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Any reports from Senior or Intermediate games this weekend?
oneteamman (Wexford) - Posts: 41 - 18/09/2022 20:46:28
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Replying To oneteamman: "Any reports from Senior or Intermediate games this weekend?" Went to Kennedy Park to see the Intermediate game between Taghmon and Cushinstown. Good exciting game of football as Taghmon led by 9 at one stage before a glut of goals won Cushinstown the game. Cody, Cummins and Eoin Porter had good games for Cushinstown.
Taghmon were already qualified while Cushinstown needed to win. Maybe subconsciously this had an affect on the players. There was noticeably more space than there was in Taghmons 1st 3 games. Taghmon looked good when they were on top in the 1st half but faded badly, especially around the middle 3rd. A black card didn't help their cause either. Made for an exciting game though!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13651 - 18/09/2022 21:45:04
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Replying To Viking66: "Went to Kennedy Park to see the Intermediate game between Taghmon and Cushinstown. Good exciting game of football as Taghmon led by 9 at one stage before a glut of goals won Cushinstown the game. Cody, Cummins and Eoin Porter had good games for Cushinstown.
Taghmon were already qualified while Cushinstown needed to win. Maybe subconsciously this had an affect on the players. There was noticeably more space than there was in Taghmons 1st 3 games. Taghmon looked good when they were on top in the 1st half but faded badly, especially around the middle 3rd. A black card didn't help their cause either. Made for an exciting game though!" I was at the intermediate double-header in Pats Park on Saturday.
Ballyhogue-Bannow was tense considering what was at stake, and both sides probably put in their best displays of the campaign to date. Harney was excellent again, kicking 1-9 of Bannow's 2-10, and is the top scorer in the championship so far. They showed good battling qualities to overcome a first half red card, and a draw would have been a fair result. Roche and Dean Doyle hit the last two points though to sneak it for Ballyhogue, probably fitting too as they were their brightest two players on the day.
Bannow connections confronted the referee at half-time and after the match, some of the abuse quite nasty and kids getting involved as well- really bad form as I assume one of their grievances was for the amount of injury-time played but the game was stopped twice towards the end to address the scoreboard being wrong. Would have been far worse if that wasn't dealt with come the final whistle!
Gorey vs Ferns was a tactical affair eventually decided by a late goal. The amount of joy Gorey got in the first half by inviting on pressure and pouncing on the counter-attack by pushing into the open space that was left behind was extraordinary, although Ferns tightened up in that regard after half-time. They went ahead by a point towards the end, and a draw would have suited them more, but got stung by that late goal, that was well-taken to be fair. Best of the day were Cushe and O'Tuama for Naomh Eanna and Morris for Ferns.
It seemed that Naomh Eanna were waiting for this particular game all year and treated it like a derby, whereas Ferns looked like a team actively hampered by, from what I have heard, only getting one football session a week. They won't have it easy against Clongeen next either, although should have enough of a cushion not to be caught by either of the teams behind them in the standings.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1451 - 19/09/2022 08:09:38
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Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Who are the martin's missing? only one I know is Rory o Connor,the rest of them wudnt make a difference???" I listed them above:
Rory O Connor
Jack O Connor
Joe O Connor
Barry O Connor
Harry O Connor
Ben Maddock
Aaron Maddock
Willie Devereux
Short term -
Tomas Hayes
Joe Coleman
Luke Kavanagh
Mikey Coleman
But of course they 'wudnt make a difference '
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 531 - 19/09/2022 10:03:50
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Replying To Onfor15: "I listed them above:
Rory O Connor
Jack O Connor
Joe O Connor
Barry O Connor
Harry O Connor
Ben Maddock
Aaron Maddock
Willie Devereux
Short term -
Tomas Hayes
Joe Coleman
Luke Kavanagh
Mikey Coleman
But of course they 'wudnt make a difference '" Barry o Connor missing???it's like saying tadhg furlong missing from horsewood,or Brian deeny from Vols, jack o Connor,joe Coleman,Mikey Coleman better than what's on the martin's team I doubt it
Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 472 - 19/09/2022 13:52:30
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Replying To oneteamman: "Any reports from Senior or Intermediate games this weekend?" The Martins had a free right on the start of injury time in the middle of the field and messed it up, CB got the ball and went up field, got a penalty. On the kickout they got the ball got it in and another free. Draw game. No doubt that they were two frees for sure. The Martins looked to be in control of the game as CB didn't seem to have much to offer by way of attacking potential - Waters dominated high kickouts - Foley was badly missed there. Most of it was a bit of dull game, I would say the Martins looked to have the better players and should have won bar the last 3minutes. They will play the losers of Sarsfields and Bunclody, based on what I have seen I would say that would be Bunclody and the Martins I think would have enough to see them through that one. I wouln't be surprised if they win their last game against Kilanerin.
