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Replying To Past hurler:  "Westmeath yes, but Laois only lost to Dublin by 2pts so Laois are definitely not a very poor team.

Laois have good hurlers."
Westmeath were pretty much level with KK before they ran out of gas

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16858 - 27/04/2022 13:23:03    2413602

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Replying To hunting:  "What I find really wrong is our manager has not spoken now for 3 or 4 matches after any of our games, it's ridiculous. He needs to address local media at least. Injury, why we are not pushing up on opposition puck out, why he went with the same half forward line against dublin, why our tactics are so poor, why rory wasnt brought outto at least the half forward line for ten minutes in the second half with the wind or why matt wasn't moved off his man, when all dublin scores came from that side etc etc.. all needed to be addressed in my opinion."
Tbh even if he was talking to the media he wouldn't answer alot of that. I was sitting right behind him for the Galway game and he called Rory out to the half forward line. Read back this thread Hunting and see what most lads on this made of that decision. I don't think Matt was the problem for most of Dublins scores, which came from their half forwards, midfielders and backs. You would swear by the tactics and our half forwards comments that we got outplayed when the reality is we snatched a defeat from the jaws of victory with some chronic finishing from placed balls and open play, including another penalty not converted and frees missed from only 30 yards out. The tactics weren't bad. We made good opportunities that we didn't take. Even at the very end Jippo had acres of space to shoot and didn't. The run we had in 2019 coincided with nearly no wides and nearly no missed frees. Read back the stats from the 2019 LSHF and then read the stats from Saturday gone. You wouldn't need to be a genius to work out where the problems are.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16858 - 27/04/2022 13:35:06    2413614

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Replying To hunting:  "What I find really wrong is our manager has not spoken now for 3 or 4 matches after any of our games, it's ridiculous. He needs to address local media at least. Injury, why we are not pushing up on opposition puck out, why he went with the same half forward line against dublin, why our tactics are so poor, why rory wasnt brought outto at least the half forward line for ten minutes in the second half with the wind or why matt wasn't moved off his man, when all dublin scores came from that side etc etc.. all needed to be addressed in my opinion."
Hes using the GPA protest to avoid media. Its a ploy the Wexford public deserve a few answers to those questions.
This guy was hailed as the next messiah. He was part of the Tipp backroom team that have been terrible for the last few years and got a handy run avoiding Limerick in 2019. An all Ireland is an All Ireland but he's done nothing to warrant all the plaudits . Even Kiladangan have underperformed in tipperary.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 27/04/2022 13:35:20    2413615

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Replying To hunting:  "What I find really wrong is our manager has not spoken now for 3 or 4 matches after any of our games, it's ridiculous. He needs to address local media at least. Injury, why we are not pushing up on opposition puck out, why he went with the same half forward line against dublin, why our tactics are so poor, why rory wasnt brought outto at least the half forward line for ten minutes in the second half with the wind or why matt wasn't moved off his man, when all dublin scores came from that side etc etc.. all needed to be addressed in my opinion."
He'd have certainly faced some very tough questions after opening 2 games

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 27/04/2022 13:39:56    2413616

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Hes using the GPA protest to avoid media. Its a ploy the Wexford public deserve a few answers to those questions.
This guy was hailed as the next messiah. He was part of the Tipp backroom team that have been terrible for the last few years and got a handy run avoiding Limerick in 2019. An all Ireland is an All Ireland but he's done nothing to warrant all the plaudits . Even Kiladangan have underperformed in tipperary."
Brendan Furlong had alot of stuff quoted from Egan in his piece "Wasted Chances" in this weeks Wexford People paper. Viewable online Google "Wexford Hurling News Independent". Jacko was injured. Morris is back training after the knee procedure. Odd you should say Kiladangan are underperforming being as they came from absolutely nowhere to win a senior title?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16858 - 27/04/2022 14:17:54    2413631

