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Replying To Viking66: "Leinster minor hurling final 2022 will be Laois v Offaly. Great for the game! Or maybe some lads still find it embarrassing?" It is still embarrassing regardless if their in a final or not. Do you think in Kilkenny their taking the positives of a defeat to Laois. They'll probably be some sort of inquest into how this happened. Laois never had nor never will have the pedigree that both Wexford and Kilkenny have in hurling. Fair play to them though, I seriously hope they go on and win Leinster as it would be good for the game. However, it's possibly a Leinster that we left behind that we should never have left behind. We should have standards within the county and being beaten by any Laois team should not be acceptable. It won't be accepted in Kilkenny that's for certain. Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 07/05/2022 17:00:34 2415437 Link
Replying To Finchfurlong996: "It is still embarrassing regardless if their in a final or not. Do you think in Kilkenny their taking the positives of a defeat to Laois. They'll probably be some sort of inquest into how this happened. Laois never had nor never will have the pedigree that both Wexford and Kilkenny have in hurling. Fair play to them though, I seriously hope they go on and win Leinster as it would be good for the game. However, it's possibly a Leinster that we left behind that we should never have left behind. We should have standards within the county and being beaten by any Laois team should not be acceptable. It won't be accepted in Kilkenny that's for certain." It will be accepted because it will have to be. No point crying over spilt milk. They will learn something from it same as us. Laois have won Senior All Ireland and Leinster hurling titles. They have some very good club sides some of whom would be senior clubs if they were here in Wexford. Anyway that's the past. Now for the present at minor this year. This year's Laois minor team are obviously a very good crop of players. They are unbeaten this year. They have beaten both us and Kilkenny. Both us and Kilkenny have lost twice this year. Has it not crossed your mind that they are just a better team? Better players, maybe overall, who are certainly better organised and who play better as a team. If they beat us and subsequently lost badly in their next game I would say you might have a point. But in their next game they went and beat Kilkenny. A Kilkenny team who beat us but lost to Dublin. Who today lost to a good Offaly team by 9 points. Maybe instead of flailing around wildly blaming our young players, their management, the Board, the underage structures etc you could just say "Well done and good luck going forward" to your opponents. I do feel there is something wrong with the way our clubs develop players insofar as the better players we produce are generally smaller than most other counties. Yes S and C needs to be looked at from u13 upwards but I don't think that's the whole story. I'm sure you watched our u20s losing to Kildare last year as I did. Some very good players on our team. Many will be lining out in the Leinster u20 final on Monday. Kildares team was noticeably bigger than ours. And it definitely was a factor in their win. Sure size isn't everything but it does help in hurling. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 07/05/2022 17:54:16 2415445 Link
Replying To Viking66: "It will be accepted because it will have to be. No point crying over spilt milk. They will learn something from it same as us. Laois have won Senior All Ireland and Leinster hurling titles. They have some very good club sides some of whom would be senior clubs if they were here in Wexford. Anyway that's the past. Now for the present at minor this year. This year's Laois minor team are obviously a very good crop of players. They are unbeaten this year. They have beaten both us and Kilkenny. Both us and Kilkenny have lost twice this year. Has it not crossed your mind that they are just a better team? Better players, maybe overall, who are certainly better organised and who play better as a team. If they beat us and subsequently lost badly in their next game I would say you might have a point. But in their next game they went and beat Kilkenny. A Kilkenny team who beat us but lost to Dublin. Who today lost to a good Offaly team by 9 points. Maybe instead of flailing around wildly blaming our young players, their management, the Board, the underage structures etc you could just say "Well done and good luck going forward" to your opponents. I do feel there is something wrong with the way our clubs develop players insofar as the better players we produce are generally smaller than most other counties. Yes S and C needs to be looked at from u13 upwards but I don't think that's the whole story. I'm sure you watched our u20s losing to Kildare last year as I did. Some very good players on our team. Many will be lining out in the Leinster u20 final on Monday. Kildares team was noticeably bigger than ours. And it definitely was a factor in their win. Sure size isn't everything but it does help in hurling." A bit more history for you. Laois competed in the 1st ever Leinster hurling championship. We didn't. Our first Leinster win in over 30 years in 1951 we beat Laois in the final. They reached 4 finals in the 30s to our none. They won a Leinster title in the 40s which we didn't. They reached a Leinster final in the 80s and I'm nearly sure they beat us on the way there. Bottom line is this lad. Our record of senior all Ireland hurling titles is far closer to Laois's than Kilkenny's. We don't have any god given right to be beating any Laois team. It takes alot of hard work from our players and management for our teams at any level to be beating Laois. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 07/05/2022 18:14:53 2415449 Link
