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Replying To The_analyser: "All comes down to what form the lads are in training you need two solid performers to start and and two to bring on that are like for like replacements. That four for me would be Tadgh O'Rourke, Ultan Harney, Keith Doyle and Eddie Nolan.
Didn't have Ultan avaliable, Tadgh injured after the league, Eddie Nolan missed all of the league and was rusty and Keith Doyle due to injury only got 20 minutes of action in the last three games.
Was 42 kick outs on Saturday both Cork and ourselves won 21 each but of course a lot of kick outs nowadays are kicked out to unmarked defenders or half forwards dropping back. Conceding scores on turnovers many of them so preventable has been our main struggle to deal with and correct." I would like to see midfield partnership Doyle and Nolan next year, both good footballers and able to compete for kickouts
roscommon1944 (Roscommon) - Posts: 275 - 28/06/2023 20:16:38
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Replying To endgame: "Midfield remains pivotal on a gaelic football team. Roscommon have struggled at midfield for some time . As another poster pointed out, we rarely win throw ins at the start of the first and second half. If everybody was fit and available, who do you think should be playing at midfield for Roscommon." A fully fit Eddie Nolan and Keith Doyle would be my pick, two big strong men. Eddie was brilliant last year but seemed to struggle a bit after his injury this year.
TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 164 - 29/06/2023 09:00:40
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Replying To endgame: "Midfield remains pivotal on a gaelic football team. Roscommon have struggled at midfield for some time . As another poster pointed out, we rarely win throw ins at the start of the first and second half. If everybody was fit and available, who do you think should be playing at midfield for Roscommon." Actually forgot about Ultan and Tadhg, I'd have Ultan straight back in anyway if he's fully fit, he has struggled a lot with injuries so that's no guarantee. Hard know too how Tadhg will bounce back after the injury, the Achilles is one nasty nasty injury.
TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 164 - 29/06/2023 09:02:11
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The mid field that you would pick for a particular games is not as simple as just picking our the two best mid-fielders for every match. It depends on a number of factors.
* What are the strengths and weaknesses of each of your possible mid-fielders that are available.
* Are all of your mid fielders fully game fit.
* What is your game plan. (Go long - short, does it require exceptional level of fitness)
* Who are the likely opposition mid fielders. (High fielders, enforcers, runners).
* Do the opposition/yourselves have tall half forwards who help out their mid field in fielding.
* What is the opposition game plan. Do they drop people back and not really press the kick out or have a tendency to fully press the kickout.
* Has your/their goal keeper the ability to kick long to limit the effectiveness of the high press.
* Have any of your mid fielders the ability to play in another position (half forward/full forward) and give flexibility to the team mid game.
* If your game game is to retain and circulate the ball, kicking, handling, running, good visual skills, speed and stamina may be more important over the course of a full game than just catching skills.
* Is the game being played in muddy pitches in February or in Croke Park in June?
It is certainly not as simple just to say "he is a big strong lad and deserves his chance".
In an open for forum, some posters in other counties take their players apart and concentrate on picking all the negatives about their players. (Galway forum is an obvious example) I think that is very unfair from so called supporters to criticise players who have given their all to the cause which might have implications for finance, not available for holidays, family gatherings, overtime travelling, study, career advancement etc etc. They is one way of de-motivating players and could have possibly impact on their mental health. It would certainly not help them extend their careers if they were contimplating retirement, as no doubt a couple of Roscommon players may be doing at the moment. I obviously acknowledged that it is an honour to play and represent your county and has some major advantages for players as well. (Lads give it one more year at least! D'ont make a decision yet)
I think that is is great that if all our injured and travelling mid-fielders return, that we will have some additional good options next year. I am not going to pick the best two, as I have attempted to explain above. I just want to wish, Tadgh O Rourke, Ultan Harney, Keith Doyle, Eddie Nolan, Shane Cunnane, Enda Smith, Ciaran Lennon, Dylan Ruane and others possible mid fielders unearthed in the club championship, the best of luck in 2024. I am happy to let Davy Burke and the selectors decide their options before and during games as they know their game plan, can see the oposition game plan and most importantly; know much more about their own players than I will ever know.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 723 - 29/06/2023 11:23:25
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "The mid field that you would pick for a particular games is not as simple as just picking our the two best mid-fielders for every match. It depends on a number of factors.
