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Replying To panamasam: "Not bias. I was close to it from my vantage point in the terrace behind the goal. Roarty and I think Ban had him locked in and he tried to run through Roarty and if anything it should've been a run out for charging. The ref indicated it was a hold but was 50/50 and half a dozen in that regard. There was another close to the goals where Roarty got penalised for what looked an excellent tackle. Saying that I think the ref done pretty well in those conditions without seeing the game back. Donegal had too many poor wides and really poor turnovers with a keeper who wasn't up to it on the day which Tyrone capitalised on deserving the win." You're right. Whatever about that decision, our wide count was high. And some of them were very scoreable, even with the poor conditions I thought.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9779 - 25/05/2025 16:59:47
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Replying To veterngaa: "Winning Ulster championships is irrelevant now. Just a token competition… big boy stuff now" The Big stuff starts in a couple of weeks when youse are finished in that Tailteann Cup group.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 791 - 25/05/2025 17:00:21
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Replying To panamasam: "Not bias. I was close to it from my vantage point in the terrace behind the goal. Roarty and I think Ban had him locked in and he tried to run through Roarty and if anything it should've been a run out for charging. The ref indicated it was a hold but was 50/50 and half a dozen in that regard. There was another close to the goals where Roarty got penalised for what looked an excellent tackle. Saying that I think the ref done pretty well in those conditions without seeing the game back. Donegal had too many poor wides and really poor turnovers with a keeper who wasn't up to it on the day which Tyrone capitalised on deserving the win." Lapping arms around waist is a free, end off.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2305 - 25/05/2025 17:03:58
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Replying To shaggykev: "Ref wasn't great and thought we should have had a free for one of the late turnovers when a Donegal player ended up on floor.
But we beat ourselves and Tyrone are within 1-2 points with rest of teams in country and capable of winning it all with the right wind.
Not sour grapes as we did it against Armagh albeit we didn't do it as well in extra time but these keep ball running down the clock could do with a tweak or two by Jim Gavin and FRC.
It's very very hard to turnover in that scenario at the end of a game and not great viewing imo from a neutral. A team leading in final five minutes should not be able to pass ball back into their own half to play keep ball. If they couldn't go past half way, it would make them more inclined to attack and give other side better chance of pressing and give them opportunities for turnovers.
Much much harder to press than in soccer in these scenarios and i guarantee it will be a hallmark of the summer." Take your beating and jog on.The ref had a great game and most people agree except bad losers.
brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 125 - 25/05/2025 17:27:04
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Replying To jacktheboy: "Keeper was not at fault for first goal, but it had effect on his game." Centre backs fault.
brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 125 - 25/05/2025 17:28:40
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Replying To panamasam: "Not bias. I was close to it from my vantage point in the terrace behind the goal. Roarty and I think Ban had him locked in and he tried to run through Roarty and if anything it should've been a run out for charging. The ref indicated it was a hold but was 50/50 and half a dozen in that regard. There was another close to the goals where Roarty got penalised for what looked an excellent tackle. Saying that I think the ref done pretty well in those conditions without seeing the game back. Donegal had too many poor wides and really poor turnovers with a keeper who wasn't up to it on the day which Tyrone capitalised on deserving the win." yeah without a doubt I don't think the ref negatively impacted the game, that just stuck in the craw at such a big moment, but as another poster alluded to the two collisions that Hughie was involved in, they were right in front of me, not a hope in hell was either of them a free to Donegal, should have stopped the game alright but restart it with a hop ball as I don't think anyone had secured possession on either occasions (stand to be corrected).
I think the one that McNamee ended up going off for was a particularly bad collision where he came off worse, both players with eyes on the ball and he just took a bad whack to the head, but I think the ref gave us the free. had that been in the last minute and ended up being the winning of the game for Donegal, Tyrone fans would rightly be aggrieved. Swings and roundabouts in the game
terrible conditions and could have been a real scrappy one with heaps of frees given, but the ref did as well as you could hope really
CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 186 - 25/05/2025 17:35:05
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Tyrone deserved the win in the end last night, as I felt a few of our players weren't clicking fully in that game. Some were nullified by Tyrone tactics, but a lot of it was running into traffic or sloppy passing or lack of awareness of Tyrone players nearby. Jim alluded to it after the game, that we did a lot things that are just not Donegal.
I was a bit frustrated that Jamie Brennan or Aaron Doherty weren't brought in for Oisin Gallen, who seems to be struggling this year, I don't think the new rules suit his game. Jamie has always played well against Tyrone and has been great during the National League this year, I think he deserves a run. Also feel Conor O'Donnell isn't suited to being one of the 3 left up, he is a powerful runner from deep and he never plays well when left as corner forward.
Michael Murphy was outstanding, they guy was on a level of his own. Michael Langan was next best player to Murphy, he was brilliant at times and caused panic in Tyrone's backline when he made a dart into goal. McBrearty made a difference when he came on too.
Not good enough, we should have beaten that Tyrone side last night, but they deserved it.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1352 - 25/05/2025 18:48:20
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Replying To CCFabu: "yeah without a doubt I don't think the ref negatively impacted the game, that just stuck in the craw at such a big moment, but as another poster alluded to the two collisions that Hughie was involved in, they were right in front of me, not a hope in hell was either of them a free to Donegal, should have stopped the game alright but restart it with a hop ball as I don't think anyone had secured possession on either occasions (stand to be corrected).
