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Gutted not to get over the line last night. Had the chances to win it, did not take them.
Kilkenny did what Kilkenny do best, take their chances. We got to the pace of the game after 20 minutes and clawed them back. There is an anomaly in Wexford teams at every level in that they all start slowly.
I disagree that the line were slow to make changes. You have to let the match develop and the team get in to the game and see where opposition dominating. We had a manager in the year before covid and if we had a bad start the changes would start after 5 minutes. Let players get going and then see where things are at.
The conditions were awful for hurling. It was the blusteriest wind ever and the slippy pitch did not help affairs. But in general the Tipp Limerick u20 final was a world apart in terms of hurling.
But that said, the next crop of Wexford hurlers is coming off this team and should get game time next year in the league.
Out of every underage competition by May though, and no game time for some of these until July/August, I hope the club u20 is going to be played in the summer? Otherwise, they will have nearly 3 months with no meaningful games.
Re Oisin Pepper, the most disappointing thing about what happened is that he has got scarcely any game time.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1923 - 10/05/2022 16:51:28
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Gutted not to get over the line last night. Had the chances to win it, did not take them.
Kilkenny did what Kilkenny do best, take their chances. We got to the pace of the game after 20 minutes and clawed them back. There is an anomaly in Wexford teams at every level in that they all start slowly.
I disagree that the line were slow to make changes. You have to let the match develop and the team get in to the game and see where opposition dominating. We had a manager in the year before covid and if we had a bad start the changes would start after 5 minutes. Let players get going and then see where things are at.
The conditions were awful for hurling. It was the blusteriest wind ever and the slippy pitch did not help affairs. But in general the Tipp Limerick u20 final was a world apart in terms of hurling.
But that said, the next crop of Wexford hurlers is coming off this team and should get game time next year in the league.
Out of every underage competition by May though, and no game time for some of these until July/August, I hope the club u20 is going to be played in the summer? Otherwise, they will have nearly 3 months with no meaningful games.
Re Oisin Pepper, the most disappointing thing about what happened is that he has got scarcely any game time." Think Wexford should have gone for a goal with that late 20 metre free. The shot would have been hard to stop on the slippy pitch. The ref played on and Wexford did miss that chance to equalise. It'll be interesting to see if Limerick are that far ahead of Kilkenny if ahead at all. I'd say Kilkenny will give that Final a good go. Always tough to lose by a point and I'm sure Wexford are very disappointed.I read that a lot of the Wexford players are underage again next year so there's hope in that for the Model county.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2580 - 10/05/2022 17:18:06
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Gutted not to get over the line last night. Had the chances to win it, did not take them.
Kilkenny did what Kilkenny do best, take their chances. We got to the pace of the game after 20 minutes and clawed them back. There is an anomaly in Wexford teams at every level in that they all start slowly.
I disagree that the line were slow to make changes. You have to let the match develop and the team get in to the game and see where opposition dominating. We had a manager in the year before covid and if we had a bad start the changes would start after 5 minutes. Let players get going and then see where things are at.
The conditions were awful for hurling. It was the blusteriest wind ever and the slippy pitch did not help affairs. But in general the Tipp Limerick u20 final was a world apart in terms of hurling.
But that said, the next crop of Wexford hurlers is coming off this team and should get game time next year in the league.
Out of every underage competition by May though, and no game time for some of these until July/August, I hope the club u20 is going to be played in the summer? Otherwise, they will have nearly 3 months with no meaningful games.
Re Oisin Pepper, the most disappointing thing about what happened is that he has got scarcely any game time." I heard there's going to be an u19 competition and no u20 but a final decision hasn't been made. Wexford co board hasn't treated u20 /21 seriously…. Run it off and get it out of the way is the attitude. Last year it was done and dusted within a month and held during senior club championship . A few years ago the final was played end of November/early December.
I don't know the answer with the effect of split season, colleges and schools hurling early in the year so finding a good time to run it off is a problem but we need to decide is it a gateway to player development or not or send players back to their clubs to play meaningless league games.
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Replying To zinny: "On the S&C point - I don't understand it. I would have thought that a very high % of these lads are in third level of some sort and if they are on the Wexford U20 team should be in that institutions elite training squads where they learn about the need for S&C, also also have access to gyms on or close to campus. If we are relying on the amount of time that they spend with the U20s to build their S&C then its already too late. So are we saying that Wexford lads just do not understand the need for S&C although they see everyone around them doing it? As Viking would point out with Rugby the education around the need for S&C starts in School - perhaps we need S&C coaches to go around to all the clubs and start educating the boys at U17 level on what the need to be doing and how. That is not just Hurling but also Football." I do think the whole area has improved over compared to before, only we are still a couple of years behind the trailblazers and have yet to see the results. It could be argued that we have actually taken a step back compared to 2019 when we won the minor title.
