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Because for most of those years you couldn't actually exit this early as you hadn't entered yet? Noone forced you to enter Leinster, you did it so your young lads might get more meaningful games to help their development into Senior hurlers down the line. Which is what minor is all about, half these lads are still only 16. As regards talented bunch you had a very decent half forward line, but your backs and midfielders weren't superstars. You lost twice to a very good Kilkenny team, no shame in that, and beat ourselves and Dublin quite comfortably, although we were missing a good few starters both times with a school trip, and then with injury. Coming out of Leinster after already losing twice why do you still think you had a god given right to beat Clare, who also lost twice in Munster? Cork are a bit of a surprise package this year, but anyone involved with underage hurling around the country had Tipp, Kilkenny and Waterford tagged as favourites before a ball was pucked in the minor Championship this year. And that wasn't just based on challenge games this year, that was based on how the different groups of lads have done nationally since u14. I don't think anyone apart from yourself had massive expectations of your young lads. Maybe get off their backs, and their managements backs, and thank them all for the time they've put into Galway hurling since last year. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16113 - 03/06/2025 10:42:55 2614494 Link 1 |
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2007 wasn't the prelude to any disaster either of course, and we fielded quality championship winning sides in 2009 and 2011, and indeed only lost the 2008 final to a late keeper gaffe. I'm not saying 2025 is the prelude to a golden generation, but it just so happens that 2007 was.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4194 - 03/06/2025 12:03:37 2614527 Link 0 |
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Viking has covered the bases in detail, which I thank him for, but on what basis have you anointed this year's minors as 'such a talented bunch'? They were decent but no better than that, there were no obvious generational talents, though for all that I am sure a handful of them will go on to do great things in maroon. You've already had it explained to you that we frequently used to join at QF stage or later. So why are you anointing this years' crew as 'such a talented bunch' when virtually nobody else was? Kilkenny were always going to take a lot of stopping this year. What would you have done differently, presumably you'd have done something different if you're going to be critical based on a poxy irrelevant statistic. The Tipp minors, defending AI champions, finished bottom in Munster this year despite having arguably the best player in the competition in Euan Murray. He's going to have a big future despite this. So will a few from our team this year. Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 938 - 03/06/2025 12:05:59 2614528 Link 0 |
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If you only knew.... Lol. I didn't need a BigBás.
Armchairreporter (Galway) - Posts: 113 - 03/06/2025 12:14:56 2614532 Link 0 |
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And the point would be what, exactly?"]The provincial system is lopsided in both hurling and football. It was not fit for purpose from day one. Historically teams played for their townland or their parish, eventually their province. In recent years Galway and Antrim were asked to represent another province entirely, one with which they have no ties or affinity. Neither is it fair on the Leinster counties to have an Ulster and a Connacht team coming in on their patch and possibly denying them silverware in their province. In the past 2 decades the GAA started to make changes, Cody's dominance in Leinster forcing them to tinker with it. It's an improvement on what was there but by insisting on calling it the Leinster Championship smacked of hypocrisy and of provincial politics, not fairness or parity of esteem. That's the main reason I believe the traditional Munster and Leinster championships should be played as separate competitions. In Leinster about 25% of the 12 counties play top-level hurling and one county has dominated. In Connacht one out of the 5 counties, Galway, (20%) plays top-level hurling. The provincial system hasn't helped any of the brave club hurlers in Ulster, especially in the 6 counties. The GAA praised them and patronised them for years but did very little in practical terms to promote or improve their lot. To say there's zero interest in changing the system in not true, those who benefit most from the system have zero interest in changing it. There are others who'd like to see a change, particularly in Waterford, Galway, Antrim but their voices are not being heard. There used to be two styles of hurling, iománaíocht and camánacht. Camánacht would be closer to shinty, mostly ground hurling. It's a pity the GAA would not re-introduce camánacht - fast ground hurling, skilful stick work, no rucks, no obsession with possession or getting the sliotar into the hand each time. It should get rid of the smaller competitions and make camánacht a non-provincial competition. Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 173 - 03/06/2025 13:19:20 2614552 Link 0 |
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You're buttering it up Mr Pigeon. We should not be exiting then minor championship so early and as mentioned, first time since 2007.