* What are the strengths and weaknesses of each of your possible mid-fielders that are available.
* Are all of your mid fielders fully game fit.
* What is your game plan. (Go long - short, does it require exceptional level of fitness)
* Who are the likely opposition mid fielders. (High fielders, enforcers, runners).
* Do the opposition/yourselves have tall half forwards who help out their mid field in fielding.
* What is the opposition game plan. Do they drop people back and not really press the kick out or have a tendency to fully press the kickout.
* Has your/their goal keeper the ability to kick long to limit the effectiveness of the high press.
* Have any of your mid fielders the ability to play in another position (half forward/full forward) and give flexibility to the team mid game.
* If your game game is to retain and circulate the ball, kicking, handling, running, good visual skills, speed and stamina may be more important over the course of a full game than just catching skills.
* Is the game being played in muddy pitches in February or in Croke Park in June?
It is certainly not as simple just to say "he is a big strong lad and deserves his chance".
In an open for forum, some posters in other counties take their players apart and concentrate on picking all the negatives about their players. (Galway forum is an obvious example) I think that is very unfair from so called supporters to criticise players who have given their all to the cause which might have implications for finance, not available for holidays, family gatherings, overtime travelling, study, career advancement etc etc. They is one way of de-motivating players and could have possibly impact on their mental health. It would certainly not help them extend their careers if they were contimplating retirement, as no doubt a couple of Roscommon players may be doing at the moment. I obviously acknowledged that it is an honour to play and represent your county and has some major advantages for players as well. (Lads give it one more year at least! D'ont make a decision yet)
I think that is is great that if all our injured and travelling mid-fielders return, that we will have some additional good options next year. I am not going to pick the best two, as I have attempted to explain above. I just want to wish, Tadgh O Rourke, Ultan Harney, Keith Doyle, Eddie Nolan, Shane Cunnane, Enda Smith, Ciaran Lennon, Dylan Ruane and others possible mid fielders unearthed in the club championship, the best of luck in 2024. I am happy to let Davy Burke and the selectors decide their options before and during games as they know their game plan, can see the oposition game plan and most importantly; know much more about their own players than I will ever know." To be fair we did well at midfield in most games. Winning the breaking ball is as important as clean fetching when it comes to long kick outs and we did that brilliantly against Mayo in the first game.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 29/06/2023 11:43:06
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "The mid field that you would pick for a particular games is not as simple as just picking our the two best mid-fielders for every match. It depends on a number of factors.
* What are the strengths and weaknesses of each of your possible mid-fielders that are available.
* Are all of your mid fielders fully game fit.
* What is your game plan. (Go long - short, does it require exceptional level of fitness)
* Who are the likely opposition mid fielders. (High fielders, enforcers, runners).
* Do the opposition/yourselves have tall half forwards who help out their mid field in fielding.
* What is the opposition game plan. Do they drop people back and not really press the kick out or have a tendency to fully press the kickout.
* Has your/their goal keeper the ability to kick long to limit the effectiveness of the high press.
* Have any of your mid fielders the ability to play in another position (half forward/full forward) and give flexibility to the team mid game.
* If your game game is to retain and circulate the ball, kicking, handling, running, good visual skills, speed and stamina may be more important over the course of a full game than just catching skills.
* Is the game being played in muddy pitches in February or in Croke Park in June?
It is certainly not as simple just to say "he is a big strong lad and deserves his chance".