However, perhaps a bigger concern is that there are still coaches, especially at club level, that value skill over conditioning, which starts to be problematic when we come up against 'bigger' lads who might have less of a skillset but are physically superior.
And it seems to be an inherent issue in Wexford, striking a balance that is. I mean how often have we seen our seniors unable to pick the ball up cleanly in a ruck, and how come our scoring percentage from frees are lower than the real contenders? Yes we no longer get swatted aside physically compared to even a decade ago, well not as frequently, but I don't know if we have the same expertise in every facet of the game as other counties.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 10/05/2022 19:03:29
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Wexford beat tipp recently in a challenge match so there mighn't be as much between limerick/tipp and kk as we think, but in saying that I think limerick will win by 7 or 8 in the final. Corey Dunbar has been disappointing for the under 20 last few games but I heard today the chap was playing with a broken finger and trying to recover for it over the last few weeks, so that explain it. I taught the six backs were excellent last night and the rest of the team played in flashes. We missed to many easy scores and made few silly mistakes in possession but I think the best team lost last night. Fair play to the lads for putting in a huge effort
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 10/05/2022 20:39:27
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Replying To Afinestick: "Heartbreaking loss last night . We did enough to win that game. Wides killed us. I'd agree that a lot more Kilkenny lads had filled out. Why is it in Wexford we have such a problem with S & C of our underage teams? The only area Kilkenny had an advantage over us last night was physically and aerially particularly around their half back line they had huge men. It's so frustrating we had the hurling to beat them last night. Feel sorry for Jack Redmond he had a good game overall" To be fair to them, I think the Development Squads must reallt emphasise working on skills as opposed to S&C, which I think is the right approach. Technical skills are a lot harder to develop than S&C; if you emphasise S&C too much at the under-age level, you can end up with players that dominate from U13 to Minor but then lack the technical ability to make the breakthrough at Senior level. I do think though that the S&C work done by the U20s could have been better but this is a young squad, with players who are still doing the Leaving Cert e.g. Pepper, Byrne-Dunbar etc. If the grade gets moved up to U21 as it should and if a lot of these lads start playing Fitzgibbon as they should and if a lot of this panel end up making the Senior panel as they should, their S&C will come on bucketloads. If Wexford ended up playing Kilkenny next year in U21, I'd be fancying my chances big time.
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 618 - 10/05/2022 20:43:59
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@StoreysTash: no game time for some of these until July/August, I hope the club u20 is going to be played in the summer? Otherwise, they will have nearly 3 months with no meaningful games.
Am just going to answer this part of your post, because I've little or nothing to say about last night's U20 final that hasn't been said already. Just to let you know that the club championship this year will be U19, and it's to start in late June/early July alongside the adult championships, with matches being played midweek. Think the idea is groups of four, so that everybody gets at least three games.
Would expect that all of a county U20 squad would be lining out at some level with their club's adult teams as well, so they'll actually have a whole stack of games starting in about seven weeks time, rather than going three months without anything meaningful.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3004 - 10/05/2022 21:16:36
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@StoreysTash: no game time for some of these until July/August, I hope the club u20 is going to be played in the summer? Otherwise, they will have nearly 3 months with no meaningful games.
Am just going to answer this part of your post, because I've little or nothing to say about last night's U20 final that hasn't been said already. Just to let you know that the club championship this year will be U19, and it's to start in late June/early July alongside the adult championships, with matches being played midweek. Think the idea is groups of four, so that everybody gets at least three games.
Would expect that all of a county U20 squad would be lining out at some level with their club's adult teams as well, so they'll actually have a whole stack of games starting in about seven weeks time, rather than going three months without anything meaningful." Oh, I did not know a decision had been made. Nor did the younger lads in training. They thought it hadn't been decided yet.
If there is an u19 competition then there should be an u21 in my opinion.
