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Mayo V Tyrone All-Ireland Football Final

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  ""Dublin Joe" was brilliantly psyched out of the 2012 semi final by Horan. with consequence that he let them away with piles of stuff in second half that day. I don't recall him ever having done them any harm!

Generally speaking he is good, and tends to let games flow and only intervene for dangerous play, which is what ought to be the guideline. Himself, Gough or Goldrick would have been good selections.

Least said about certain other chap the better ..."
Apart from timewasting at the end where we dragged lads down and took yellows, what else did Mayo get away with?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8398 - 05/09/2021 09:09:10    2377868

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Replying To centerfield:  "How many tickets are the Tyrone clubs getting from their county board"
Of hand I think it comes down to club membership, ordinary years I've never seen anybody who wanted a ticket not get one.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2298 - 05/09/2021 10:18:26    2377874

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Apart from timewasting at the end where we dragged lads down and took yellows, what else did Mayo get away with?"
Dublin did the same thing in the 2nd half in 2013

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 457 - 05/09/2021 10:42:15    2377877

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Replying To centerfield:  "How many tickets are the Tyrone clubs getting from their county board"
Mayo and Tyrone. are each getting 11,450 tickets to be distributed by the county boards, this figure is only slightly down on previous years. Tickets to non- participating counties will be greatly reduced.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 394 - 05/09/2021 10:56:56    2377882

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Replying To MayoDan:  "Dublin did the same thing in the 2nd half in 2013"
It doesn't bother me. They were worse at the end of 17 final. But I would want my team doing the same I just find it hilarious a poster pointing it out.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8398 - 05/09/2021 11:28:53    2377888

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So this game should be billed as the nations sweet hearts versus the nations bad boys :-)

Its going to be a great occasion who ever wins, I'll be shouting for Tyrone as they beat us last Saturday so they have my support also I love their bad boy ways I could see the team rocking up to Croker on motorbikes instead of a team bus and wild thing blaring out over the tannoy :-)

Mickey Harte said about 15 years ago that no team can win Sam coming out of div 2 and they haven't but then again Mayo are no ordinary team and if any team could buck that trend then it's them as they're capable of doing anything on a football field, but then I'm thinking it's an allireland final and Paddy Prendergast is still alive and well in Tralee thank God.

I don't see this being a high scoring game but it'll be intriguing all the same, can't wait for it now and best of luck to both teams and supporters and enjoy the build up lads.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 05/09/2021 11:53:37    2377891

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To me it looks like Mayo's long wait for the holy grail will finally come to an end next weekend. They have lost 10 finals in a row since '89 but I'd say this is the first time (since their last win) that they are going into a final as favourites, knowing that if they play their best level, regardless of how Tyrone play they will probably win it.
They are in a good position to perform well, they will be confident but, after all the final losses won't be over confident.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 05/09/2021 12:26:07    2377892