In an open for forum, some posters in other counties take their players apart and concentrate on picking all the negatives about their players. (Galway forum is an obvious example) I think that is very unfair from so called supporters to criticise players who have given their all to the cause which might have implications for finance, not available for holidays, family gatherings, overtime travelling, study, career advancement etc etc. They is one way of de-motivating players and could have possibly impact on their mental health. It would certainly not help them extend their careers if they were contimplating retirement, as no doubt a couple of Roscommon players may be doing at the moment. I obviously acknowledged that it is an honour to play and represent your county and has some major advantages for players as well. (Lads give it one more year at least! D'ont make a decision yet)
I think that is is great that if all our injured and travelling mid-fielders return, that we will have some additional good options next year. I am not going to pick the best two, as I have attempted to explain above. I just want to wish, Tadgh O Rourke, Ultan Harney, Keith Doyle, Eddie Nolan, Shane Cunnane, Enda Smith, Ciaran Lennon, Dylan Ruane and others possible mid fielders unearthed in the club championship, the best of luck in 2024. I am happy to let Davy Burke and the selectors decide their options before and during games as they know their game plan, can see the oposition game plan and most importantly; know much more about their own players than I will ever know." There's a lot of talk here about injured players returning but I know know two recent players who the county board are refusing to cover surgeries for because they were not involved in panel this year. Reason being they got injured with the county…. Made my blood boil. You have to look after those that give up everything to wear the blue and yellow.
I'd see this year as being disappointing in the end but overall there was progress made. Beating Mayo in Castlebar was a serious achievement and drawing the dubs showed a maturity in the group. Enda smith was outstanding all year and deserves massive credit for keeping Ros in the last two games . We need more pace and attacking spirit going forward next year. Keeping the ball is a required skill but only to break momentum for the other team , reducing pressure of a black card or seeing out a game in the last three mins
Ros2013 (Roscommon) - Posts: 529 - 29/06/2023 12:00:45
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "To be fair we did well at midfield in most games. Winning the breaking ball is as important as clean fetching when it comes to long kick outs and we did that brilliantly against Mayo in the first game." You are 100% correct. Winning breaking ball is critically important also. One of the reasons why Tadgh O' Rourke is sometimes under-rated is that he ensures that if he does not catch the ball, his opposition number won't catch it either. All part of the game.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 723 - 29/06/2023 12:14:22
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Replying To TobeaRossie: "A fully fit Eddie Nolan and Keith Doyle would be my pick, two big strong men. Eddie was brilliant last year but seemed to struggle a bit after his injury this year." Nolans biggest problem is he's not the most mobile player. Thought he struggled big time against Kildare and cork. Doyle and harney would be my choice in midfield if harney is to come back next year. Is harney 30?
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1235 - 29/06/2023 15:04:07
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Replying To dave1988: "Nolans biggest problem is he's not the most mobile player. Thought he struggled big time against Kildare and cork. Doyle and harney would be my choice in midfield if harney is to come back next year. Is harney 30?" Was U21 in 2016 makes him 29 next year.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2275 - 29/06/2023 15:17:36
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Was U21 in 2016 makes him 29 next year." I believe he is still 27 so will be 28 for next years season if he is to return.
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Replying To Ros2013: "There's a lot of talk here about injured players returning but I know know two recent players who the county board are refusing to cover surgeries for because they were not involved in panel this year. Reason being they got injured with the county…. Made my blood boil. You have to look after those that give up everything to wear the blue and yellow.
I'd see this year as being disappointing in the end but overall there was progress made. Beating Mayo in Castlebar was a serious achievement and drawing the dubs showed a maturity in the group. Enda smith was outstanding all year and deserves massive credit for keeping Ros in the last two games . We need more pace and attacking spirit going forward next year. Keeping the ball is a required skill but only to break momentum for the other team , reducing pressure of a black card or seeing out a game in the last three mins" If that's true, it's disgraceful behaviour from the county board. Why would any lad give up their time for free if they know they could be treated like that?