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 539 - 03/06/2025 18:53:22 2614656 Link 0 |
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Why don't you answer the question(s) you've been asked and stop repeating the same line over and over like some kind of parrot? On what basis did you rate this group so highly? What should management have done that they didn't do? Let's have some answers, otherwise you're just crying for no purpose, which again would fit with plenty of your posts, tbf Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 938 - 04/06/2025 12:49:07 2614804 Link 0 |
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And the point would be what, exactly?"]The provincial system is lopsided in both hurling and football. It was not fit for purpose from day one. Historically teams played for their townland or their parish, eventually their province. In recent years Galway and Antrim were asked to represent another province entirely, one with which they have no ties or affinity. Neither is it fair on the Leinster counties to have an Ulster and a Connacht team coming in on their patch and possibly denying them silverware in their province. In the past 2 decades the GAA started to make changes, Cody's dominance in Leinster forcing them to tinker with it. It's an improvement on what was there but by insisting on calling it the Leinster Championship smacked of hypocrisy and of provincial politics, not fairness or parity of esteem. That's the main reason I believe the traditional Munster and Leinster championships should be played as separate competitions. In Leinster about 25% of the 12 counties play top-level hurling and one county has dominated. In Connacht one out of the 5 counties, Galway, (20%) plays top-level hurling. The provincial system hasn't helped any of the brave club hurlers in Ulster, especially in the 6 counties. The GAA praised them and patronised them for years but did very little in practical terms to promote or improve their lot. To say there's zero interest in changing the system in not true, those who benefit most from the system have zero interest in changing it. There are others who'd like to see a change, particularly in Waterford, Galway, Antrim but their voices are not being heard. There used to be two styles of hurling, iománaíocht and camánacht. Camánacht would be closer to shinty, mostly ground hurling. It's a pity the GAA would not re-introduce camánacht - fast ground hurling, skilful stick work, no rucks, no obsession with possession or getting the sliotar into the hand each time. It should get rid of the smaller competitions and make camánacht a non-provincial competition."]In reality the provincials, particularly Munster, generate a level of interest, and associated crowds and money, that non-provincial competitions can't hope to match. This is why the idea of having 4 teams qualifying from both provinces is a terrible idea as it would remove the jeopardy. Having an ideological idea is fine in theory but you have to engage with the reality that it's just not going to happen unless you can replace the level of interest and associated finance generation. And you can't. Or maybe you know of a way that it can happen? But I doubt it. I don't think we're all that bothered about the name of the Leinster Championship, are we? I personally don't care, but maybe it's just me. Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 938 - 04/06/2025 12:58:50 2614810 Link 0 |
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Do you not think it's a poor reflection exiting the minor championship so early (first time since 2007) Mr Pigeon?