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Is that a one way street?"
Cut both ways? Short answer: no.
Longer answer:
I've lived as long in the South as in the North, and it does give you a better perspective than if you're just a day tripper. I naturally identify on an all-Ireland basis for a few reasons: (i) from a border area (access to RTÉ, and every other weekend in South Donegal, probably my favourite place in the world); (2) working in Dublin; and (3) the GAA - thanks to the GAA, I've travelled to commercially-ignored parts of the country for league matches down the years, parts of the country that I never otherwise would have been in (e.g., parts of Roscommon, or Laois), and had great crack chatting with the locals in each location, whether at matches, or in pubs, or in B&Bs or cafés. Don't underestimate that in helping to create an all-island identity.
However, if you live away from a border area, and don't follow GAA, never seen RTÉ, and have never lived (as opposed to just visited, which tells you nothing) in the other part of the country, people like that would naturally feel quite cut off from the South or the North. I met plenty of middle-class people in Belfast, and in Dublin, who are like that. They have no particular dislike of the South or the North (respectively); the other part of the island just doesn't socially or culturally exist for them.
That said, certainly among GAA fans like me who would identify as traditional Nationalists, I'd say it does not cut both ways. We're a bit like the Unionists in relation to London. The poor Unionists are fond of England, but the vast majority of English people (I also lived in England for over a decade) do not reciprocate, and view them with a mix of complete indifference and mild contempt. Similarly, lots of Northern Nationalists think more of the South than the South thinks of them. The Troubles played a big part in that "Southern distancing". Naturally, the South would have been concerned to keep the Troubles at a distance, i.e., as far as possible confined to the 6 counties. As part of that, you had considerable state censorship in the South, and, as the Troubles dragged on, a lessening of identifying with Northern nationalists and more of a shift to a "plague on both their houses" attitude. That is, not unreasonable to perceive that everybody in the North was a bit uncivilised / beyond help, and nobody wants to be reminded about them. I notice how at work, when younger Dublin folk do a map of Ireland, they invariably cut off the 6 counties, so I always make jokes about the "new coastline at Dundalk" etc.
The North has 2 main communities, one looking to Dublin, one looking to London; and the reality is that both communities are somewhat deluded.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 05/09/2021 12:49:58    2377896

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Watched a tribute last night to Mickey Hatre on YouTube and yes l,m biased but I thought it was very good and went through the glory years etc with some good insight. The big thing I took from it was the belief which has passed from Mickey Harte down to the likes of Peter Canavan and more importantly to Brian Dooher. Dooher was a good captain and is definitely a manager you would want to play for. Maybe this was the difference in the two teams last week and may help Tyrone edge it in the final

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1792 - 05/09/2021 13:39:25    2377902

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The nerves have really kicked in now. This day week it'll either be celebrations in Omagh or Castlebar (barring a draw).

I genuinely can't seperate these two teams, without doubt the two best teams in the Country left standing. For me, Tyrone have the momentum and a better preparation with a 2 week turn around. I expect it'll take us 15-20 mins to get up to the pace of the game (hopefully no goals conceded in this period). The loss of Oisin Mullin and Eoin McLaughlin is devastating to us. Their blinding pace sets them apart, probably the two quickest players at present in intercounty football.

The heart says Mayo, but the head is saying Tyrone by 4 points. Just feel our continual habit of conceding goals in AI finals will be our un doing.

Flyingintraining (Mayo) - Posts: 13 - 05/09/2021 15:00:10    2377912

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Replying To timmyhogan:  ".
"Don't get this same province business. Gough reffed two big Dublin Kerry games 16 & 19 (very differently as it happens) and he's from Meath & lives in Dublin. Deegan reffed Mayo Dublin and he's from Laois. DJ is called that for a reason despite being from Cavan. Etc etc
And Cormac Reilly isn't from Munster but would any grown ups say he didn't decide the outcome of the Mayo Kerry replay in 14"


I posted on this earlier (see above) but let's take a logical approach to your argument.
You are clear that there exists a potential (or perhaps evidence) for bias in GAA refs.
Some of us may well agree with you! In some cases.
However your solution is to appoint refs from outside the competing provinces.
Why should that remove this bias. What evidence is there for this assertion; That geography cures the blackest of souls!!
Do you honestly think Mayo Co Board would accept Cormac Reilly for the final - if he was still on the panel.

As a historical curiosity Reilly has reffed Mayo Tyrone in the champo, back in 2008.
The year that Tyrone beat Kerry in the 'game of the decade'. In the Qualifiers however Tyrone had a scare, beating Mayo by 1 pt. Late on in that game Micheal Jackson evaded a last man tackle/foul and was through on goal but the bould Cormac whistled when he was clear and Mayo made do with the pointed free and lost by a point.
Now I don't claim that Mayo would have necessarily won the match (tight margins though) never mind threaten Sam that year. But Reilly didn't do Kerry any favours that time ;-)"
I was at that 2008 game and it had a surreal ending with Cormac blowing up 90 seconds into the allotted 3 mins and a Mayo player having just been fouled 40m out directly in front of the Tyrone goal. Cormac wasn't risking an equalizer and one more play after. For sure, had Mayo won they'd likely have gift wrapped Kerry another AI title whereas when Tyrone got there they did the business for the third time.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 05/09/2021 16:52:22    2377927

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Replying To Flyingintraining:  "The nerves have really kicked in now. This day week it'll either be celebrations in Omagh or Castlebar (barring a draw).

