and if rumours are to be believed they do more work ruining young fellas confidence than developing cubs over the last few years. The tech schools around the county, namely Blayney and Ballybay have been great breeding grounds for young footballers over the last while.

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 181 - 18/09/2024 21:01:22    2570631

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Replying To mick2007:  "To many oram lads carrying timber, they'll win nothing with a small squad and god help them if they did go intermediate…it would be a painful year… junior is the worst standard its been in about 20/25 years so drumhowan, toome and Eire og will never get a better chance to win it…"
How many numbers would u class as a small squad? Oram have a 28 man squad and without injuries a 30 man squad!

Monaghan_football (Monaghan) - Posts: 33 - 18/09/2024 21:49:28    2570635

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "Exactly ten years from they won the All Ireland they're back in intermediate, a lot of players that won it then are still playing- I'd imagine they'd be embarrassed to win it again."
What do you think their downfall has been Niall?

FarneyGael23 (Monaghan) - Posts: 5 - 19/09/2024 04:20:58    2570655

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Replying To Monaghan_football:  "How many numbers would u class as a small squad? Oram have a 28 man squad and without injuries a 30 man squad!"
Latton's third team beat oram in the McKeown cup final at the end of July, Lattons only senior player was Cian Mulligan in goals, Oram had 7 or 8 that have played championship this years, where's the squad depth ???.
they have a panel 20 players , I remember a few years back Seans played Blackhill in a junior final in Drumhowan with 45 men togged. Blackhill beat them.

latefortraining (Monaghan) - Posts: 120 - 19/09/2024 08:28:42    2570662

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "The Sem in the last 10-15 years has achieved very little success and if rumours are to be believed they do more work ruining young fellas confidence than developing cubs over the last few years. The tech schools around the county, namely Blayney and Ballybay have been great breeding grounds for young footballers over the last while."
absolute nonsense about tech schools.
here the all-ireland minor team beaten by derry in 2023.
The Sem, Our Lady's Castleblayey and Patrican Carrick are the schools providing the players.

Monaghan: J Mooney; D Connolly (0-01), C Greenan, C Meehan; A Stuart, T Mallen, J Lynch; M Carolan, S O'Connell; C Jones, M McGinnity (0-03, 3f), S Og McElwain (0-01); T Quinn, M Finn (0-04, 1f), L McKenna.

Subs: C Clerkin for Lynch (16), C Murphy for O'Connell (40), E McCaffrey for Stuart (49), M Maguire for Jones (49), J McCaughey for McGinnity (61).

The main secondary schools in Monaghan are playing 3 grades above Ballybay Tech, Beechill, Inver , Largy and Ard Scoil Lorgan.
McLaron and MacRory cup football is where its at.
Ballybay won a tier 4 competition in 2020 , Aron Mulligan carried them .

latefortraining (Monaghan) - Posts: 120 - 19/09/2024 08:37:02    2570663

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See people on here saying how good Scotstown is and how their B/C team will be competing in intermediate in a few years, how the north of Monaghan is so weak compared to Scotstown etc.... well not a bit of wonder theres 4 villages all playing for the one club. What do you expect!!!

ScarnaMan1990 (Monaghan) - Posts: 32 - 19/09/2024 08:45:05    2570664

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "The Sem in the last 10-15 years has achieved very little success and if rumours are to be believed they do more work ruining young fellas confidence than developing cubs over the last few years. The tech schools around the county, namely Blayney and Ballybay have been great breeding grounds for young footballers over the last while."
What's the rumours to ruining players confidence?

farneygossip (Monaghan) - Posts: 38 - 19/09/2024 09:07:18    2570668

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Replying To ScarnaMan1990:  "See people on here saying how good Scotstown is and how their B/C team will be competing in intermediate in a few years, how the north of Monaghan is so weak compared to Scotstown etc.... well not a bit of wonder theres 4 villages all playing for the one club. What do you expect!!!"
completely agree. with such a big population within this club, they have more of everything, pick of players, funding, coaching and support. id be concerned if they weren't doing so well

Snliage1234 (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 19/09/2024 09:26:49    2570672

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Replying To ScarnaMan1990:  "See people on here saying how good Scotstown is and how their B/C team will be competing in intermediate in a few years, how the north of Monaghan is so weak compared to Scotstown etc.... well not a bit of wonder theres 4 villages all playing for the one club. What do you expect!!!"
5 villages when you include Scotshouse.

Farney2022 (Monaghan) - Posts: 44 - 19/09/2024 09:29:42    2570673

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