Shels/Castletown. Shels looked to be blowing Castletown away in the first 20mins. Castleown got what I would say was a fortunate penalty but were still 6pts down after 20mins. A combination of things then seemed to happen, they shipped everyone behind the ball to cut down the space and Shels seemed to slip back a gear like they have done in games in the past. They only scored one point for the rest of the game but while Castletown stopped the rot and got close I didn't look like they had what it takes to overtake them and go on and win the game. It was hard to watch at times in the second half, got exciting near the end again as Castletown tried to make one final push for the win. All four teams are through in the group and will play each other in the last game. I have a feeling though that none of them will take any of those games lightly as they want to carry the momentum into the QFs. I fancy Castletown to beat St James but probably still stay 4th but looking at what is happening in the other group I don't think they will be all that concerned about that.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1897 - 19/09/2022 13:53:22
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Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Barry o Connor missing???it's like saying tadhg furlong missing from horsewood,or Brian deeny from Vols, jack o Connor,joe Coleman,Mikey Coleman better than what's on the martin's team I doubt it" Barry O Connor played in last year's championship
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 531 - 19/09/2022 15:32:41
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who looking strong in the inter A and junior A? got report of a few very good games in inter A
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2885 - 19/09/2022 16:15:20
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Replying To Onfor15: "Barry O Connor played in last year's championship" While over on holidays from AFL hardly someone you classify as missing from the regular team. Rory would be a loss but when I look at CB at the weekend I would say their players were a bigger loss and thats down to the effort the club puts into Football. I don't think the lads missing are the problem for the Martins if they want to do well in Football.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1897 - 19/09/2022 16:44:51
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "who looking strong in the inter A and junior A? got report of a few very good games in inter A" Cloughbawn have been the best team I have seen in it so far, albeit in an easier group. The likes of Rosslare and Adamstown will have better quality overall than anything they have faced so far, but they have been knocking on the door long enough.
Junior A looks wide open, but maybe Ferns could win it. Carrying on their good form from junior B last year and a good blend of experience and youth.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1451 - 19/09/2022 16:49:32
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "who looking strong in the inter A and junior A? got report of a few very good games in inter A" In inter A cloughbawn have put up some good scores this year, GOH gave them a good game the weekend and were only a point down with afew minutes of normal time left. This does look be the weaker side of the group. Adamstown and Rosslare are going well in the other side, interesting to see the Vols also showing some form again this year. They have backed up some good result's from league after having afew very disappointing year.
To me there looks to be 3 teams in it that will be very hard to split
JT22 (Wexford) - Posts: 49 - 19/09/2022 16:52:08
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "who looking strong in the inter A and junior A? got report of a few very good games in inter A" Marshalstown have been winning all before them in one group, it the other Shels, and Ferns both unbeaten have still to play, you would suspect Shels would have the edge there as its their second team from Senior and Ferns Intermediate. Most I have spoken to would have Marshalstown down as the favorites but then again when you see group games with big scorelines its hard to know the quality of what is in the group
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1897 - 19/09/2022 18:38:07
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Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Barry o Connor missing???it's like saying tadhg furlong missing from horsewood,or Brian deeny from Vols, jack o Connor,joe Coleman,Mikey Coleman better than what's on the martin's team I doubt it" the martins are flying him back for their big game
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2885 - 20/09/2022 10:07:11
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Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Barry o Connor missing???it's like saying tadhg furlong missing from horsewood,or Brian deeny from Vols, jack o Connor,joe Coleman,Mikey Coleman better than what's on the martin's team I doubt it" Or Jack Guiney missing for Rathnure
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 726 - 20/09/2022 11:46:54
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Interesting to see, according to the preview of this weekend's games, that Joe Hagan is back in with Gusserane. I don't contend with the "he knows Wexford football inside out" tenet though- surely every single manager in the championship is in a similar boat.