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Replying To Viking66:  "Tbh even if he was talking to the media he wouldn't answer alot of that. I was sitting right behind him for the Galway game and he called Rory out to the half forward line. Read back this thread Hunting and see what most lads on this made of that decision. I don't think Matt was the problem for most of Dublins scores, which came from their half forwards, midfielders and backs. You would swear by the tactics and our half forwards comments that we got outplayed when the reality is we snatched a defeat from the jaws of victory with some chronic finishing from placed balls and open play, including another penalty not converted and frees missed from only 30 yards out. The tactics weren't bad. We made good opportunities that we didn't take. Even at the very end Jippo had acres of space to shoot and didn't. The run we had in 2019 coincided with nearly no wides and nearly no missed frees. Read back the stats from the 2019 LSHF and then read the stats from Saturday gone. You wouldn't need to be a genius to work out where the problems are."
Watched it back and Ryan had some storming through on his inside, think it was Flood, what he did was a terrible decision. The lads decision making is hit and miss and it costs them.

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 548 - 27/04/2022 14:24:36    2413638

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Replying To Viking66:  "Tbh even if he was talking to the media he wouldn't answer alot of that. I was sitting right behind him for the Galway game and he called Rory out to the half forward line. Read back this thread Hunting and see what most lads on this made of that decision. I don't think Matt was the problem for most of Dublins scores, which came from their half forwards, midfielders and backs. You would swear by the tactics and our half forwards comments that we got outplayed when the reality is we snatched a defeat from the jaws of victory with some chronic finishing from placed balls and open play, including another penalty not converted and frees missed from only 30 yards out. The tactics weren't bad. We made good opportunities that we didn't take. Even at the very end Jippo had acres of space to shoot and didn't. The run we had in 2019 coincided with nearly no wides and nearly no missed frees. Read back the stats from the 2019 LSHF and then read the stats from Saturday gone. You wouldn't need to be a genius to work out where the problems are."
2 points from play by our forwards. 12 points from play by Dublin's. That's where the game was was won and lost. If we're depending on Damien reck to have to score 3 brilliant points and flood, donohoe to do the bulk of our scoring we're going nowhere

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 27/04/2022 14:29:28    2413642

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Hes using the GPA protest to avoid media. Its a ploy the Wexford public deserve a few answers to those questions.
This guy was hailed as the next messiah. He was part of the Tipp backroom team that have been terrible for the last few years and got a handy run avoiding Limerick in 2019. An all Ireland is an All Ireland but he's done nothing to warrant all the plaudits . Even Kiladangan have underperformed in tipperary."
To be fair to the man, he's been very engaging with supporters at events.

Although the silence is getting old.

We're in a pretty bad place in the championship and I personally feel he needs to take responsibility for that.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3885 - 27/04/2022 14:30:21    2413643

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "2 points from play by our forwards. 12 points from play by Dublin's. That's where the game was was won and lost. If we're depending on Damien reck to have to score 3 brilliant points and flood, donohoe to do the bulk of our scoring we're going nowhere"
If our backs knew what illegal fouling was permitted by intercounry refs like every other county bar Corks do maybe their forwards wouldn't have scored 12 points from play? Maybe refereeing in our club championships needs to be looked at- I know that's something that's been said down in Cork. Although being as we don't have a 90% accurate freetaker like all the other Liam Mccarthy sides do we don't punish sides when our forwards are brought down.
In that last game you think the losing of the game was our forwards? So who should we have replaced them all with for the Dublin game? Our half forwards were expected to mark their backs as they ran forward. So they'd score less.
Are you suggesting we should play 15 on 15 orthodox traditional style? We tried that in 2 games this year. Guess which 2......
Anyway it's easy to criticise. How about constructive criticism? Who do you pick as our 6 forwards and how do they line up? Where should they be for our puckouts? Where should they be for their puckouts? If we push up on their puckouts how do we stop the opposition winning aerial ball 1 on 1 when we are, as we are every year, comfortably the shortest team heightwise of the 9 Liam Mccarthy counties. I'd say if Chin was fit enough to play a whole game we wouldn't be having this conversation as we would probably have 4 points and certainly 3. And that's just from a frees point of view obviously he'd add a ball winning all action centreforward which we are lacking in open play. But he's not. Maybe there are lads not on the panel who you know would improve things and who want to commit so who are these lads? So let's be hearing your positive ideas for us going forward instead of your negative ones looking back.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16858 - 27/04/2022 15:15:18    2413662