I genuinely can't seperate these two teams, without doubt the two best teams in the Country left standing. For me, Tyrone have the momentum and a better preparation with a 2 week turn around. I expect it'll take us 15-20 mins to get up to the pace of the game (hopefully no goals conceded in this period). The loss of Oisin Mullin and Eoin McLaughlin is devastating to us. Their blinding pace sets them apart, probably the two quickest players at present in intercounty football.

The heart says Mayo, but the head is saying Tyrone by 4 points. Just feel our continual habit of conceding goals in AI finals will be our un doing."
Is Oisin Mullin not good to go?

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 394 - 05/09/2021 16:54:23    2377928

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Replying To Pericles:  "
Replying To timmyhogan:  ".
"Don't get this same province business. Gough reffed two big Dublin Kerry games 16 & 19 (very differently as it happens) and he's from Meath & lives in Dublin. Deegan reffed Mayo Dublin and he's from Laois. DJ is called that for a reason despite being from Cavan. Etc etc
And Cormac Reilly isn't from Munster but would any grown ups say he didn't decide the outcome of the Mayo Kerry replay in 14"


I posted on this earlier (see above) but let's take a logical approach to your argument.
You are clear that there exists a potential (or perhaps evidence) for bias in GAA refs.
Some of us may well agree with you! In some cases.
However your solution is to appoint refs from outside the competing provinces.
Why should that remove this bias. What evidence is there for this assertion; That geography cures the blackest of souls!!
Do you honestly think Mayo Co Board would accept Cormac Reilly for the final - if he was still on the panel.

As a historical curiosity Reilly has reffed Mayo Tyrone in the champo, back in 2008.
The year that Tyrone beat Kerry in the 'game of the decade'. In the Qualifiers however Tyrone had a scare, beating Mayo by 1 pt. Late on in that game Micheal Jackson evaded a last man tackle/foul and was through on goal but the bould Cormac whistled when he was clear and Mayo made do with the pointed free and lost by a point.
Now I don't claim that Mayo would have necessarily won the match (tight margins though) never mind threaten Sam that year. But Reilly didn't do Kerry any favours that time ;-)"
I was at that 2008 game and it had a surreal ending with Cormac blowing up 90 seconds into the allotted 3 mins and a Mayo player having just been fouled 40m out directly in front of the Tyrone goal. Cormac wasn't risking an equalizer and one more play after. For sure, had Mayo won they'd likely have gift wrapped Kerry another AI title whereas when Tyrone got there they did the business for the third time."
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Ta for the response. Didn't know that - was not in Ireland & have no memory of that game at all.
Bar that Mayo weren't up to much that year and the backdoor run obviously did Tyrone no harm.
Saw the highlights on UTube a few years ago and thought it ironic in light of the 2014 clown show.

timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 05/09/2021 17:42:41    2377935

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Both teams can run all day, but Mayo have more pace and directness.
Cant see anything other than 4/5 point win for Mayo on the day.

