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How many players can graduate onto the senior panel now is the big question. Of players who haven't featured with seniors Next year I would love to see Aj Redmond , Kyle Scallan, Cian Molloy , Richie Lawlor , Cian Byrne and Jack Redmond all given a chance to move up now . Think Tomas Kinsella has been hard done by not getting a start and he may have what it takes to be given a chance on the senior panel also . Devastated to lose that game last night but I left Carlow more confident in the future of Wexford hurling.
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Is there talk of changing back to U21 and U18. This would be brilliant for the development of the two Wexford sides.
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 10/05/2022 10:21:02
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Replying To 96andproud: "Tough night last night but a very proud Dad of this group of young men and how they responded this year collectively after last year. Some really bright signs for wexford hurling for the future and really tough on Jack at the end. Early non start killed us but showed real fighting spirit to get back in the contest. Thought our line were slow to react at the start and make changes when needed but players did respond. You'd imagine Limerick based on last week will be overwhelming favourites." Maybe you can tell us who will be U20 again next year?
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 10/05/2022 10:25:05
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Replying To tearintom: "Personally I'm annoyed after last night, really annoyed.
Not with the players, I thought they were magnificent, talented, skillful and above all a bunch of lads with guts and fight to claw themselves back into a game when at the start they looked like they could get over run. Every last one of them deserves all the credit they get and more because I believe these players are being let down.
First off I thought the line were slow to make changes, little bit of a light in the headlight approach, in fact to me it looks like the players were instigating a lot of the tweaks and changes themselves but that can happen, we got back into it despite the slow start.
Secondly I looked at the 2 teams and there was a difference in them, in terms of conditioning, not size. These Kilkenny lads were better conditioned, not bigger physically but obviously the work done that we hadn't. Now that's something within our control so why? Another case of our players taking to the field effectively already behind and operating with one hand behind their back, not acceptable.
And lastly looking at a close game like that where scores are a premium and thinking of a talented young hurler like Oisin Pepper on the sideline and thinking what difference might he actually make compared to being effectively sacrificed for what exactly? How does his treatment benefit either him or Wexford underage hurling.
Those players of ours are stars and deserve better imho." In my lifetime it's a common trait in management to be slower than other counties to make changes when they're glaringly obvious and I don't know why that's the case.
Your point re s&c has been discussed many times as recently as the last few days.
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Replying To tearintom: "Personally I'm annoyed after last night, really annoyed.
Not with the players, I thought they were magnificent, talented, skillful and above all a bunch of lads with guts and fight to claw themselves back into a game when at the start they looked like they could get over run. Every last one of them deserves all the credit they get and more because I believe these players are being let down.
First off I thought the line were slow to make changes, little bit of a light in the headlight approach, in fact to me it looks like the players were instigating a lot of the tweaks and changes themselves but that can happen, we got back into it despite the slow start.
Secondly I looked at the 2 teams and there was a difference in them, in terms of conditioning, not size. These Kilkenny lads were better conditioned, not bigger physically but obviously the work done that we hadn't. Now that's something within our control so why? Another case of our players taking to the field effectively already behind and operating with one hand behind their back, not acceptable.
And lastly looking at a close game like that where scores are a premium and thinking of a talented young hurler like Oisin Pepper on the sideline and thinking what difference might he actually make compared to being effectively sacrificed for what exactly? How does his treatment benefit either him or Wexford underage hurling.
Those players of ours are stars and deserve better imho." Best post on here in a while and couldn't agree more.
Line far too slow to make changes last night - cleaned out in a few position and the lads brought in nearly done enough to scrape a draw. There is no excuse for not being at same level conditioning wise - we have very very well paid lads in the county board so money shouldn't be an issue here. The Oisin Pepper loss was huge and he should never have been thrown in the deep end against Galway or Dublin. We can blame the rule all we want but Egan playing him is where the blame should lie. Could've been difference in winning last night if Oisin was on the pitch.
grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 182 - 10/05/2022 10:34:06
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Replying To tearintom: "Personally I'm annoyed after last night, really annoyed.