Replying To Viking66: "A bit more history for you. Laois competed in the 1st ever Leinster hurling championship. We didn't. Our first Leinster win in over 30 years in 1951 we beat Laois in the final. They reached 4 finals in the 30s to our none. They won a Leinster title in the 40s which we didn't. They reached a Leinster final in the 80s and I'm nearly sure they beat us on the way there. Bottom line is this lad. Our record of senior all Ireland hurling titles is far closer to Laois's than Kilkenny's. We don't have any god given right to be beating any Laois team. It takes alot of hard work from our players and management for our teams at any level to be beating Laois." Well said Viking. What needs to be remembered about Minor hurling is that it is a very narrow age group of players, unlike senior hurling. Most Minor players will only play at that level for 1 year, some 2 years, and in exceptional cases 3 years. Next year most of the counties minor teams will look a lot different. Laois and Offaly have obviously got a good crop of Minors players this year. Well done to both counties, and hopefully they'll do themselves and Leinster proud in the coming All-Ireland series. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2866 - 07/05/2022 19:26:06 2415458 Link
Replying To Viking66: "It will be accepted because it will have to be. No point crying over spilt milk. They will learn something from it same as us. Laois have won Senior All Ireland and Leinster hurling titles. They have some very good club sides some of whom would be senior clubs if they were here in Wexford. Anyway that's the past. Now for the present at minor this year. This year's Laois minor team are obviously a very good crop of players. They are unbeaten this year. They have beaten both us and Kilkenny. Both us and Kilkenny have lost twice this year. Has it not crossed your mind that they are just a better team? Better players, maybe overall, who are certainly better organised and who play better as a team. If they beat us and subsequently lost badly in their next game I would say you might have a point. But in their next game they went and beat Kilkenny. A Kilkenny team who beat us but lost to Dublin. Who today lost to a good Offaly team by 9 points. Maybe instead of flailing around wildly blaming our young players, their management, the Board, the underage structures etc you could just say "Well done and good luck going forward" to your opponents. I do feel there is something wrong with the way our clubs develop players insofar as the better players we produce are generally smaller than most other counties. Yes S and C needs to be looked at from u13 upwards but I don't think that's the whole story. I'm sure you watched our u20s losing to Kildare last year as I did. Some very good players on our team. Many will be lining out in the Leinster u20 final on Monday. Kildares team was noticeably bigger than ours. And it definitely was a factor in their win. Sure size isn't everything but it does help in hurling." Laois have some very good club sides who would be senior if they were in Wexford? I presume you're joking or don't follow the Leinster SHC very closely. Clough Ballacolla too good for Rapparees as they advance in Leinster Clough Ballacolla (Laois) 1-17 Rapparees (Wexford) 0-12 AIB Leinster club SHC I would say Laois club hurling is of a very similar standard to Wexford at Senior, intermediate and junior. Wexford probably have a few stronger senior clubs and schools hurling would be a bit stronger alright. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 974 - 07/05/2022 20:26:04 2415467 Link
Replying To Past hurler: "Laois have some very good club sides who would be senior if they were in Wexford? I presume you're joking or don't follow the Leinster SHC very closely. Clough Ballacolla too good for Rapparees as they advance in Leinster Clough Ballacolla (Laois) 1-17 Rapparees (Wexford) 0-12 AIB Leinster club SHC I would say Laois club hurling is of a very similar standard to Wexford at Senior, intermediate and junior. Wexford probably have a few stronger senior clubs and schools hurling would be a bit stronger alright." Laois clubs are always pretty good, Clough beat Crokes with a few Dublin regulars handily enough too. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 07/05/2022 20:30:06 2415468 Link