Gusserane vs. Starlights: Gusserane have done remarkably well to be through to the last-eight given their opening round loss and well-documented injures. In fact their three wins on the bounce since is matched by Glynn and only bettered by Shelmaliers when stretched over four games. Rossiter is in Matty Forde levels of scoring form, but I wouldn't be surprised if they rested a few bodies ahead of the quarters, as I am sure they don't really care where they end up so long as they are there. The need is greater for Starlights, and last week was the sort of battling performance they have produced the last few years. It's no coincidence that their biggest tally to date came when Gooch is back fully fit- a timely boost. Starlights by three.
Crossabeg vs. St.Anne's: tie of the round for me. Crossabeg have hit eight goals in four games, and are a match for anyone on their day. To have the best scoring difference in a competitive group is amazing really. But they are not there yet, and could be dumped out on 5 points if results elsewhere go against them. St.Anne's are probably the one team I would hate to play in a final group game with plenty at stake- they have hit at least one goal in every game and are actually the top scorers in the group. Dark-horses for the championship on current form. Crossabeg have been a breath of fresh air, and an example to other clubs looking to making the breakthrough in the code, but I think St.Anne's experience might nudge them over the line by two points.
Kilanerin vs. St.Martin's: Kilanerin have shipped a heavy score in each of their last two games, and have needlessly dragged themselves into potential trouble as a result. Martin's must be sickened at throwing away their lead the last day, but it's more important to them now to make sure they have everybody available for the relegation play-off than chasing a dead-rubber win. With that in mind, Kilanerin by four points.
That would leave the table as:
1. St Anne's 6 pts +16
2. Gusserane 6 pts +5
3. Kilanerin 6 pts +2
4. Starlights 6 pts -6
Group B is a bit more straight-forward. Of the two games between the four qualifiers, Shels might shade Glynn by two points, while I would expect St.James to rest O'Hanlon (quietly a contender for player of the year), KOG and others, and Castletown won't want to lose three in a row ahead of the knock-outs (who would?) so tip Castletown to win that one by four points.
Sarsfields vs. Bunclody: hard to know which way this will go. Sarsfields were commended for bringing the fight in losing efforts to Shels and Castletown in the first two rounds, but their scoring has dropped considerably since. They hit only 1-6 and 2-4 in last two games. Conversely, scoring was a problem for Bunclody up to last weekend when they registered 3-10, and if they can maintain that form up front, they'll have a chance. A lot will depend on the availabilty of O'Connor as he'd be a ready-made marker for Chin, and while Sarsfields have a bit more pace up front with their young lads, Bunclody are more organised defensively. Restarts have been a problem for both goalies, so whoever can retain their fair share of possession in the middle third will probably win it. I don't expect it to be a classic, and wouldn't be surprised if Bunclody eked out a tight win.
Group B would look like:
1. Shelmaliers 10 pts
2. Glynn 6 pts +11
3. St.James 6 pts +8
4. Castletown 6 pts +5
Making the quarter-finals:
Shelmaliers vs Starlights
Glynn vs Kilanerin
St.James vs. Gusserane
Castletown vs. St.Anne's
My track-record hasn't been outstanding however!
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1451 - 22/09/2022 10:28:31
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I see in the Wexford GAA bulletin, (the last committee meeting), that are asking clubs to considering the following:
- Championship Structures
- Increase - Decrease number of games
- Extend past club championship window so no leinster club teams
- Grading system for junior b championships.
For my own thoughts on the championship structures, while I do prefer two groups of 6, it isnt really fisable with the way things are, with players playing every week with no break. To continue this, I think you would have to not enter a team in Leinster but I dont think thats fair either.