Not with the players, I thought they were magnificent, talented, skillful and above all a bunch of lads with guts and fight to claw themselves back into a game when at the start they looked like they could get over run. Every last one of them deserves all the credit they get and more because I believe these players are being let down.
First off I thought the line were slow to make changes, little bit of a light in the headlight approach, in fact to me it looks like the players were instigating a lot of the tweaks and changes themselves but that can happen, we got back into it despite the slow start.
Secondly I looked at the 2 teams and there was a difference in them, in terms of conditioning, not size. These Kilkenny lads were better conditioned, not bigger physically but obviously the work done that we hadn't. Now that's something within our control so why? Another case of our players taking to the field effectively already behind and operating with one hand behind their back, not acceptable.
And lastly looking at a close game like that where scores are a premium and thinking of a talented young hurler like Oisin Pepper on the sideline and thinking what difference might he actually make compared to being effectively sacrificed for what exactly? How does his treatment benefit either him or Wexford underage hurling.
Those players of ours are stars and deserve better imho." Couldn't agree more . Pepper should have been kept for the under 20 . We could be under 20 Leinster Champions and in an All Ireland final if he was available.
Regarding the S&C it was very obvious last night Kilkenny were well ahead in that regard. We seem to be well behind in this regard. It's very frustrating our lads have the hurling to beat anyone in Leinster. This is something that really needs to be addressed if we are to progress as a county . Our young players deserve the chance to compete with the top teams and we are doing it with one hand behind our back as you said
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 10/05/2022 10:38:33
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Great display last night and most unlucky. not at least snatch a draw at the death. Those young Model men can be very proud of themselves. As regards Limerick/KK it is hard to know. Our boys played very poorly the first night against Clare and but for Cathal O'Neill, who scored 2.3 out of 3.7 we were gone. However, the lads have really upped the anti since and beat Cork, Waterford and Tipp, with the latter two games been cliff hangers. I feel if our free taker is anything as good as he has been over the past few games, we might just about shade it. We have never lost an All Ireland Final at this grade." Hard luck to Wexford last night; KK doing KK all out…just getting over the line somehow. OTM, where did you watch it? I'd like to look back at it, if there's a link. I've only read about it, and it seems that a draw would not have been an unfair result on the evening. Keep at it, Wexford.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2357 - 10/05/2022 10:40:38
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Proud of that performance but gutted about the result.
There was nothing between those sides.
Hard luck to Keith Rossiter, the players and everybody else involved.
I will state the obvious here but that was a great hard working effort by this panel of players. That's a great attribute and characteristic to have as a team and players.
There's many fine hurlers on that team who will go on to play senior for Wexford IF they continue to develop.
Well done to the subs who came in as well - I thought they contributed massively to the Wexford effort.
Overall they should be proud of their performance and on another night, they would have won that game. So well done to them and they should keep their heads high. Yes, they will be gutted and they should be, but the crucial piece is that they continue to improve.
A special mention for Cian Byrne who scored 0-7 from frees and 0-3 from play. That's serious performance on the big day. He is a tidy corner forward who goes quietly about his own business. He was superb last night. If we had won, the headlines would have been about Cian Byrne. In Kilkenny, they are excited about Billy Drennan (and rightly so), but Cian Byrne scored as many as Drennan did on frees last night AND scored 3 points from play. He is a hidden gem.
As somebody else mentioned earlier, these guys will fill out in the next few years with more strength and conditioning.
My perspective is that some of these lads won't even know their potential until they hit 22/23 - there's subs last night who could make it to the senior panel with the right attitude and development over a few years.
As discussed already on this forum, we are clearly behind the curve in the strength and conditioning area.
Maybe that could be the item to translate those tight losses into wins.
By the way ... I heard a rumour last night that there's some movement on hiring somebody for a strength and conditioning role - hopefully we will hear something soon but again it was a rumour, so let's wait and see.
In summary, well done to the u-20's on a great performance.