Honestly, I don't think league matches are very meaningful until the last game or two before championship.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1923 - 11/05/2022 10:08:42
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Interesting listening to the hurling podcast this morning . Keith Rossiter said that Michael Martin and Declan Browne are coming up with a plan for S & C of our underage teams. Hopefully we will benefit from this as there is plenty of good young hurlers in the county
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 11/05/2022 10:30:02
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Replying To hunting: "Wexford beat tipp recently in a challenge match so there mighn't be as much between limerick/tipp and kk as we think, but in saying that I think limerick will win by 7 or 8 in the final. Corey Dunbar has been disappointing for the under 20 last few games but I heard today the chap was playing with a broken finger and trying to recover for it over the last few weeks, so that explain it. I taught the six backs were excellent last night and the rest of the team played in flashes. We missed to many easy scores and made few silly mistakes in possession but I think the best team lost last night. Fair play to the lads for putting in a huge effort" Has to be said that the u20's were very unfortunate with the injuries they picked up this year. Dylan whelan and justin Moran both starters on '19 minor team were both absent for the whole campaign. Scallan and Dunbar both picked up nasty finger injuries and Richie Lawlor was absent for 5 or 6 weeks with a foot injury along with the pepper situation. Just wondering why joe conroy another starter in'19 and who played u20 v Dublin the following year wasn't involved this year.
All in all while losing Monday was a real sickener I think it was a positive year for the u20's
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 11/05/2022 10:54:10
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@StoreysTash - the decision was made in February, at the same time as the decision that the adult championships would go back to groups of six. Club county board reps were at that meeting, and details of all decisions were sent to club secretaries a day or two afterwards, along with a master fixtures calendar with different start dates depending on how far Wexford progress in inter-county championships.
Frankly, am surprised that young lads in training didn't know this, considering your county board rep was probably at the meeting and your club secretary got the info some three months ago. But that's neither here nor there, and you or them or anyone else who wants it should be able to get the details from your secretary now anyway.
By the way, there was discussion too of whether there should be an U21 as well as an U19 competition, but it was decided against on a couple of grounds. Main ones included probably too many fixtures to fit into a short space of time, and too many demands on an 18/19 year old who'd then be playing U19, U21 and adult.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3004 - 11/05/2022 11:09:51
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Gutted not to get over the line last night. Had the chances to win it, did not take them.
Kilkenny did what Kilkenny do best, take their chances. We got to the pace of the game after 20 minutes and clawed them back. There is an anomaly in Wexford teams at every level in that they all start slowly.
I disagree that the line were slow to make changes. You have to let the match develop and the team get in to the game and see where opposition dominating. We had a manager in the year before covid and if we had a bad start the changes would start after 5 minutes. Let players get going and then see where things are at.
The conditions were awful for hurling. It was the blusteriest wind ever and the slippy pitch did not help affairs. But in general the Tipp Limerick u20 final was a world apart in terms of hurling.
But that said, the next crop of Wexford hurlers is coming off this team and should get game time next year in the league.
Out of every underage competition by May though, and no game time for some of these until July/August, I hope the club u20 is going to be played in the summer? Otherwise, they will have nearly 3 months with no meaningful games.
Re Oisin Pepper, the most disappointing thing about what happened is that he has got scarcely any game time." Tbh the way they have been run off nearly every county is out of 1 or both underage competitions already. They have been run off earlier. Better for the upcoming club u19 championship anyway.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 11/05/2022 11:45:16
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@StoreysTash - the decision was made in February, at the same time as the decision that the adult championships would go back to groups of six. Club county board reps were at that meeting, and details of all decisions were sent to club secretaries a day or two afterwards, along with a master fixtures calendar with different start dates depending on how far Wexford progress in inter-county championships.
Frankly, am surprised that young lads in training didn't know this, considering your county board rep was probably at the meeting and your club secretary got the info some three months ago. But that's neither here nor there, and you or them or anyone else who wants it should be able to get the details from your secretary now anyway.
By the way, there was discussion too of whether there should be an U21 as well as an U19 competition, but it was decided against on a couple of grounds. Main ones included probably too many fixtures to fit into a short space of time, and too many demands on an 18/19 year old who'd then be playing U19, U21 and adult." Thanks Pikeman96, I am surprised too.
Fair points re U21.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1923 - 11/05/2022 12:48:29
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Replying To Afinestick: "Interesting listening to the hurling podcast this morning . Keith Rossiter said that Michael Martin and Declan Browne are coming up with a plan for S & C of our underage teams. Hopefully we will benefit from this as there is plenty of good young hurlers in the county" Thanks for posting. Well worth listening to.
Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 319 - 11/05/2022 13:09:47
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Replying To Pikeman96: "@StoreysTash: no game time for some of these until July/August, I hope the club u20 is going to be played in the summer? Otherwise, they will have nearly 3 months with no meaningful games.