My own thoughts then would be that the groups will have to be smaller, so groups of four. How about reducing the number of teams in Senior to 8, increasing teams in other grades to 16 teams below, again with four groups of four (Junior A would probably have to be eight also). It would mean 3 group games and then a quarter final in senior, teams would be guaranteed 4 games in senior, just one less than 2 groups of six at the minute, it should free up weekends in the middle of the championship for a break while also providing two weeks to a county final for teams. You could have it top teams into semis, second and third teams play each other for last two spots and bottom two into relagation final. In inter with 16 teams, four top teams into quarters, second and third teams play off with winners into quarters, bottom teams in group into relegation semis. The advantages are that it make for a very competitive senior championship, (I know its already competitive) and be able to give players a weeknd off. Disadvanatges are that there is less games and only 8 teams in senior. I know that the above probably wouldnt be popular but I think all ideas shouldnt be dismissed and I would hope clubs will engage with their ideas.
Final point, I hope that that they bring back promotion-relegation into the leagues, they are currently pointless at the minute when there is nothing on the line.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 436 - 22/09/2022 13:20:27
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Replying To beano: "Interesting to see, according to the preview of this weekend's games, that Joe Hagan is back in with Gusserane. I don't contend with the "he knows Wexford football inside out" tenet though- surely every single manager in the championship is in a similar boat.
Gusserane vs. Starlights: Gusserane have done remarkably well to be through to the last-eight given their opening round loss and well-documented injures. In fact their three wins on the bounce since is matched by Glynn and only bettered by Shelmaliers when stretched over four games. Rossiter is in Matty Forde levels of scoring form, but I wouldn't be surprised if they rested a few bodies ahead of the quarters, as I am sure they don't really care where they end up so long as they are there. The need is greater for Starlights, and last week was the sort of battling performance they have produced the last few years. It's no coincidence that their biggest tally to date came when Gooch is back fully fit- a timely boost. Starlights by three.
Crossabeg vs. St.Anne's: tie of the round for me. Crossabeg have hit eight goals in four games, and are a match for anyone on their day. To have the best scoring difference in a competitive group is amazing really. But they are not there yet, and could be dumped out on 5 points if results elsewhere go against them. St.Anne's are probably the one team I would hate to play in a final group game with plenty at stake- they have hit at least one goal in every game and are actually the top scorers in the group. Dark-horses for the championship on current form. Crossabeg have been a breath of fresh air, and an example to other clubs looking to making the breakthrough in the code, but I think St.Anne's experience might nudge them over the line by two points.
Kilanerin vs. St.Martin's: Kilanerin have shipped a heavy score in each of their last two games, and have needlessly dragged themselves into potential trouble as a result. Martin's must be sickened at throwing away their lead the last day, but it's more important to them now to make sure they have everybody available for the relegation play-off than chasing a dead-rubber win. With that in mind, Kilanerin by four points.
That would leave the table as:
1. St Anne's 6 pts +16
2. Gusserane 6 pts +5
3. Kilanerin 6 pts +2
4. Starlights 6 pts -6
Group B is a bit more straight-forward. Of the two games between the four qualifiers, Shels might shade Glynn by two points, while I would expect St.James to rest O'Hanlon (quietly a contender for player of the year), KOG and others, and Castletown won't want to lose three in a row ahead of the knock-outs (who would?) so tip Castletown to win that one by four points.
Sarsfields vs. Bunclody: hard to know which way this will go. Sarsfields were commended for bringing the fight in losing efforts to Shels and Castletown in the first two rounds, but their scoring has dropped considerably since. They hit only 1-6 and 2-4 in last two games. Conversely, scoring was a problem for Bunclody up to last weekend when they registered 3-10, and if they can maintain that form up front, they'll have a chance. A lot will depend on the availabilty of O'Connor as he'd be a ready-made marker for Chin, and while Sarsfields have a bit more pace up front with their young lads, Bunclody are more organised defensively. Restarts have been a problem for both goalies, so whoever can retain their fair share of possession in the middle third will probably win it. I don't expect it to be a classic, and wouldn't be surprised if Bunclody eked out a tight win.