On another night, you would have won that game.
Heads up and be proud of your performance.
Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 319 - 10/05/2022 10:53:52
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Replying To Afinestick: "How many players can graduate onto the senior panel now is the big question. Of players who haven't featured with seniors Next year I would love to see Aj Redmond , Kyle Scallan, Cian Molloy , Richie Lawlor , Cian Byrne and Jack Redmond all given a chance to move up now . Think Tomas Kinsella has been hard done by not getting a start and he may have what it takes to be given a chance on the senior panel also . Devastated to lose that game last night but I left Carlow more confident in the future of Wexford hurling." Agree about Tucker. Hes got the height too as well as the stick work.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 10/05/2022 10:54:43
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Replying To 96andproud: "Tough night last night but a very proud Dad of this group of young men and how they responded this year collectively after last year. Some really bright signs for wexford hurling for the future and really tough on Jack at the end. Early non start killed us but showed real fighting spirit to get back in the contest. Thought our line were slow to react at the start and make changes when needed but players did respond. You'd imagine Limerick based on last week will be overwhelming favourites." Well done to your young lad and his team mates. They can all be very proud of that performance.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 10/05/2022 10:55:35
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Replying To Afinestick: "How many players can graduate onto the senior panel now is the big question. Of players who haven't featured with seniors Next year I would love to see Aj Redmond , Kyle Scallan, Cian Molloy , Richie Lawlor , Cian Byrne and Jack Redmond all given a chance to move up now . Think Tomas Kinsella has been hard done by not getting a start and he may have what it takes to be given a chance on the senior panel also . Devastated to lose that game last night but I left Carlow more confident in the future of Wexford hurling." No point in rushing through players to senior lots of things change in a young man's life at that age and may never come through big step up to senior as we all know a good under age player often goes by the wayside while others appear out of no where to make an impact. Pitch was in a terrible state last night surely home or away was the right call equally bad for both I know but our fellas seemed much lighter and would have benefited more from a good pitch.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 410 - 10/05/2022 11:09:31
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Darragh Egan has made some massive mistakes in his first year.
Playing Pepper was a big error and he should have the decency to start the chap vs Westmeath now to lessen the impact on his development.
The other mistake was starting Dwyer K Foley and Mc Guckin in the half forward line when they are no good in the air and with Jacko and Chin on the bench. He stuck with this losing formula against Waterford Galway and Dublin.
Finally his insistence on conceding every puck out was a foolish tactic,
These errors may end up costing us two Leinster Finals IMO - senior and U20 which I feel we would have won this year without these poor decisions
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 10/05/2022 11:49:21
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Replying To Tiger1: "No point in rushing through players to senior lots of things change in a young man's life at that age and may never come through big step up to senior as we all know a good under age player often goes by the wayside while others appear out of no where to make an impact. Pitch was in a terrible state last night surely home or away was the right call equally bad for both I know but our fellas seemed much lighter and would have benefited more from a good pitch." Tend to disagree . This is our most talented team at this age group since 2015. There are lots of players on this panel capable of making the step up. Any lad who is up to standard and is not under 20 next year I would like to see them given a chance at start of the year at least . Let them get a taste for senior inter county hurling hurling wise and put them on a proper S&C program. I would expect a few retirements over next 2 or 3 years so we are going to need these lads coming through and they will need to be bedded in
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 10/05/2022 11:52:40
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I would concur with most things already said about last night, particularly some of the inertia on the sideline. We were getting cleaned out aerially, especially from puck-outs, yet continued to go long when playing through the lines may have been more beneficial. That young Langton lad roasted us.
We were too slow to make changes as well. There was one fella named that didn't do a whole lot yet lasted the bulk of the game, while there was at least two lads who weren't brought on soon enough.
It was a heartbreaking way to lose, but did we create any goal chances? I can't recall anything clearcut anyway. Great heart and determination shown in the end, but we snookered ourselves in terms of lagging behind S and C-wise, and with the whole Pepper situation.