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 539 - 04/06/2025 13:22:08 2614823 Link 0 |
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Poor reflection on who? Start at the beginning- 1- should the mothers of children under 17 on the 1st of January have eaten better when pregnant? Or maybe the fathers should've eaten better to have better juice? You know, made better wrishty lads to start with? 2- should the parents have fed the children better? Or took more time out to spend more hours daily hurling with them when those children could walk? 3- should the clubs and schools have coached those lads better as they grew up, or should the parents have done more again with them between training sessions? 4- as the children grew older and could start making choices about what to do with their time after school should they have practiced more? And ate higher protein snacks? 5- should some of the boys that chose Football, soccer, rugby and other sports have been forced to stay hurling? And forced by who? The ir parents? 6- should the county underage set ups have put more time into them? Gave them better coaching? Better advice on athletic development and nutrition? 7- should the minor management have picked different players? Set them up differently tactically? Would that have made any difference if they weren't good enough to start with? 8- should the referees have given them more frees during the games they lost? 9-should God, Allah, Buddha, the Tuatha de Danaan or whoever blessed those young lads with more luck on the day maybe? 10- should Clare and Kilkenny have let your lads win because they were from Galway? 11- should the County Board have spent more money on the lads? Who out of the above is it a poor reflection on? Or perhaps the management and players tried their best, but lost 3 times to better teams and didn't deserve to get to an AISF? And it wasn't anyone's fault other than that. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16113 - 04/06/2025 15:17:16 2614881 Link 0 |
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And the point would be what, exactly?"]The provincial system is lopsided in both hurling and football. It was not fit for purpose from day one. Historically teams played for their townland or their parish, eventually their province. In recent years Galway and Antrim were asked to represent another province entirely, one with which they have no ties or affinity. Neither is it fair on the Leinster counties to have an Ulster and a Connacht team coming in on their patch and possibly denying them silverware in their province. In the past 2 decades the GAA started to make changes, Cody's dominance in Leinster forcing them to tinker with it. It's an improvement on what was there but by insisting on calling it the Leinster Championship smacked of hypocrisy and of provincial politics, not fairness or parity of esteem. That's the main reason I believe the traditional Munster and Leinster championships should be played as separate competitions. In Leinster about 25% of the 12 counties play top-level hurling and one county has dominated. In Connacht one out of the 5 counties, Galway, (20%) plays top-level hurling. The provincial system hasn't helped any of the brave club hurlers in Ulster, especially in the 6 counties. The GAA praised them and patronised them for years but did very little in practical terms to promote or improve their lot. To say there's zero interest in changing the system in not true, those who benefit most from the system have zero interest in changing it. There are others who'd like to see a change, particularly in Waterford, Galway, Antrim but their voices are not being heard. There used to be two styles of hurling, iománaíocht and camánacht. Camánacht would be closer to shinty, mostly ground hurling. It's a pity the GAA would not re-introduce camánacht - fast ground hurling, skilful stick work, no rucks, no obsession with possession or getting the sliotar into the hand each time. It should get rid of the smaller competitions and make camánacht a non-provincial competition."]In reality the provincials, particularly Munster, generate a level of interest, and associated crowds and money, that non-provincial competitions can't hope to match. This is why the idea of having 4 teams qualifying from both provinces is a terrible idea as it would remove the jeopardy. Having an ideological idea is fine in theory but you have to engage with the reality that it's just not going to happen unless you can replace the level of interest and associated finance generation. And you can't. Or maybe you know of a way that it can happen? But I doubt it. I don't think we're all that bothered about the name of the Leinster Championship, are we? I personally don't care, but maybe it's just me."]It's not a case of being ideological, it's about the misuse of language and hypocritical behaviour especially at HQs level; it's the GAA turning its back on the ethos of the association - its amateur status, with the emphasis on community and volunteerism. Those Galway clubs from whom Cusack learned the rules of hurling in 1883 weren't playing hurling to generate finance or for any monetary gain, they played for the love of the game and with pride in their townland, parish and local community. If that now is too naive and ideological for the GAA and its followers, then they should have the decency to admit that it's no longer an amateur sport and follow the Rugby and Soccer route. Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 173 - 04/06/2025 15:55:10 2614894 Link 0 |
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Really looking forward to Sunday and its building nice and quietly. 1shot (Galway) - Posts: 18 - 04/06/2025 17:12:09 2614914 Link 0 |
