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Replying To CARPS:  "That would make a total mockery of the integrity of the competition."
Fair enough I agree but this mess is such it needs a least worst outcome to be found.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1674 - 22/09/2025 15:36:16    2637084

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Fair enough I agree but this mess is such it needs a least worst outcome to be found."
It's not really much of a mess. Contentious points are part of parcel of GAA.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 932 - 22/09/2025 16:00:22    2637090

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Replying To CARPS:  "It's not really much of a mess. Contentious points are part of parcel of GAA."
I disagree. This is a bigger mess than a normal contentious point dispute because three teams have a lot hanging on how it's resolved.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1674 - 22/09/2025 17:51:09    2637107

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Replying To pieman:  "Can I ask, are that club that you are referring to actively poaching players? Or are parents from the town, who don't have a Gaa affinity or specific club affinity, who are sending their kids to the school out there, letting their kids play with their friends?"
If a club is doing massive work with juveniles ot not fair to say they are "actively poaching" anybody. Eire og is where 90% of town kids choose to go. They have 60 u12 boys playing, Asca have maybe 8 and the Blues the same. Pal have only the kids that go to bennekerry school and maybe sons of Pal fathers from the town. It's Eire og and Pal doing massive work at this stage to get their kids playing. Eire og are not going to turn any child away but equally are not going to stop any joining the blues or asca. Football needs more than 1 town team and it's bad for Carlow football when Blues and Asca struggle at juvenile. Pal seem to keep their kids playing and retain them Eire og seem to have a huge drop off. Eire og have 1 minor team and it's fairly young, Blues and Asca don't even have a minor team I think. Where are all the 17 to 18 years old in Carlow gone ?

Carlowgeal (Carlow) - Posts: 6 - 22/09/2025 18:15:04    2637109

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "I disagree. This is a bigger mess than a normal contentious point dispute because three teams have a lot hanging on how it's resolved."
If the point had been the last kick of the game, it might be a big deal. But not midway through the first half.

Tinryland knew the score. They had the entire second half to beat Bagenalstown.

I repeat: this cannot be overturned, unless Carlow County Board has totally lost the plot. And I assume they haven't.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 932 - 22/09/2025 20:24:32    2637120

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Reading all the posts about the replay and everyones opinion confirms one thing - this is not an easy decision. There is no 100% correct decision its hampering someone or unfair on someone whatever the outcome - for me I think there probably should be a replay, we arent talking a square ball or a ball going over the post or a goal after the whistle etc. It was a ball that went between the posts and was put up on the scoreboard that was then taken away simple as that I am afraid. I really would not be Tinrylands biggest fan for multiple reasons however I feel for them in this situation.

B town are the big player here if they just outright refuse what can you do? Fenagh as it stands are in a quarter final so you cant force them down to relagation? They werent even involved in the game- replay or leave it be. This wont be sorted quickly though either and therefore Pal and Rathvilly are going to be maybe 3, 4 or 5 weeks without a game thats not fair either. I honestly have no idea what will happen and I dont know if there is a right answer unlike what some are saying. For me a replay asap - b town might refuse or play a bogey team theres just so many outcomes

FearCeatharlach (Carlow) - Posts: 38 - 22/09/2025 23:59:29    2637140

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Replying To FearCeatharlach:  "Reading all the posts about the replay and everyones opinion confirms one thing - this is not an easy decision. There is no 100% correct decision its hampering someone or unfair on someone whatever the outcome - for me I think there probably should be a replay, we arent talking a square ball or a ball going over the post or a goal after the whistle etc. It was a ball that went between the posts and was put up on the scoreboard that was then taken away simple as that I am afraid. I really would not be Tinrylands biggest fan for multiple reasons however I feel for them in this situation.

B town are the big player here if they just outright refuse what can you do? Fenagh as it stands are in a quarter final so you cant force them down to relagation? They werent even involved in the game- replay or leave it be. This wont be sorted quickly though either and therefore Pal and Rathvilly are going to be maybe 3, 4 or 5 weeks without a game thats not fair either. I honestly have no idea what will happen and I dont know if there is a right answer unlike what some are saying. For me a replay asap - b town might refuse or play a bogey team theres just so many outcomes"
There cannot be a replay, because Bagenalstown have nothing to play for. It would turn the competition into a joke.

The are only two solutions here

a) Do nothing
b) organise a three way play off between Fenagh, Bagnenalstown and Tinryland.

Why would Fenagh or the town agree to b?

Even if it finished the same way, they'd have played two extra games.

Meanwhile, their opponents can have a nice two or three week rest and do some extra training to prepare.

So, basically, unless the final decision is a) it will set a very dangerous precedent and turn Carlow GAA into a laughing stock.