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Hard luck to Wexford last night; KK doing KK all out…just getting over the line somehow. OTM, where did you watch it? I'd like to look back at it, if there's a link. I've only read about it, and it seems that a draw would not have been an unfair result on the evening. Keep at it, Wexford." Was on Tg4 Mr Young
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 10/05/2022 12:26:50
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Replying To beano: "I would concur with most things already said about last night, particularly some of the inertia on the sideline. We were getting cleaned out aerially, especially from puck-outs, yet continued to go long when playing through the lines may have been more beneficial. That young Langton lad roasted us.
We were too slow to make changes as well. There was one fella named that didn't do a whole lot yet lasted the bulk of the game, while there was at least two lads who weren't brought on soon enough.
It was a heartbreaking way to lose, but did we create any goal chances? I can't recall anything clearcut anyway. Great heart and determination shown in the end, but we snookered ourselves in terms of lagging behind S and C-wise, and with the whole Pepper situation." One of Cian Byrnes points was a good goal attempt. He hit it well but it was always rising. He was annoyed with himself. No point going on about the Pepper situation. He wasn't available so no point dwelling on What ifs. Personally I'd like to see Pepper, Scallan, Cian Byrne and Lawlor get time against Westmeath. All 4 were in the senior panel at the start of the year so shouldn't be too green. The other side of that argument is that we need to improve our points difference in case ourselves and Galway, or 3 of the counties, finish level on points. I think that reduces our chances of doing too much experimenting tbh.
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As an aside does anyone on this know countyman or wexico personally? Did the lads have a duel to sort out their differences or something?! Hope they are both OK.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 10/05/2022 12:53:54
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Hard luck to Wexford last night; KK doing KK all out…just getting over the line somehow. OTM, where did you watch it? I'd like to look back at it, if there's a link. I've only read about it, and it seems that a draw would not have been an unfair result on the evening. Keep at it, Wexford." It's still available on TG4 here:
https://www.tg4.ie/ga/player/seinn/?pid=6305845420112&series=GAA%20Beo&genre=Sport
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2866 - 10/05/2022 13:05:56
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I said in a post yesterday that i didn't think we would beat Kilkenny. We didn't but they gave a performance that impressed me greatly.
Slow start and we were unable to match the cats in the ariel battles.
Great credit to the whole team for the fightback. They didn't panic when they got the goal. Very unlucky not to get at least a draw.
The future looks a lot brighter now with lads like AJ Redmond, Molloy, scallan, Lawlor, Cian Byrne and Jack Redmond to be drafted onto the senior team. It may take a little time to develop them physically but it gives Darragh Egan plenty of options in the near future. Well done and hard luck lads, you can hold your heads high and we are proud of you.
Samson55 (Wexford) - Posts: 103 - 10/05/2022 14:28:57
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Replying To beano: "I would concur with most things already said about last night, particularly some of the inertia on the sideline. We were getting cleaned out aerially, especially from puck-outs, yet continued to go long when playing through the lines may have been more beneficial. That young Langton lad roasted us.
We were too slow to make changes as well. There was one fella named that didn't do a whole lot yet lasted the bulk of the game, while there was at least two lads who weren't brought on soon enough.
It was a heartbreaking way to lose, but did we create any goal chances? I can't recall anything clearcut anyway. Great heart and determination shown in the end, but we snookered ourselves in terms of lagging behind S and C-wise, and with the whole Pepper situation." On the S&C point - I don't understand it. I would have thought that a very high % of these lads are in third level of some sort and if they are on the Wexford U20 team should be in that institutions elite training squads where they learn about the need for S&C, also also have access to gyms on or close to campus. If we are relying on the amount of time that they spend with the U20s to build their S&C then its already too late. So are we saying that Wexford lads just do not understand the need for S&C although they see everyone around them doing it? As Viking would point out with Rugby the education around the need for S&C starts in School - perhaps we need S&C coaches to go around to all the clubs and start educating the boys at U17 level on what the need to be doing and how. That is not just Hurling but also Football.
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