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Would have to say I agree with some of those points but not all. Go easy on the lads. That is sport sometimes
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 539 - 04/06/2025 22:40:30 2614961 Link 0 |
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It is. Especially with young lads.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16113 - 05/06/2025 05:42:16 2614982 Link 0 |
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And the point would be what, exactly?"]The provincial system is lopsided in both hurling and football. It was not fit for purpose from day one. Historically teams played for their townland or their parish, eventually their province. In recent years Galway and Antrim were asked to represent another province entirely, one with which they have no ties or affinity. Neither is it fair on the Leinster counties to have an Ulster and a Connacht team coming in on their patch and possibly denying them silverware in their province. In the past 2 decades the GAA started to make changes, Cody's dominance in Leinster forcing them to tinker with it. It's an improvement on what was there but by insisting on calling it the Leinster Championship smacked of hypocrisy and of provincial politics, not fairness or parity of esteem. That's the main reason I believe the traditional Munster and Leinster championships should be played as separate competitions. In Leinster about 25% of the 12 counties play top-level hurling and one county has dominated. In Connacht one out of the 5 counties, Galway, (20%) plays top-level hurling. The provincial system hasn't helped any of the brave club hurlers in Ulster, especially in the 6 counties. The GAA praised them and patronised them for years but did very little in practical terms to promote or improve their lot. To say there's zero interest in changing the system in not true, those who benefit most from the system have zero interest in changing it. There are others who'd like to see a change, particularly in Waterford, Galway, Antrim but their voices are not being heard. There used to be two styles of hurling, iománaíocht and camánacht. Camánacht would be closer to shinty, mostly ground hurling. It's a pity the GAA would not re-introduce camánacht - fast ground hurling, skilful stick work, no rucks, no obsession with possession or getting the sliotar into the hand each time. It should get rid of the smaller competitions and make camánacht a non-provincial competition."]In reality the provincials, particularly Munster, generate a level of interest, and associated crowds and money, that non-provincial competitions can't hope to match. This is why the idea of having 4 teams qualifying from both provinces is a terrible idea as it would remove the jeopardy. Having an ideological idea is fine in theory but you have to engage with the reality that it's just not going to happen unless you can replace the level of interest and associated finance generation. And you can't. Or maybe you know of a way that it can happen? But I doubt it. I don't think we're all that bothered about the name of the Leinster Championship, are we? I personally don't care, but maybe it's just me."]It's not a case of being ideological, it's about the misuse of language and hypocritical behaviour especially at HQs level; it's the GAA turning its back on the ethos of the association - its amateur status, with the emphasis on community and volunteerism. Those Galway clubs from whom Cusack learned the rules of hurling in 1883 weren't playing hurling to generate finance or for any monetary gain, they played for the love of the game and with pride in their townland, parish and local community. If that now is too naive and ideological for the GAA and its followers, then they should have the decency to admit that it's no longer an amateur sport and follow the Rugby and Soccer route."]It's all well and good getting misty eyed about the past when teams played for the love of the parish (which 90% of GAA players still do) and the importance of volunteerism (Which still carries the entire association), but you're then on here proposing massive changes to champsionship structure that involve even more games and also a different form of the sport being run, as far as I can make out from your post, simultaneously? where do you think the players and the money is going to come from to do all this if the Gaa doesn't try to generate money to pay for it all? Overdahill (Galway) - Posts: 65 - 05/06/2025 09:33:58 2614996 Link 0 |
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They'll get a lesson in physicality and hurling. Kilkenny by 5 at their ease.
Armchairreporter (Galway) - Posts: 113 - 05/06/2025 09:42:13 2614998 Link 0 |
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Too much yap here about the future with minor and u20 all that matters is the present. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2605 - 05/06/2025 09:45:27 2614999 Link 0 |
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Kilkenny in first gear to win by 10-12 points. Galway usually lie down against the Cats. kerry4sam25 (Kerry) - Posts: 21 - 05/06/2025 10:19:27 2615009 Link 0 |
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I do really admire your confidence but I have to ask myself of you're being serious every time you post. For the sake of the Leinster championship I'd love to see Galway win it, however there's absolutely no credible metric to indicate that will happen. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3692 - 05/06/2025 10:35:34 2615017 Link 0 |
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Leave it to the Kerry hurlers to show the way in Munster!
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 173 - 05/06/2025 11:12:11 2615023 Link 2 |