Tinryland should stop worrying about this and get ready for their game against Eire Og.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 932 - 23/09/2025 08:52:17    2637150

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Replying To Carlowgeal:  "If a club is doing massive work with juveniles ot not fair to say they are "actively poaching" anybody. Eire og is where 90% of town kids choose to go. They have 60 u12 boys playing, Asca have maybe 8 and the Blues the same. Pal have only the kids that go to bennekerry school and maybe sons of Pal fathers from the town. It's Eire og and Pal doing massive work at this stage to get their kids playing. Eire og are not going to turn any child away but equally are not going to stop any joining the blues or asca. Football needs more than 1 town team and it's bad for Carlow football when Blues and Asca struggle at juvenile. Pal seem to keep their kids playing and retain them Eire og seem to have a huge drop off. Eire og have 1 minor team and it's fairly young, Blues and Asca don't even have a minor team I think. Where are all the 17 to 18 years old in Carlow gone ?"
Fully agree. My reply to the original post was to ask if the feeling is that Pal are actively poaching players, which is not the impression I would be getting. Just because they seem to have their act together with underage coaching, they shouldn't be seen as the problem. Its up to all other clubs to get their act together with the help of the county coard

pieman (Carlow) - Posts: 70 - 23/09/2025 10:25:08    2637165

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Replying To FearCeatharlach:  "Reading all the posts about the replay and everyones opinion confirms one thing - this is not an easy decision. There is no 100% correct decision its hampering someone or unfair on someone whatever the outcome - for me I think there probably should be a replay, we arent talking a square ball or a ball going over the post or a goal after the whistle etc. It was a ball that went between the posts and was put up on the scoreboard that was then taken away simple as that I am afraid. I really would not be Tinrylands biggest fan for multiple reasons however I feel for them in this situation.

B town are the big player here if they just outright refuse what can you do? Fenagh as it stands are in a quarter final so you cant force them down to relagation? They werent even involved in the game- replay or leave it be. This wont be sorted quickly though either and therefore Pal and Rathvilly are going to be maybe 3, 4 or 5 weeks without a game thats not fair either. I honestly have no idea what will happen and I dont know if there is a right answer unlike what some are saying. For me a replay asap - b town might refuse or play a bogey team theres just so many outcomes"
There is no way there can be a replay.

Only Bagenalstown can offer a replay - the county board cannot order a replay.

How could Bagenalstown offer a replay when they'd be accussed of stabbing their neighbours Fenagh in the front! So that's not going to happen nor should Bagenalstown be put under any pressure to offer a replay. That would only cause another problem as Fenagh would definitely have a strong case to take all the way to the DRA in Croke Park (a stronger case than Tinryland currently have) so I think a replay would only compound the issue and potentially drag things out even further.

You'd hope Tinryland would do a Kilkenny on it and say yes we were wronged but we'll take it on the chin and we're going to get on with winning the relegation match. It doesn't sound like they will though and they're up for fighting this. But what can the county board do? Only one outcome as far as I can see and that they'd have to reject any objection and say they are accepting the refs report and her final score. Then will Tinryland go to Leinster and Croke Park with this?

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1674 - 23/09/2025 10:37:50    2637168

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "There is no way there can be a replay.

Only Bagenalstown can offer a replay - the county board cannot order a replay.

How could Bagenalstown offer a replay when they'd be accussed of stabbing their neighbours Fenagh in the front! So that's not going to happen nor should Bagenalstown be put under any pressure to offer a replay. That would only cause another problem as Fenagh would definitely have a strong case to take all the way to the DRA in Croke Park (a stronger case than Tinryland currently have) so I think a replay would only compound the issue and potentially drag things out even further.

You'd hope Tinryland would do a Kilkenny on it and say yes we were wronged but we'll take it on the chin and we're going to get on with winning the relegation match. It doesn't sound like they will though and they're up for fighting this. But what can the county board do? Only one outcome as far as I can see and that they'd have to reject any objection and say they are accepting the refs report and her final score. Then will Tinryland go to Leinster and Croke Park with this?"
Just saw the video of the score that wasn't given, how in the name of God did the umpires not see it, the mind boggles

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2532 - 23/09/2025 13:47:11    2637185

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County board are saying the results stand. Tinryland are exploring other options. I'm hearing legal ones

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1729 - 23/09/2025 14:58:38    2637199

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "County board are saying the results stand. Tinryland are exploring other options. I'm hearing legal ones"
Good luck to them with that... if they want to waste the money of their members.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 932 - 23/09/2025 15:17:28    2637202

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Fenagh had to play Pal on Friday night whilst Tinryland could see the outcome of that game and know exactly what they needed to do to progress to a Qtr final. They also had the luxury to see who they would be playing in a relagation final as Eire Og and MLR played on the Saturday night. Tinryland did not say this was unfair on Fenagh? Both games in tinrylands group should have been played at the same time as there was so much on the line for all clubs involved.

Tinryland went into the game on Sunday knowing a win puts them through at Fenaghs expense and a draw/lose against Btown would result in playing Eire Og in a relegation final.

They knew what they needed to do against Btown and the simple answer is, they didn't get over the line. The Point should have been given but it wasn't, many a point has/hasnt been giving up the lenght and breath of the country since the dawn of the GAA, unfortunately there is a thing called human error and I'm sure that both the umpiries and referee involved are not happy they missed this.

Truth of the matter is, Tinryland had every advantage going into the game on Sunday and they didnt get the job done. Time to get on with it now and show everyone in Carlow what they can do on their day and try and take the scalp of Eire Og.