Vish (USA) - Posts: 94 - 05/09/2021 17:55:18    2377944

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Replying To timmyhogan:  "
Replying To Pericles:  "[quote=timmyhogan:  ".
"Don't get this same province business. Gough reffed two big Dublin Kerry games 16 & 19 (very differently as it happens) and he's from Meath & lives in Dublin. Deegan reffed Mayo Dublin and he's from Laois. DJ is called that for a reason despite being from Cavan. Etc etc
And Cormac Reilly isn't from Munster but would any grown ups say he didn't decide the outcome of the Mayo Kerry replay in 14"


I posted on this earlier (see above) but let's take a logical approach to your argument.
You are clear that there exists a potential (or perhaps evidence) for bias in GAA refs.
Some of us may well agree with you! In some cases.
However your solution is to appoint refs from outside the competing provinces.
Why should that remove this bias. What evidence is there for this assertion; That geography cures the blackest of souls!!
Do you honestly think Mayo Co Board would accept Cormac Reilly for the final - if he was still on the panel.

As a historical curiosity Reilly has reffed Mayo Tyrone in the champo, back in 2008.
The year that Tyrone beat Kerry in the 'game of the decade'. In the Qualifiers however Tyrone had a scare, beating Mayo by 1 pt. Late on in that game Micheal Jackson evaded a last man tackle/foul and was through on goal but the bould Cormac whistled when he was clear and Mayo made do with the pointed free and lost by a point.
Now I don't claim that Mayo would have necessarily won the match (tight margins though) never mind threaten Sam that year. But Reilly didn't do Kerry any favours that time ;-)"
I was at that 2008 game and it had a surreal ending with Cormac blowing up 90 seconds into the allotted 3 mins and a Mayo player having just been fouled 40m out directly in front of the Tyrone goal. Cormac wasn't risking an equalizer and one more play after. For sure, had Mayo won they'd likely have gift wrapped Kerry another AI title whereas when Tyrone got there they did the business for the third time."
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Ta for the response. Didn't know that - was not in Ireland & have no memory of that game at all.
Bar that Mayo weren't up to much that year and the backdoor run obviously did Tyrone no harm.
Saw the highlights on UTube a few years ago and thought it ironic in light of the 2014 clown show."]Lets hope for both Tyrone and Mayo we see nothing "ironic" from Joe next Saturday and he has a good game.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 05/09/2021 18:24:41    2377961

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McQuillan will do Tyrone no favours that's for sure, everybody bar Tyrone supporters and the very few like myself in other counties want to see Tyrone beaten here,
they want the wee teachers pets from Mayo to finally get over the line and not bottle another final,
Tyrone will have to win this the hard way, can see McQuillan doing all he can to help Mayo.
Hoping to see Tyrone romp home by 6 or 7 points please God.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3202 - 05/09/2021 18:36:36    2377971

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Old Moore's Almanac predicts Mayo to win the All Ireland 2021. That's enough for me.!

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2423 - 05/09/2021 19:02:11    2377973

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Jeez you sound like some of my own county men!! When did he cost Mayo an All Ireland?"
Telling Cillian there was 30 seconds to go in 2013. Then blowing it up from the kickout (which was going out for a Mayo sideline).

And 2017. . .what Vaughan did was stupid, no doubt, but he gave Dublin the lot that day.

Not as clear amd obvious as Cormac in Limerick or Lane at the death in the 2016 draw, but still, on the balance of it, he swung the pendulum the way the money was leaning.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5251 - 05/09/2021 19:40:28    2377984

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Replying To endgame:  "Old Moore's Almanac predicts Mayo to win the All Ireland 2021. That's enough for me.!"
Old Moore predicted Kerry to win it in 2020, hope they are wrong again.!"

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3202 - 05/09/2021 19:46:11    2377988

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "McQuillan will do Tyrone no favours that's for sure, everybody bar Tyrone supporters and the very few like myself in other counties want to see Tyrone beaten here,
they want the wee teachers pets from Mayo to finally get over the line and not bottle another final,
Tyrone will have to win this the hard way, can see McQuillan doing all he can to help Mayo.
Hoping to see Tyrone romp home by 6 or 7 points please God."
Your still eating the same drum….sad individual. Up Mayo

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11583 - 05/09/2021 19:59:40    2377994

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