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "2 points from play by our forwards. 12 points from play by Dublin's. That's where the game was was won and lost. If we're depending on Damien reck to have to score 3 brilliant points and flood, donohoe to do the bulk of our scoring we're going nowhere"
Yes and no.

Despite this belief that stats wise this was some anomaly of a result Dublin not only outscored us from play by some 7 point they also literally had more shots from play that Wexford did overall for example, they won more puck outs, they won more turnovers and crucially they won on the bloody scoreboard which at the end of the day is the only stat that matters.

We started the same half forward line that had been cleaned out twice in a row, we gave hurlers with the ability to drive a ball 70 yards free reign with no pressure to do so, even then if we do turn the ball over who do we hit it to?

We need to see a serious change in approach to have any chance of getting through and the thing is i believe we can, but take the same approach going forward and it isnt going to happen.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1551 - 27/04/2022 15:15:35    2413663

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Replying To hunting:  "What I find really wrong is our manager has not spoken now for 3 or 4 matches after any of our games, it's ridiculous. He needs to address local media at least. Injury, why we are not pushing up on opposition puck out, why he went with the same half forward line against dublin, why our tactics are so poor, why rory wasnt brought outto at least the half forward line for ten minutes in the second half with the wind or why matt wasn't moved off his man, when all dublin scores came from that side etc etc.. all needed to be addressed in my opinion."
Media ban or not i honestly dont see him answering much or any of those questions anyway, most managers wouldnt.

But the ongoing Chin situation in terms of injury needs to be addressed for example, i mean in the last few pages hes gone from nearly needing amputation to career ending to having so many muscles in his knee it doesnt affect him anyway!!

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1551 - 27/04/2022 15:25:34    2413670

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "To be fair to the man, he's been very engaging with supporters at events.

Although the silence is getting old.

We're in a pretty bad place in the championship and I personally feel he needs to take responsibility for that."
How would you do things differently bearing in mind the players we have, their strengths, their heights, and the fact from last year we are missing 6 championship starters in Chin, Bailey, Murphy , Morris, Joe O Connor and Shane Reck due to injury and travelling? 7 if you include Nolan though he didn't start a championship game last year. Egan isn't Jesus so why are Wexford people expecting him to perform miracles?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16858 - 27/04/2022 15:27:58    2413671

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "To be fair to the man, he's been very engaging with supporters at events.

Although the silence is getting old.

We're in a pretty bad place in the championship and I personally feel he needs to take responsibility for that."
How would you do things differently bearing in mind the players we have, their strengths, their heights, and the fact from last year we are missing 6 championship starters in Chin, Bailey, Murphy , Morris, Joe O Connor and Shane Reck due to injury and travelling? 7 if you include Nolan though he didn't start a championship game last year. Actually 8 for the Dublin game just gone as Jacko was injured also. Egan isn't Jesus so why are Wexford people expecting him to perform miracles?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16858 - 27/04/2022 15:29:18    2413672

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "To be fair to the man, he's been very engaging with supporters at events.

Although the silence is getting old.