Am just going to answer this part of your post, because I've little or nothing to say about last night's U20 final that hasn't been said already. Just to let you know that the club championship this year will be U19, and it's to start in late June/early July alongside the adult championships, with matches being played midweek. Think the idea is groups of four, so that everybody gets at least three games.
Would expect that all of a county U20 squad would be lining out at some level with their club's adult teams as well, so they'll actually have a whole stack of games starting in about seven weeks time, rather than going three months without anything meaningful." The problem with that is that many Clubs will be under pressure with fielding teams.
You will likely find a situation where for many clubs theres going to be a situation where u19 players will be playing adult games the same time they are going to be expected to play u19 games and with even the adult games to go midweek its going to lead to conflict.
I know it was raised in our club and the adult manager said that the adult team will have at least 3 x u19 players on their first team with another 4 at least playing with the second team and would be calling for those players to be excluded from u19 championship.
I imagine most clubs are in the same boat to be honest
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Attention now turns to Saturday . We need a good performance and win before heading to Kilkenny in search of a win to stay in the championship . I would go with our full team . Westmeath have proved plucky oppenents for Dublin and Kilkenny in Mullingar So we need to be focused
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 11/05/2022 15:50:50
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Replying To tearintom: " Replying To Pikeman96: "@StoreysTash: no game time for some of these until July/August, I hope the club u20 is going to be played in the summer? Otherwise, they will have nearly 3 months with no meaningful games.
Am just going to answer this part of your post, because I've little or nothing to say about last night's U20 final that hasn't been said already. Just to let you know that the club championship this year will be U19, and it's to start in late June/early July alongside the adult championships, with matches being played midweek. Think the idea is groups of four, so that everybody gets at least three games.
Would expect that all of a county U20 squad would be lining out at some level with their club's adult teams as well, so they'll actually have a whole stack of games starting in about seven weeks time, rather than going three months without anything meaningful." The problem with that is that many Clubs will be under pressure with fielding teams. You will likely find a situation where for many clubs theres going to be a situation where u19 players will be playing adult games the same time they are going to be expected to play u19 games and with even the adult games to go midweek its going to lead to conflict. I know it was raised in our club and the adult manager said that the adult team will have at least 3 x u19 players on their first team with another 4 at least playing with the second team and would be calling for those players to be excluded from u19 championship. I imagine most clubs are in the same boat to be honest"
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 11/05/2022 16:06:04
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Replying To Afinestick: "Attention now turns to Saturday . We need a good performance and win before heading to Kilkenny in search of a win to stay in the championship . I would go with our full team . Westmeath have proved plucky oppenents for Dublin and Kilkenny in Mullingar So we need to be focused" Absolutely Afinestick. Starting-
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Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 11/05/2022 16:26:01
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Replying To Viking66: "Absolutely Afinestick. Starting-
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With Lawlor, Morris, Dwyer, O Foley, Devitt, Banville, Casey, Murphy, Byrne, Lawlor, Scallan on the bench. Bring Morris on at half time to get some gametime into him ahead of the trip to Nowlan Park and start Pepper to give him a good run out also." Mcguckin instead of Murphy
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 11/05/2022 16:30:15
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To tearintom: "[quote=Pikeman96: "@StoreysTash: no game time for some of these until July/August, I hope the club u20 is going to be played in the summer? Otherwise, they will have nearly 3 months with no meaningful games.
Am just going to answer this part of your post, because I've little or nothing to say about last night's U20 final that hasn't been said already. Just to let you know that the club championship this year will be U19, and it's to start in late June/early July alongside the adult championships, with matches being played midweek. Think the idea is groups of four, so that everybody gets at least three games.
Would expect that all of a county U20 squad would be lining out at some level with their club's adult teams as well, so they'll actually have a whole stack of games starting in about seven weeks time, rather than going three months without anything meaningful." The problem with that is that many Clubs will be under pressure with fielding teams. You will likely find a situation where for many clubs theres going to be a situation where u19 players will be playing adult games the same time they are going to be expected to play u19 games and with even the adult games to go midweek its going to lead to conflict. I know it was raised in our club and the adult manager said that the adult team will have at least 3 x u19 players on their first team with another 4 at least playing with the second team and would be calling for those players to be excluded from u19 championship. I imagine most clubs are in the same boat to be honest"
Sometimes I think we do too much mollycoddling these days. And then we'll be wondering why there's a drop-off rate after minor.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 11/05/2022 16:31:13
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