Group B would look like:
1. Shelmaliers 10 pts
2. Glynn 6 pts +11
3. St.James 6 pts +8
4. Castletown 6 pts +5
Making the quarter-finals:
Shelmaliers vs Starlights
Glynn vs Kilanerin
St.James vs. Gusserane
Castletown vs. St.Anne's
My track-record hasn't been outstanding however!" Don't think anyone has been great at predicting the football this year Beano. If nothing else it's been pretty competitive.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13651 - 22/09/2022 13:47:35
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You could also keep the 12 senior and have three groups of 4 and then work from through quarters to final, and increase other grades to 16 teams. It also would make the groups more interesting that you wouldnt be playing the same teams every year. Had a quick look at other counties. Kilkenny is just a straight knockout, cork and Tipperary have groups of 4 along with Dublin. Wexford seems to be one of the few that have groups of 6. As stated already this is my preference but I think currently players need at a break in the championship and this can't happen in the current format.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 436 - 22/09/2022 14:29:53
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Replying To alwaysasub: "You could also keep the 12 senior and have three groups of 4 and then work from through quarters to final, and increase other grades to 16 teams. It also would make the groups more interesting that you wouldnt be playing the same teams every year. Had a quick look at other counties. Kilkenny is just a straight knockout, cork and Tipperary have groups of 4 along with Dublin. Wexford seems to be one of the few that have groups of 6. As stated already this is my preference but I think currently players need at a break in the championship and this can't happen in the current format." The big problem with three groups of four is how exactly do you get eight teams out of it for the quarter-finals? I've considered it several times myself and simply can't come up with a solution that would be generally accepted.
Group winners and runners-up would give you six teams, but how do you decide which two of the third-placed teams should get the last two spots?
You could say the two with the best record, but that's potentially seen as unfair if one group is clearly stronger than the other. And while you could talk about "luck of the draw", there'd still be many unhappy with it, and that's why I don't think it would be generally accepted.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2577 - 22/09/2022 16:47:49
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Replying To alwaysasub: "I see in the Wexford GAA bulletin, (the last committee meeting), that are asking clubs to considering the following:
- Championship Structures
- Increase - Decrease number of games
- Extend past club championship window so no leinster club teams
- Grading system for junior b championships.
For my own thoughts on the championship structures, while I do prefer two groups of 6, it isnt really fisable with the way things are, with players playing every week with no break. To continue this, I think you would have to not enter a team in Leinster but I dont think thats fair either.
My own thoughts then would be that the groups will have to be smaller, so groups of four. How about reducing the number of teams in Senior to 8, increasing teams in other grades to 16 teams below, again with four groups of four (Junior A would probably have to be eight also). It would mean 3 group games and then a quarter final in senior, teams would be guaranteed 4 games in senior, just one less than 2 groups of six at the minute, it should free up weekends in the middle of the championship for a break while also providing two weeks to a county final for teams. You could have it top teams into semis, second and third teams play each other for last two spots and bottom two into relagation final. In inter with 16 teams, four top teams into quarters, second and third teams play off with winners into quarters, bottom teams in group into relegation semis. The advantages are that it make for a very competitive senior championship, (I know its already competitive) and be able to give players a weeknd off. Disadvanatges are that there is less games and only 8 teams in senior. I know that the above probably wouldnt be popular but I think all ideas shouldnt be dismissed and I would hope clubs will engage with their ideas.
Final point, I hope that that they bring back promotion-relegation into the leagues, they are currently pointless at the minute when there is nothing on the line." You say that in Senior with 8 teams that everyone will get 4 matches; 3 in a group & then a quarter final. Then you go on to say that the top team goes straight to semi, 2nd & 3rd playoff and 4th goes to relegation. Which is it?
8 in a championship doesn't work. Also try to tell 4 hurling & football Senior teams they are being removed to intermediate.
The best alternative on what I've seen on here so far is that it remains 12 teams with first place going straight to a semi final; 2nd & 3rd into a quarter final. 4th & 5th safe but no further game. 6th relegation playoff. Atleast that way there is an incentive to top your group.
Agree with your stance on leagues though. Has to be promotion & relegation to make them worthwhile. Glorified practice matches at the moment.
oneteamman (Wexford) - Posts: 41 - 22/09/2022 17:10:23
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