TheBarrowLad (Carlow) - Posts: 1 - 23/09/2025 15:31:35    2637203

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The county board's hands are tied on this one. The rules state an objection can't be upheld where it relates to a referee incorrectly allowing or failing to allow a score.

Another poster mentioned it's a different story if it was the last kick of the game which is true. Another 45-50 minutes were played after the incident of which Tinryland had an extra man for nearly 20 minutes which seems more advantageous in the new rules compared to the past. They also had enough possession to win that game.

It's unfortunate the way things have planned out but who knows what way the game would have went if that score was allowed, maybe Tinryland would have won by 10 points, who knows. I'm sure if you knitpicked every decision in the game you would find frees awarded, not awarded and same with yellow, black cards etc. that could have impacted the game. The reality is it should have been awarded but as in every walk in life, human error is a factor is every game played.

ACarlowGael (Carlow) - Posts: 13 - 23/09/2025 15:43:20    2637205

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Replying To Bon:  "Just saw the video of the score that wasn't given, how in the name of God did the umpires not see it, the mind boggles"
Watch the club championship from all over Ireland this weekend and you'll see the reason why some umpires don't see whether it a point or a wide, it's because they don't stand at their posts. They buck leap all over the place trying to look important and forget about standing at their posts.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2425 - 23/09/2025 16:22:39    2637207

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Can't see this been overturned as it will have to much consequences for the wider gaa network in ireland. If it's overturned every club in every county who has this unfortunate event happen will be able to get there results overturned.

Unfortunately every year in Ireland we hear of this happening happened in mayo also this year I believe with a two pointer awarded club had great evidence it shouldn't have been and still didnt get overturned.

I'm sure Carlow county board has been in contact with croke park who will be telling them under no circumstances overturn this result.

Unfortunately refereeing errors are part and parcel of the game and every club at some stage of the year will benefit from them or has decisions against them.

Best thing for tinryland is to regroup and get ready for relegation final harder said than done but they had 3 games in the group to get results to stay out of this also.

ITSCHOLAR (Carlow) - Posts: 316 - 23/09/2025 17:04:41    2637214

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Tinryland need to concentrate on their relegation match. This distraction will deffo hinder their preparation. Eire og are hot favourite to dispatch them anyway. You can be sure they are focused on Tinryland now 100%.
On a side note were Eire og ever relegated ?, and when was last time Tinryland were ?. One of their proud standing in senior championship is going to go. I would say all their club rivals will be hugely interested in this game and it will probably have the biggest crowd for a relegation match in years.

Carlowgeal (Carlow) - Posts: 6 - 23/09/2025 22:01:29    2637239

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "County board are saying the results stand. Tinryland are exploring other options. I'm hearing legal ones"
Agree here as I said in my earlier post I feel bad for Tinryland but I think they should just take their medicine now thats the decision is made. Just roll with it and focus on eire og all the moaning and complaining wont look well as an excuse when they are down at inter level I am sure though Tinryland wont take it on the chin however as they arent good at doing that.

If the rumors of them taking legal action are true then I expect this to go on for a very long time.

Carlow GAA have best to just relegate them or let them play the rel final now. 7 other teams at play here. As I said I think there potentially should have been a replay but carlow gaa have said no - so get on with it now. give them an extra week to prepare and play the game simple.

FearCeatharlach (Carlow) - Posts: 38 - 23/09/2025 23:58:07    2637250

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Replying To TheBarrowLad:  "Fenagh had to play Pal on Friday night whilst Tinryland could see the outcome of that game and know exactly what they needed to do to progress to a Qtr final. They also had the luxury to see who they would be playing in a relagation final as Eire Og and MLR played on the Saturday night. Tinryland did not say this was unfair on Fenagh? Both games in tinrylands group should have been played at the same time as there was so much on the line for all clubs involved.

Tinryland went into the game on Sunday knowing a win puts them through at Fenaghs expense and a draw/lose against Btown would result in playing Eire Og in a relegation final.

They knew what they needed to do against Btown and the simple answer is, they didn't get over the line. The Point should have been given but it wasn't, many a point has/hasnt been giving up the lenght and breath of the country since the dawn of the GAA, unfortunately there is a thing called human error and I'm sure that both the umpiries and referee involved are not happy they missed this.

Truth of the matter is, Tinryland had every advantage going into the game on Sunday and they didnt get the job done. Time to get on with it now and show everyone in Carlow what they can do on their day and try and take the scalp of Eire Og."
This is actually an excellent point, one I had never thought of didnt see Fenagh moaning about this

FearCeatharlach (Carlow) - Posts: 38 - 24/09/2025 00:01:59    2637251

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If Tinryland are exploring legal options I think it'll be a waste of time and money. They haven't even been relegated yet. If Louth didn't get a replay in 2010 I can't see this result being changed now. They'd be better off taking this emotion and putting it into a performance in a relegation final and taking a huge scalp out of senior football. Does anyone know what happens to Eire Ogs inter team if their senior is relegated? I've heard a few different things and just wondering does anyone have anything concrete?

CRTW (Carlow) - Posts: 31 - 24/09/2025 08:24:43    2637255

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