Tiern1 (Limerick) - Posts: 21 - 29/06/2023 16:55:36
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Replying To dave1988: "Nolans biggest problem is he's not the most mobile player. Thought he struggled big time against Kildare and cork. Doyle and harney would be my choice in midfield if harney is to come back next year. Is harney 30?" Yes Harney was U21 for a few years. He scored a brilliant goal against Cork in the semi final in 2014. He also featured against Mayo in 2016 so I'd say he's coming 29. Agree that Nolan was poor v Kildare and Cork. Maybe that was down to him only returning from injury but I doubt he's the answer for Roscommon at midfield. I also agree we've improved at picking up breaking ball. That used to be a bugbear of Canon Devine writing in the Herald how poor Ros were on the breaking ball at midfield.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2382 - 29/06/2023 17:34:20
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Replying To GaelicStan: "I believe he is still 27 so will be 28 for next years season if he is to return." Yes he's 27 and will turn 28 in the middle of November.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4025 - 30/06/2023 00:04:42
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Replying To The_analyser: "Yes he's 27 and will turn 28 in the middle of November." Jesus he's around a long time and only 27.
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1235 - 30/06/2023 10:45:08
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Replying To Ros2013: "There's a lot of talk here about injured players returning but I know know two recent players who the county board are refusing to cover surgeries for because they were not involved in panel this year. Reason being they got injured with the county…. Made my blood boil. You have to look after those that give up everything to wear the blue and yellow.
I'd see this year as being disappointing in the end but overall there was progress made. Beating Mayo in Castlebar was a serious achievement and drawing the dubs showed a maturity in the group. Enda smith was outstanding all year and deserves massive credit for keeping Ros in the last two games . We need more pace and attacking spirit going forward next year. Keeping the ball is a required skill but only to break momentum for the other team , reducing pressure of a black card or seeing out a game in the last three mins" The 2 lads are registered and insured with their clubs so there should not be any issues. The insurance companies will never cover the full claim so the clubs will have to fork out for physio and consultant fees etc etc. An overnight stay in Santry could be 1500 euro and that wouldn't even include a breakfast as they would be fasting for surgery . I don't know what the Co Board does in these situations. By what you are saying it seems like they don't want to know.
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Replying To dave1988: "Jesus he's around a long time and only 27." Sady was injured for so much of it.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2275 - 30/06/2023 11:44:52
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Replying To dave1988: "Jesus he's around a long time and only 27." Made his championship debut in 2015 against London aged 19. Enda Smith around longer made his championship debut in 2013 aged 18.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4025 - 30/06/2023 17:35:13
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Another good Davy interview
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4QrCaZpdfHq4oWX9raVDj0?si=XbAJELB1RSW9mriqGr76ZQ
SouthsideRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 89 - 01/07/2023 04:38:33
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Between minor, being under 21 for several years and senior, Enda Smith has given outstanding service to the Rossies. Having played outstandingly well in the National League and also been man of the match in three championship encounters, I just hope that he gets his due reward and recognition with a well deserved All Star. He deserves it this year as he could have done no more to lead and inspire his team. Undoubtedly one of the greatest Rossies of all time!
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 723 - 01/07/2023 10:15:37
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Replying To The_analyser: "Made his championship debut in 2015 against London aged 19. Enda Smith around longer made his championship debut in 2013 aged 18." The age profile is fine. Some older players, some younger players breaking through just like other counties.
Davy Burke was all over the media this week. Like us all, he's very disappointed. I'm particularly disappointed for Enda Smith. I've watched a lot of matches this season and to date, Enda has been the best player in the championship bar nobody. He has been simply outstanding. Man or the match or very close to it in every game. It's such a pity that with the way the system works, he may not even get an All star nomination let alone an All star award because he plays on a team that wasn't good enough to get past the last 12.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2382 - 01/07/2023 10:57:54
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