Replying To Finchfurlong996: "It is still embarrassing regardless if their in a final or not. Do you think in Kilkenny their taking the positives of a defeat to Laois. They'll probably be some sort of inquest into how this happened. Laois never had nor never will have the pedigree that both Wexford and Kilkenny have in hurling. Fair play to them though, I seriously hope they go on and win Leinster as it would be good for the game. However, it's possibly a Leinster that we left behind that we should never have left behind. We should have standards within the county and being beaten by any Laois team should not be acceptable. It won't be accepted in Kilkenny that's for certain." It's really not embarrassing and won't be looked at as embarrassing in Kilkenny either. Simply because to look at it as embarrassing is plain and simply a lack of respect which they don't do and in all honesty we shouldn't be doing either. Nor will the likes of Kilkenny look at it and say that's not good enough, of course they will but not because it's Laois because it's anyone. And rather than showing a lack of respect labelling it embarrassing we should be doing the same, looking at them and saying ok here's another team stepping up to the plate so what are they doing that we are not, what do we need to do to step up our game more tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1542 - 08/05/2022 10:34:48 2415503 Link
Replying To Past hurler: "Laois have some very good club sides who would be senior if they were in Wexford? I presume you're joking or don't follow the Leinster SHC very closely. Clough Ballacolla too good for Rapparees as they advance in Leinster Clough Ballacolla (Laois) 1-17 Rapparees (Wexford) 0-12 AIB Leinster club SHC I would say Laois club hurling is of a very similar standard to Wexford at Senior, intermediate and junior. Wexford probably have a few stronger senior clubs and schools hurling would be a bit stronger alright." I follow the Leinster club hurling championship every year. That's why I said in my post that Laois have some very good senior club sides. Yes I agree their senior, intermediate and junior standards are the same as ours. The reason I used the word some is that they only have 8, I think, senior clubs. Obviously last year you would have to say the best of these were better than the best of ours, being as Clough beat Rapps. But then if our hurling championship had been played after the football and the Rapps lads had of been hurling coming into the Leinster series instead of playing club championship football then they might have done better in Leinster. Either way the point of my original post still stands. We have no right to just turn up and and think we will beat any Laois team. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 08/05/2022 11:38:34 2415515 Link
Replying To tearintom: "It's really not embarrassing and won't be looked at as embarrassing in Kilkenny either. Simply because to look at it as embarrassing is plain and simply a lack of respect which they don't do and in all honesty we shouldn't be doing either. Nor will the likes of Kilkenny look at it and say that's not good enough, of course they will but not because it's Laois because it's anyone. And rather than showing a lack of respect labelling it embarrassing we should be doing the same, looking at them and saying ok here's another team stepping up to the plate so what are they doing that we are not, what do we need to do to step up our game more" Exactly Tearintom. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 08/05/2022 11:39:16 2415516 Link
Replying To Viking66: "I follow the Leinster club hurling championship every year. That's why I said in my post that Laois have some very good senior club sides. Yes I agree their senior, intermediate and junior standards are the same as ours. The reason I used the word some is that they only have 8, I think, senior clubs. Obviously last year you would have to say the best of these were better than the best of ours, being as Clough beat Rapps. But then if our hurling championship had been played after the football and the Rapps lads had of been hurling coming into the Leinster series instead of playing club championship football then they might have done better in Leinster. Either way the point of my original post still stands. We have no right to just turn up and and think we will beat any Laois team." The wexford club scene is that of intermediate standard in other counties. Thats why we have so little quality players to chose from. We are no different to laois, carlow etc with the exception of 3 or 4 really good players that keep us afloat. Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 275 - 08/05/2022 13:57:49 2415546 Link
