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Replying To ExiledInWex: "That difference is over stated in my opinion. At schools level, there is no need for specialisation and they should play hurling, rugby, soccer, gaelic football at that age. My lads did play all 4 although not rugby any more. None are good enough to hurl for Wexford but I don't think specialising on hurling would have made them good enough.
What is wrong in Wexford is that senior A hurling is only for St. Peters and GCC. I don't know if a combined school could work logistically for all the others, but I do think maybe Enniscorthy CBS and Tech could have a "Combined Enniscorthy Schools" team?
Although saying that, there are other schools in Kilkenny which do not play senior A hurling so it is by no means a magic bullet. But anything which increases the level of which chaps are hurling at needs to be on the table. Where there is a will, there is a way." We had a combined schools hurling team but unfortunately it fizzled out.
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Any evening I go to my club there are hundreds of kids and parents there and loads of training sessions going on. Everytime I go to wexford park there are hundreds of kids hurling at halftime - it can only be a matter of time before we catch up.
What i hate hearing though is about the great work done at underage in Laois, Kildare etc - I always question - well why isnt it being done here??
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 17/05/2022 10:22:47
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "TJ Ryan said on Anthony Daly podcast last night that the first yellow was not for the quick sideline but rather a clip Hegarty gave David Mc before the ball went out of play." Whoops wrong thread
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 17/05/2022 10:24:24
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Wexford gaa is full of yes men and spoofers. Nothing will change until a complete overhaul at county board level is achieved. We are so poor in every code at every level its clear that the coaching is way off whats required and that has to fall back on the county board.
Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 275 - 17/05/2022 10:57:38
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Replying To Viking66: "You are missing the point. Football isn't the problem and no-one is saying it is. But we are fmdifferent to most of the counties you mention there in that nearly all our clubs are proper dual clubs. In Galway, Clare, Cork and to an extent Limerick most of their senior team don't play club football to any high level at all. They even have football areas and hurling areas. Limerick have maybe half dozen lads in their match day 26 that play senior/Intermediate club football, and Galway, Cork, Clare etc also. Nearly all our panel play senior or Intermediate club football and train for it accordingly. Yes Tipp have around the same population as us but have twice the number of club hurlers that we have. They have had a good generation of footballers lately much as we had in the noughties but it doesn't change the fact that large chunks of the county are mainly hurling. Of their top intercounty hurlers not many compete for club football titles as our lads do. The Mcgraths and other Loughmore- Castleiney lads, which would be more of a football club traditionally, would do for sure but they would be the exception in Tipp rather than the norm.
At the same time what we have is truer to the ethos of the GAA. I think its great my lads train for hurling 1 night a week and football 1 night a week and alternate between codes for matches every weekend. But anybody who thinks my lads hurling is definitely going to be as good as an equivalent lad in East Clare, East or South Galway, East Cork etc who only trains for hurling 2 nights a week and only plays hurling matches at the weekend has to be some way delusional." Eh no they dont train for football accordingly in most clubs.
Thats a fact, in most of our clubs they train hurling primarily with football coming a distant second.
2021 was the most successful year for over 100 years in terms of clubs winning dual titles around the entire country.
The thing is we look at the posts here and its "shur its football isnt it" you have basically blamed football for the Rapps not doing well, for the schools not doing well.
Other counties dont look at it as a problem and just get on with it, embrace it for what it is, we look for excuses and as sure as day turns to night "shur we play football too" will be mentioned on a Wexford hurling thread
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Replying To Yellow: "Any evening I go to my club there are hundreds of kids and parents there and loads of training sessions going on. Everytime I go to wexford park there are hundreds of kids hurling at halftime - it can only be a matter of time before we catch up.