We're in a pretty bad place in the championship and I personally feel he needs to take responsibility for that."
If we had the 8 lads who are missing injured or travelling from last year we could've lined out against Dublin as follows-
Fanning
S Reck
Jippo
MOH
P Foley
D Reck
Murphy
Dee
Liam og
Flood
Chin
Morris
Dwyer
Mac
Rory
Bench-
Lawlor
Kevin Foley
Jacko
Dunbar
Bailey
Nolan
Donohue
Devitt
Joe O Connor
O Foley
Mcguckin
That 26 would have 4 points up now. If you leave out the lads who went travelling you could add Hearne and Dunne off last weekends bench to the bench without weakening it too much.
Think you are being hard on Egan.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16858 - 27/04/2022 15:42:15    2413677

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "To be fair to the man, he's been very engaging with supporters at events.

Although the silence is getting old.

We're in a pretty bad place in the championship and I personally feel he needs to take responsibility for that."
I'm not his biggest fan but am I the only one hearing his interviews after every game?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 27/04/2022 15:49:24    2413682

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We are within touching distance but none of our injured players have anything to do with that puck out strategy that's where our problems lie

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 371 - 27/04/2022 16:00:35    2413686

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Replying To Viking66:  "If our backs knew what illegal fouling was permitted by intercounry refs like every other county bar Corks do maybe their forwards wouldn't have scored 12 points from play? Maybe refereeing in our club championships needs to be looked at- I know that's something that's been said down in Cork. Although being as we don't have a 90% accurate freetaker like all the other Liam Mccarthy sides do we don't punish sides when our forwards are brought down.
In that last game you think the losing of the game was our forwards? So who should we have replaced them all with for the Dublin game? Our half forwards were expected to mark their backs as they ran forward. So they'd score less.
Are you suggesting we should play 15 on 15 orthodox traditional style? We tried that in 2 games this year. Guess which 2......
Anyway it's easy to criticise. How about constructive criticism? Who do you pick as our 6 forwards and how do they line up? Where should they be for our puckouts? Where should they be for their puckouts? If we push up on their puckouts how do we stop the opposition winning aerial ball 1 on 1 when we are, as we are every year, comfortably the shortest team heightwise of the 9 Liam Mccarthy counties. I'd say if Chin was fit enough to play a whole game we wouldn't be having this conversation as we would probably have 4 points and certainly 3. And that's just from a frees point of view obviously he'd add a ball winning all action centreforward which we are lacking in open play. But he's not. Maybe there are lads not on the panel who you know would improve things and who want to commit so who are these lads? So let's be hearing your positive ideas for us going forward instead of your negative ones looking back."
So Viking we can't criticise now? For example their forwards had to mark our half backs and we still got 4 points plus donohoe got one. They still managed to rack up the points despite that

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 27/04/2022 16:00:56    2413687

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I'm not his biggest fan but am I the only one hearing his interviews after every game?"
No I'm seeing them too Tiobraid. He's a young guy in his 1st season as an intercounty manager. I'm sure his Mam is wanting to shout at us " my son is not the Messiah"!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16858 - 27/04/2022 16:06:04    2413689

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "So Viking we can't criticise now? For example their forwards had to mark our half backs and we still got 4 points plus donohoe got one. They still managed to rack up the points despite that"
Of course we can criticise. We are fans and this is a fans forum.
So obviously their forwards aren't as good at marking as ours are? I still think our freetaker is the biggest issue Egan can actually do something about. That's constructive criticism. You haven't suggested any ways we can improve. You've just complained. There is a difference between the 2.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16858 - 27/04/2022 16:10:13    2413691

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Replying To Wexfordgaa:  "We are within touching distance but none of our injured players have anything to do with that puck out strategy that's where our problems lie"
We have to design our current puckout strategy around no aerial ballwinning forwards except possibly Mac with Chin injured. We can't target any of the other 6 forwards apart from playing it into the corners for Rory. We are doing both those things already.
Im not sure about conceding the short puckouts myself but the flipside of that is that we have actually defended the resulting long ball up the pitch very well. We have only conceded 1 goal which didn't come from conceding a short puckout anyway. How do you suggest we change it?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16858 - 27/04/2022 16:16:15    2413693

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