Replying To Waltermitty2: "The wexford club scene is that of intermediate standard in other counties. Thats why we have so little quality players to chose from. We are no different to laois, carlow etc with the exception of 3 or 4 really good players that keep us afloat." We have more club hurlers than Carlow and Laois put together so that's just not true. We have plenty of good hurlers to choose from. Carlow and Laois combined only have 12 senior clubs. Yes they would be around the same standard as ours but there are other reasons why our clubs are not as competitive in Leinster. The best hurling clubs in Wexford currently are dual clubs. So most of their players play club football as well. This would be the single biggest reason why we aren't as competitive in Leinster. If our hurling championship was run off after the football we would do better in Leinster. Or if Oulart, the Alley and Rathnure got competitive again they would probably do better in Leinster. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 08/05/2022 14:37:23 2415552 Link
Replying To Viking66: "We have more club hurlers than Carlow and Laois put together so that's just not true. We have plenty of good hurlers to choose from. Carlow and Laois combined only have 12 senior clubs. Yes they would be around the same standard as ours but there are other reasons why our clubs are not as competitive in Leinster. The best hurling clubs in Wexford currently are dual clubs. So most of their players play club football as well. This would be the single biggest reason why we aren't as competitive in Leinster. If our hurling championship was run off after the football we would do better in Leinster. Or if Oulart, the Alley and Rathnure got competitive again they would probably do better in Leinster." So your saying football is holding back the quality of club hurling in wexford? Thats laughable. A team like st annes wouldnt even be senior in most counties yet they are often in the county final. Its clear to see that wexford club hurling is very poor no matter what way you try to spin it. Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 275 - 08/05/2022 15:31:33 2415577 Link
Replying To Waltermitty2: "So your saying football is holding back the quality of club hurling in wexford? Thats laughable. A team like st annes wouldnt even be senior in most counties yet they are often in the county final. Its clear to see that wexford club hurling is very poor no matter what way you try to spin it." Not at all. Read the post. I'm saying that most of the Rapps lads played a sport as different to hurling as Rugby or soccer for the weeks leading into the Leinster club hurling championship. So of course their hurling suffered. Same as Donohue and Hearne in the Walsh Cup and early league. Its only the last couple of games Donohue looks back sharp with his hurling. Not surprising when their main focus over the winter was on football with Shels. Our club set up of predominantly dual clubs is brilliant for my young lads. And is far truer to the real ethos of the GAA. But when you come up against other counties where most clubs are either mainly hurling clubs or mainly football clubs of course their hurling and football would be better. Clare, Waterford, Cork, Kilkenny, Tipp, Limerick and Galway all have mostly hurling clubs playing at the very top level in hurling. And even at that half of Galways senior clubs are really only Intermediate standard. There have been moves recently to restructure their club hurling championship but there is massive resistance from alot of clubs who will lose their senior status. What is perhaps more important as regards your point is why has the standard dropped in the 4 mostly hurling clubs we actually do have in the county who have won most of the club senior titles since the 60s in Wexford. While 3 of the 4 have 8 players between them in the 24 man panel for the u20 final on Monday evening, some of whom hopefully will make a big impact at Senior in years to come, there was only 1 player from all 4 of those clubs put together on the 26 man senior panel for any of the games in this year's Leinster Championship. These 4 clubs backboned the better Wexford intercounty teams in the 60s, 70s and 90s. Sadly they just haven't for a good number of years now. These things go in cycles. No parish is going to produce great players the whole time. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 08/05/2022 16:07:31 2415598 Link
Could part of the problem be that at underage level dev squads are actually detrimental to player development . Most if not all managers at this level are also starting out in their management careers and need success to put them in the shop windows for lucrative club or county roles . Therefore success might be just more important than actual player development. Really the players are just part of their big plan and can become collateral damage along the road. Success at county underage level for a manager may just get them that better expenses/bonus paying gig. Player welfare and development become secondary to success . Coaching officers and player liason officers and someone to watch and monitor players development within the set up snd I m sure all clubs would be more than willing for someone to come in and possibly monitor the same elements of development . I think the success and professional approach to Gaa needs to be brought right down to grass roots level to develop all players equally with the afore mention officers being savvy enough to see what's needed . A blueprint of what's needed drawn up and be fluid enough to adapt as its needed. Skills Strenght and conditioning Athletism Mindfulness And all others attributes needed for both codes . We can't just focus on the here and now. It all has to fit into a bigger development plan for future development of our county . Would need to be reviewed strenuously every year and change what's not working and have the balls to clear out any deadwood not doing their role . I think managerial expenses have made gaa more about toatal success for egos than actual player welfare and development. I really could never imagine myself training or managing a team to actually beat my home county or club . How anyone can do it is beyond me . Is it about improving the games or financial reward I m sure there is a proportion of both but the split is unknown . Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 08/05/2022 20:43:55 2415733 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Not at all. Read the post. I'm saying that most of the Rapps lads played a sport as different to hurling as Rugby or soccer for the weeks leading into the Leinster club hurling championship. So of course their hurling suffered. Same as Donohue and Hearne in the Walsh Cup and early league. Its only the last couple of games Donohue looks back sharp with his hurling. Not surprising when their main focus over the winter was on football with Shels. Our club set up of predominantly dual clubs is brilliant for my young lads. And is far truer to the real ethos of the GAA. But when you come up against other counties where most clubs are either mainly hurling clubs or mainly football clubs of course their hurling and football would be better. Clare, Waterford, Cork, Kilkenny, Tipp, Limerick and Galway all have mostly hurling clubs playing at the very top level in hurling. And even at that half of Galways senior clubs are really only Intermediate standard. There have been moves recently to restructure their club hurling championship but there is massive resistance from alot of clubs who will lose their senior status. What is perhaps more important as regards your point is why has the standard dropped in the 4 mostly hurling clubs we actually do have in the county who have won most of the club senior titles since the 60s in Wexford. While 3 of the 4 have 8 players between them in the 24 man panel for the u20 final on Monday evening, some of whom hopefully will make a big impact at Senior in years to come, there was only 1 player from all 4 of those clubs put together on the 26 man senior panel for any of the games in this year's Leinster Championship. These 4 clubs backboned the better Wexford intercounty teams in the 60s, 70s and 90s. Sadly they just haven't for a good number of years now. These things go in cycles. No parish is going to produce great players the whole time." Very valid post viking and your last two lines answer your own question about these 4 clubs. A lot of these clubs produced families of brothers than came along at the seen time aswel and families are not as big nowadays either. I noticed it against Ballyhale v St Martin's in Leinster you could see the Ballyhale lads played hurling morning noon and night first touch and skills that bit faster and crisper night while Martin's prob had football distractions. Having the option to be a dual county or dual club is great but it comes with a price and especially in hurling against the top hurling clubs. Louhhmore castleiney are the exception and probably could of won a Munster club if they were not playing football every second weekend. But for some clubs having the football fitness base actually helps their hurling players so there is a balance to it all too. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 974 - 08/05/2022 21:13:42 2415746 Link
Big game tonight . Hopefully the lads get the support they deserve . A win would be a huge boost for Wexford hurling. Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 09/05/2022 09:15:15 2415785 Link
Replying To Waltermitty2: "So your saying football is holding back the quality of club hurling in wexford? Thats laughable. A team like st annes wouldnt even be senior in most counties yet they are often in the county final. Its clear to see that wexford club hurling is very poor no matter what way you try to spin it." In fairness I don't think he was saying that at all. hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 09/05/2022 09:21:28 2415788 Link
Replying To hunting: "In fairness I don't think he was saying that at all." He has a very appropriate username. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1922 - 09/05/2022 10:51:30 2415834 Link
Replying To Afinestick: "Big game tonight . Hopefully the lads get the support they deserve . A win would be a huge boost for Wexford hurling." It would. Hopefully we get that little bit of luck too. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 09/05/2022 11:09:58 2415847 Link
Best of luck to the U-20's tonight. Lots of good players on this Wexford team. I am looking forward to a highly committed Wexford team performing well and doing their best. Best of luck lads! Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 319 - 09/05/2022 11:17:46 2415851 Link