What i hate hearing though is about the great work done at underage in Laois, Kildare etc - I always question - well why isnt it being done here??" It is for sure. They are only trying to get their playing numbers up to ours.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16803 - 17/05/2022 11:10:47
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "If I were to quibble though, I'd say that the Kilkenny feeder clubs to GC are the Rower, Tullogher, Glenmore, and Barrow Rangers (Could be missing a few admittedly). Some of these are Senior but they are hardly heavyweights and you would think that Kieran's and Kilkenny CBS would have a much stronger pick of clubs. And how many current Kilkenny players played for GC? Walter Walsh for sure and then the likes of Ger Aylward, Kieran Joyce, and Richie Doyle in the past but then I think Alan and Eoin Murphy would have been either New Ross CBs or the Tech down there. I don't personally think the number of top-class Kilkenny hurlers at GC is the same as those in Kieran's or Kilkenny CBS" Agreed. That's why most Kilkenny lads who show great talent try to get into Kierans. It's been by far and away the most successful school at hurling in the country. And that's why GC haven't won loads of Leinster or AI titles either.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16803 - 17/05/2022 11:13:36
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Devil's Advocate: GC play football too yet they seem to have perform at least as well if not better against Kieran's and Kilkenny CBS in hurling than the Peter's do" Think GC have a better overall record than Peters at football too.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16803 - 17/05/2022 11:14:15
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People over reacting massively I think. We were the better team against Westmeath, more scoring chances created and more scores scored. Two very soft goals conceded that 9/10 times would be dealt with. Play that game another 5 times and I think we win them all.
Won Leinster in 2019 had a great chance to win it again last year. This year we beat Cork Clare Galway and Limerick in the league. In championship we have drawn with Galway lost by a point to Dublin hammered Laois and drew with Westmeath which I mentioned above. That's a good year by our standards and we're still not out of championship. A couple of disappointing results but hard to say they couldn't have easily went the other way.
This is wexford we live in lads, one senior AI in over 50 years. I really think that because Wexford are able to serve it up to the top teams and can on their day beat anyone that people over estimate what we should be winning and the level we should be at. We are consistently the 8th/9th best team in Ireland and have been for a long time. That's it.
ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 17/05/2022 11:14:31
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Replying To tearintom: "Eh no they dont train for football accordingly in most clubs.
Thats a fact, in most of our clubs they train hurling primarily with football coming a distant second.
2021 was the most successful year for over 100 years in terms of clubs winning dual titles around the entire country.
The thing is we look at the posts here and its "shur its football isnt it" you have basically blamed football for the Rapps not doing well, for the schools not doing well.
Other counties dont look at it as a problem and just get on with it, embrace it for what it is, we look for excuses and as sure as day turns to night "shur we play football too" will be mentioned on a Wexford hurling thread" If the Rapps lads had gone straight into the Leinster hurling championship after our hurling championship finished their hurling would definitely have been sharper. Teamwork would've been sharper. There's no way playing football for 7 or 8 weeks will have improved either their individual hurling or their teamwork. Hurling is a completely different game to football. Striking, tackling, picking the ball up even is completely different. Football has more in common with rugby than hurling. The only Wexford Champions that have done well in Leinster at hurling were the predominantly hurling clubs in my lifetime. Rathnure reached 8 or 9 finals, Oulart 7, the Alley 5 and the Harriers 1. Rathnure and the Alley are the only clubs to have won more than once. The Alley won our only AI club title ever. No other Wexford club has reached a Leinster final since I was born in 1971. That's hardly a coincidence even you must admit. I'm not anti football. I like the way our club prioritise football and hurling equally. But if you can't see that's ONE of the reasons we aren't as successful as other counties at either sport I don't know what more proof you need.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16803 - 17/05/2022 11:26:15
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Replying To ChinCanHurl: "People over reacting massively I think. We were the better team against Westmeath, more scoring chances created and more scores scored. Two very soft goals conceded that 9/10 times would be dealt with. Play that game another 5 times and I think we win them all.
Won Leinster in 2019 had a great chance to win it again last year. This year we beat Cork Clare Galway and Limerick in the league. In championship we have drawn with Galway lost by a point to Dublin hammered Laois and drew with Westmeath which I mentioned above. That's a good year by our standards and we're still not out of championship. A couple of disappointing results but hard to say they couldn't have easily went the other way.