I think the one that McNamee ended up going off for was a particularly bad collision where he came off worse, both players with eyes on the ball and he just took a bad whack to the head, but I think the ref gave us the free. had that been in the last minute and ended up being the winning of the game for Donegal, Tyrone fans would rightly be aggrieved. Swings and roundabouts in the game
terrible conditions and could have been a real scrappy one with heaps of frees given, but the ref did as well as you could hope really" Yeah that's it. I haven't watched back the game but like I said at half time with the two goals I felt we got away with one only 3 points down. I've no doubt if Patton played we'd have gotten over the line and not forgetting Mogan who we missed with his overlapping. It's up to the rest to show up and not overly rely on the two Michaels from now on. Daire is showing worrying signs of mirroring his form from last season. Starting well before petering out. If Gallen isn't fully fit he'd be better used as an impact for now. Massive game next week and you never know what night happen in the other game. You'd expect Tyrone to win handy but Mayo have a habit of playing to the opposition and could surprise.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2863 - 25/05/2025 19:02:53
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Gonna keep it short and sweet. I'm glad we got the win,but patton was the difference
TalkToFahy (Tyrone) - Posts: 40 - 25/05/2025 19:35:47
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Replying To TalkToFahy: "Gonna keep it short and sweet. I'm glad we got the win,but patton was the difference" That's the worrying thing. If we are so reliant on a keeper to beat a Tyrone side who let's be honest, we are better than 15 by 15, then we have big issues. Our bench is not good enough. Hugh, Aaron Doherty and eoin mchugh coming off the bench won't be winning any all Ireland's any time soon.
eddieSize5Balls (Donegal) - Posts: 143 - 25/05/2025 20:01:58
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Replying To brayballer: "Take your beating and jog on.The ref had a great game and most people agree except bad losers." dry up.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3211 - 25/05/2025 20:04:02
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With Patton we are All-Ireland contenders, without him we are fairly average Qtr finalists at best.
Murphy can have huge impact coming off the bench when game is in the melting pot. Asking a 36yr old to play 70mins and expect him to come for kickouts in last 10mins is a big ask.
The way Moore was used last night, only Jim knows why he was matched up on Darren McCurry early on when we clearly had better man markers to do that job and release Moore to get up the pitch.
Possibly a blessing in disguise to lose this one? I don't know. Tyrone deserved it I thought.
There's possibly 7 teams who can win an All-Ireland, I still have Donegal up there... if Patton returns!
PeterQ92 (Donegal) - Posts: 156 - 25/05/2025 20:06:07
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Replying To panamasam: "Yeah that's it. I haven't watched back the game but like I said at half time with the two goals I felt we got away with one only 3 points down. I've no doubt if Patton played we'd have gotten over the line and not forgetting Mogan who we missed with his overlapping. It's up to the rest to show up and not overly rely on the two Michaels from now on. Daire is showing worrying signs of mirroring his form from last season. Starting well before petering out. If Gallen isn't fully fit he'd be better used as an impact for now. Massive game next week and you never know what night happen in the other game. You'd expect Tyrone to win handy but Mayo have a habit of playing to the opposition and could surprise." I don't think Gallen is injured, he had a great first half in the Ulster final, he made very little impact last night imo, a good few times I seen him get played in where he should have taken on his man he just passed the ball back out,
Daire O'Baoill got taken off probably because he lost possession a few times but at least he was trying to break through, Gallen was taking the easy option it seemed to me, maybe I'm being a bit harsh on him, a lot of our lads did not play well last night.
Listen have to regroup and focus 100% on Cavan now, McGuinness was at a loss to explain last nights underperformance too I see, just a bad day at the office, we move on, get behind the team and I hope we bring big support to Breffni.
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Ref nothing to do with the loss. It's squarely at the feet of Jim this time.
What's the point of building this elite squad of medalists, to freeze them out in favour of players who have not at any stage of their career performed to level required to win All-Ireland medals.
Once again, Jim's team was beaten by a team who pass laterally and run directly. We will continue to leave games like these behind unless we start playing defenders. McCole has been immense, but he's only one man and we haven't played any other full back all championship.
SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 455 - 25/05/2025 21:18:05
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "I don't think Gallen is injured, he had a great first half in the Ulster final, he made very little impact last night imo, a good few times I seen him get played in where he should have taken on his man he just passed the ball back out,
Daire O'Baoill got taken off probably because he lost possession a few times but at least he was trying to break through, Gallen was taking the easy option it seemed to me, maybe I'm being a bit harsh on him, a lot of our lads did not play well last night.
Listen have to regroup and focus 100% on Cavan now, McGuinness was at a loss to explain last nights underperformance too I see, just a bad day at the office, we move on, get behind the team and I hope we bring big support to Breffni." Daire wasn't good last night. A couple of poor efforts on goal but crucially carrying the ball into the tackle and getting turned over. I knew he'd be hooked sooner rather than later. You're right about Gallen, he's an all star for a reason. I have also noticed the stretching as commented elsewhere.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2863 - 25/05/2025 21:45:01
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Replying To SurelyToGod: "Ref nothing to do with the loss. It's squarely at the feet of Jim this time.
What's the point of building this elite squad of medalists, to freeze them out in favour of players who have not at any stage of their career performed to level required to win All-Ireland medals.
Once again, Jim's team was beaten by a team who pass laterally and run directly. We will continue to leave games like these behind unless we start playing defenders. McCole has been immense, but he's only one man and we haven't played any other full back all championship." In fairness I think the defence was overall ok. If you are going to mention brendan mccole as been a standout i think you would also need to mention finbarr roarty. He's been excellent too. Some of the timing of his dispossession tackles are just so good. He played with loads on energy too.
The first goal was a basic mistake and the second from the cardinal sin of a kick for a point being short into Morgans hands. Donegal also kicked too many wides and sloppy turnovers up the field. The turnover when two points ahead being crucial. We never touched the ball from then.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 835 - 25/05/2025 22:28:52
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