This is wexford we live in lads, one senior AI in over 50 years. I really think that because Wexford are able to serve it up to the top teams and can on their day beat anyone that people over estimate what we should be winning and the level we should be at. We are consistently the 8th/9th best team in Ireland and have been for a long time. That's it." Spot on Chincanhurl. In the 70 odd years before 1955 we only won 1 hurling AI as well. We had a couple of golden generations in the 50s and 60s who won 4 senior AIs. And won a few minor and 1 u21 AIs. The other 100 odd years we have won 2 AIs. That's what we should be basing our expectations on. Instead of running down our current players and managers and Board members on forums like this because we aren't in AI finals every couple of years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16803 - 17/05/2022 11:33:20
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Replying To Viking66: "If the Rapps lads had gone straight into the Leinster hurling championship after our hurling championship finished their hurling would definitely have been sharper. Teamwork would've been sharper. There's no way playing football for 7 or 8 weeks will have improved either their individual hurling or their teamwork. Hurling is a completely different game to football. Striking, tackling, picking the ball up even is completely different. Football has more in common with rugby than hurling. The only Wexford Champions that have done well in Leinster at hurling were the predominantly hurling clubs in my lifetime. Rathnure reached 8 or 9 finals, Oulart 7, the Alley 5 and the Harriers 1. Rathnure and the Alley are the only clubs to have won more than once. The Alley won our only AI club title ever. No other Wexford club has reached a Leinster final since I was born in 1971. That's hardly a coincidence even you must admit. I'm not anti football. I like the way our club prioritise football and hurling equally. But if you can't see that's ONE of the reasons we aren't as successful as other counties at either sport I don't know what more proof you need." Yet the teams winning senior hurling titles in the county are dual clubs! In fact take out the Oulart golden generation hows hurling only going for Clubs?
Three clubs who focus solely on hurling and 2 of them are in Intermediate, what more proof do you need? Although at least the Alley play some football, in fact they would win out Junior A handily if taken half way seriously
Youre right that the Rapps would have been sharper had they gone straight into a Leinster championship but whos fault is that? County Board who decided on a split championship and on top of that predominantly hurling clubs who voted through that Hurling went first in a split season.
So we develop a system that basically hinders our hurling winners doing well in Leinster, have it pushed through by the majority of hurling clubs yet football is the problem! Like i said, like day follows night!
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Replying To tearintom: "Yet the teams winning senior hurling titles in the county are dual clubs! In fact take out the Oulart golden generation hows hurling only going for Clubs?
Three clubs who focus solely on hurling and 2 of them are in Intermediate, what more proof do you need? Although at least the Alley play some football, in fact they would win out Junior A handily if taken half way seriously
Youre right that the Rapps would have been sharper had they gone straight into a Leinster championship but whos fault is that? County Board who decided on a split championship and on top of that predominantly hurling clubs who voted through that Hurling went first in a split season.
So we develop a system that basically hinders our hurling winners doing well in Leinster, have it pushed through by the majority of hurling clubs yet football is the problem! Like i said, like day follows night!" Martins or Rapps or Gorey etc would each draw from a population of more than Rathnure, the Alley and Oulart combined. So yes they should be more successful at both codes. I agree about the split season I think it should alternate between football 1st and hurling 1st.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16803 - 17/05/2022 12:08:40
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Replying To tearintom: "Yet the teams winning senior hurling titles in the county are dual clubs! In fact take out the Oulart golden generation hows hurling only going for Clubs?
Three clubs who focus solely on hurling and 2 of them are in Intermediate, what more proof do you need? Although at least the Alley play some football, in fact they would win out Junior A handily if taken half way seriously
Youre right that the Rapps would have been sharper had they gone straight into a Leinster championship but whos fault is that? County Board who decided on a split championship and on top of that predominantly hurling clubs who voted through that Hurling went first in a split season.
So we develop a system that basically hinders our hurling winners doing well in Leinster, have it pushed through by the majority of hurling clubs yet football is the problem! Like i said, like day follows night!" That split season needs to be scraped ASAP. Ridiculous idea. Whichever code goes first is going to be hindered in their provincial championship. The system before Covid was fine and I didn't see anyone clamouring for a split season. 2 weeks hurling followed by 2 weeks football worked well. I'm my club we trained both codes on some nights regardless of what code the game at the weekend was. Kept us sharp for both champion's and kept us happy.
Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 17/05/2022 12:15:35
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Replying To tearintom: "Yet the teams winning senior hurling titles in the county are dual clubs! In fact take out the Oulart golden generation hows hurling only going for Clubs?
Three clubs who focus solely on hurling and 2 of them are in Intermediate, what more proof do you need? Although at least the Alley play some football, in fact they would win out Junior A handily if taken half way seriously
Youre right that the Rapps would have been sharper had they gone straight into a Leinster championship but whos fault is that? County Board who decided on a split championship and on top of that predominantly hurling clubs who voted through that Hurling went first in a split season.
So we develop a system that basically hinders our hurling winners doing well in Leinster, have it pushed through by the majority of hurling clubs yet football is the problem! Like i said, like day follows night!" Exactly.
Rathnure are on their longest ever fallow streak since first winning a senior title, in 1940 I think.
Oulart are going through a virtual famine compared to the wealth of success not too long ago. But in fairness won underage football titles last year. Tide may be turning.
It's thirty years since Buffers Alley's last senior hurling win, and the last county title they won was....junior B football. They also competed in the under-20 football Roinn 2 final last year.
I would argue any of the dual clubs that have won the senior hurling recently have done so because of football rather than in spite of it. The benefits outweigh the negatives.
If the gap between the end of the local hurling championships and the start of the Leinster series was such a concern, why did they not switch it up this year then and put the football first? Oh wait, we couldn't possibly play the hurling post August.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 17/05/2022 12:28:01
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Win we progress but unlikely to a Leinster final, anything else we're out. Very straightforward scenario. Imagine being in Waterford's shoes where not only do they have to win in Ennis but also need cork to draw or lose v Tipp" No if we win and Galway win 3 teams on 6pts goes by scoring then not head to head so kk and galway leinster final no way we can qualify for leinster final if Dublin win then its a galway dublin leinster final and we 3rd if we win but if kk win and dublin beat galway then it's a kk dublin leinster final with galway 3rd.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 410 - 17/05/2022 12:31:51
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "That split season needs to be scraped ASAP. Ridiculous idea. Whichever code goes first is going to be hindered in their provincial championship. The system before Covid was fine and I didn't see anyone clamouring for a split season. 2 weeks hurling followed by 2 weeks football worked well. I'm my club we trained both codes on some nights regardless of what code the game at the weekend was. Kept us sharp for both champion's and kept us happy." Yep completely agree.
There was a compromise system went to the county board this year from a club where they proposed doing exactly that, football and hurling alternating every 2 weeks until knockout stage and then play one to completion followed by the other. Could ahve been a compromise between the 2 systems
But i agree, even the system before Covid was fine
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1549 - 17/05/2022 12:38:30
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Back to the match, how are we fixed on the injury front. What happened DOF and is Ryan ok
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 17/05/2022 12:55:21
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Replying To Tiger1: "No if we win and Galway win 3 teams on 6pts goes by scoring then not head to head so kk and galway leinster final no way we can qualify for leinster final if Dublin win then its a galway dublin leinster final and we 3rd if we win but if kk win and dublin beat galway then it's a kk dublin leinster final with galway 3rd." If we beat KK by 15 points and Galway beat Dublin we are in the final against Galway. So not very likely!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16803 - 17/05/2022 13:17:48
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Replying To Tiger1: "No if we win and Galway win 3 teams on 6pts goes by scoring then not head to head so kk and galway leinster final no way we can qualify for leinster final if Dublin win then its a galway dublin leinster final and we 3rd if we win but if kk win and dublin beat galway then it's a kk dublin leinster final with galway 3rd." If we beat KK by 15 points and Galway beat Dublin we are in the final against Galway. So not very likely!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16803 - 17/05/2022 13:18:26
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