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McQuillan is an awful selection for this match and I am sorry to say I have absolutely zero doubt that we will be talking about his decisions at the end of it all unfortunately. He was absolutely atrocious in the Donegal Tyrone match earlier this year, you know it's bad when both sets of supporters aren't complaining about the end result, but are complaining about the ref!

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 04/09/2021 13:54:10    2377745

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A few things about this season strike me. First and foremost, no game is more important than your health. Secondly, your friends and family will be with you most of the way through life so never mistake the promises written on water in your sporting life to matter more than they do. Thirdly and finally, reputations in sport only matter when you back them up with performances and back them up consistently.

Good luck to both teams. I trust they will prepare as well as they can. I hope they will do themselves credit on the day. All of us neutrals are hoping for that rarity, a final for the ages. If the appetite of both these teams can be channeled into winning the game rather than on beating the opposition then we might well get that. Here's hoping!

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 04/09/2021 14:06:03    2377747

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Replying To essmac:  "It's Tyrone you're talking about here! We have no friends in refereeing circles or in high places generally. Everybody resents us, even our neighbours in the North. You're forgetting that Cavan is in the political South. Apart maybe from one or two folks in Galway, everyone from the 26 would prefer to see Tyrone lose; and you're in complete denial if you try to claim otherwise. And nobody from Tyrone complained about a Munster referee in 1986. I guess you don't know too much about McQuillan either. I've watched him on numerous occasions down the years, and he has never once gave us a break. His display v Tyrone when we were playing Kerry in 2015 was depressing. Mayo played Fermanagh in 2016, and Joe McQ favoured the non-Ulster team throughout. My heart sank when I heard he'd been appointed. Ulster sides playing a team from any other province should insist on not being refereed by an official from Ulster. That referee will normally do the Ulster side no favours and will go out of their way to show they are not being biased. Tyrone will be playing on eggshells. The entire country wants to see Mayo win this. No ref, and certainly not mcQuillan, will be immune from that general bias. Straight up, I'm dreading what the ref will do in this final."
You'd think as a fellow County man of his, I'd be on here defending Joe.

But even if he does decide to be fair (and remember he's done Mayo out of 2 all ireland finals), his refereeing style alone is enough to ruin this game as a spectacle. Too notebook happy and too slow with it.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5251 - 04/09/2021 14:07:22    2377748

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Replying To essmac:  "Indeed, but not just lazy, there's a kind of paranoia at work here too, and it stems from a partitionist prejudice which very easily views Tyrone folk, and Northerners in general (and I'm including Donegal here!), as "different", "lesser", "not to be trusted" etc. I guess people are innately tribal. There was that famous experiment where researchers took a group of students who had previously been on good terms with each other, give half of them red coats and half of them blue coats, and in a day or so, they mostly hated each other. Partition has had that effect."
Is that a one way street?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 04/09/2021 14:23:24    2377750

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "McQuillan is an awful selection for this match and I am sorry to say I have absolutely zero doubt that we will be talking about his decisions at the end of it all unfortunately. He was absolutely atrocious in the Donegal Tyrone match earlier this year, you know it's bad when both sets of supporters aren't complaining about the end result, but are complaining about the ref!"
Move on! Donegal lost. It's Mayo's and/or Donegal's time to complain about Joe, now! Your issue is well beyond is 'best before date'!

I'm looking forward to this novel final. Not listening to jaded shyte by the likes of you!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2243 - 04/09/2021 14:35:49    2377755

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Replying To essmac:  "Indeed, but not just lazy, there's a kind of paranoia at work here too, and it stems from a partitionist prejudice which very easily views Tyrone folk, and Northerners in general (and I'm including Donegal here!), as "different", "lesser", "not to be trusted" etc. I guess people are innately tribal. There was that famous experiment where researchers took a group of students who had previously been on good terms with each other, give half of them red coats and half of them blue coats, and in a day or so, they mostly hated each other. Partition has had that effect."
Because its Mayo, everyones second favourite team (outside of galway), they'll definitely have most of the country cheering for them next week , but had it been galway v tyrone or meath V tyrone etc, you'd have, in terms of a percentage, a higher number of ulster gaa fans rooting for the ulster team than southern gaa fans rooting for the southern team.
There are only two counties in Ireland who whenever they're playing everyone else wants to see bet and neither of them are from ulster.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 04/09/2021 15:12:09    2377761

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Replying To essmac:  "Indeed, but not just lazy, there's a kind of paranoia at work here too, and it stems from a partitionist prejudice which very easily views Tyrone folk, and Northerners in general (and I'm including Donegal here!), as "different", "lesser", "not to be trusted" etc. I guess people are innately tribal. There was that famous experiment where researchers took a group of students who had previously been on good terms with each other, give half of them red coats and half of them blue coats, and in a day or so, they mostly hated each other. Partition has had that effect."
Well for a start the GAA is built on tribalism and prejudice exists all around us even within Dublin never mind within Ireland, it probably even exists in smaller towns, "don't trust him he's from a bad part of town", you know what I mean.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 04/09/2021 15:15:01    2377763

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "McQuillan is an awful selection for this match and I am sorry to say I have absolutely zero doubt that we will be talking about his decisions at the end of it all unfortunately. He was absolutely atrocious in the Donegal Tyrone match earlier this year, you know it's bad when both sets of supporters aren't complaining about the end result, but are complaining about the ref!"
I'm afraid you are right. It's a shame.

Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 95 - 04/09/2021 15:19:15    2377765

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Did ye learn nothing at school? 4 provinces so maybe a ref from the other 2."
- - - or from Munster, Leinster and Connaught and why not, would there not be louder than loud alarm bells ringing if a referee from Connaught was appointed.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 04/09/2021 15:21:39    2377766

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You'd think as a fellow County man of his, I'd be on here defending Joe.

But even if he does decide to be fair (and remember he's done Mayo out of 2 all ireland finals), his refereeing style alone is enough to ruin this game as a spectacle. Too notebook happy and too slow with it."
Jeez you sound like some of my own county men!! When did he cost Mayo an All Ireland?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8395 - 04/09/2021 15:24:11    2377769

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Replying To essmac:  "It's Tyrone you're talking about here! We have no friends in refereeing circles or in high places generally. Everybody resents us, even our neighbours in the North. You're forgetting that Cavan is in the political South. Apart maybe from one or two folks in Galway, everyone from the 26 would prefer to see Tyrone lose; and you're in complete denial if you try to claim otherwise. And nobody from Tyrone complained about a Munster referee in 1986. I guess you don't know too much about McQuillan either. I've watched him on numerous occasions down the years, and he has never once gave us a break. His display v Tyrone when we were playing Kerry in 2015 was depressing. Mayo played Fermanagh in 2016, and Joe McQ favoured the non-Ulster team throughout. My heart sank when I heard he'd been appointed. Ulster sides playing a team from any other province should insist on not being refereed by an official from Ulster. That referee will normally do the Ulster side no favours and will go out of their way to show they are not being biased. Tyrone will be playing on eggshells. The entire country wants to see Mayo win this. No ref, and certainly not mcQuillan, will be immune from that general bias. Straight up, I'm dreading what the ref will do in this final."
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essmac, you posted earlier about a "" partitionist prejudice which very easily views..... Northeners in general .... as "different", "lesser", "not to be trusted" etc.""
I couldn't agree more - and while in a minority down here am hardly alone. It's been blindingly obvious in the broadcast and print media for years, less so as time goes on perhaps (but with spikes in recent times for obvious reasons). And this prejudice is reflected back in the views of the average punter and HS is hardly immune from this. Tell em' something often enough and they will believe it - it's hardly news and not unique to Ireland. I'm from the 26 by the way.

But I have to take issue with, and use as an example, your point about the Mayo Fermanagh game in 2016. McQuillan screwed Mayo that day or so it seemed to me and the home crowd - I was at the game. He seemed to deny Mayo a few obvious close in frees/penalty shouts but eventually gave a peno to O'Shea for holding/jersey tug. O'Shea went down and the peno was scored. Mayo won by 5 - handy enough.
However RTE's 4 minute highlights montage/message was that DJ robbed the better team and Mayo won by diving for a penalty. Even a week later on the sports segment of the 6.01 news they interviewed a very willing Pete McGrath standing in front of the diving board in the pool in Enniskillen. And so the legend was born.

Now I'm pretty sure you weren't at that match but are basing your views on the received wisdom.
Given this are you surprised that the majority of Southerners who have been fed a diet of tripe all their lives don't also fall for it.

timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 04/09/2021 15:53:44    2377783

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Replying To timmyhogan:  ".
essmac, you posted earlier about a "" partitionist prejudice which very easily views..... Northeners in general .... as "different", "lesser", "not to be trusted" etc.""
I couldn't agree more - and while in a minority down here am hardly alone. It's been blindingly obvious in the broadcast and print media for years, less so as time goes on perhaps (but with spikes in recent times for obvious reasons). And this prejudice is reflected back in the views of the average punter and HS is hardly immune from this. Tell em' something often enough and they will believe it - it's hardly news and not unique to Ireland. I'm from the 26 by the way.

But I have to take issue with, and use as an example, your point about the Mayo Fermanagh game in 2016. McQuillan screwed Mayo that day or so it seemed to me and the home crowd - I was at the game. He seemed to deny Mayo a few obvious close in frees/penalty shouts but eventually gave a peno to O'Shea for holding/jersey tug. O'Shea went down and the peno was scored. Mayo won by 5 - handy enough.
However RTE's 4 minute highlights montage/message was that DJ robbed the better team and Mayo won by diving for a penalty. Even a week later on the sports segment of the 6.01 news they interviewed a very willing Pete McGrath standing in front of the diving board in the pool in Enniskillen. And so the legend was born.

Now I'm pretty sure you weren't at that match but are basing your views on the received wisdom.
Given this are you surprised that the majority of Southerners who have been fed a diet of tripe all their lives don't also fall for it."
Yup, I agree, tell someone that everyone hates them enough times avd they'll believe it.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 04/09/2021 16:07:06    2377787

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Replying To supersub15:  "- - - or from Munster, Leinster and Connaught and why not, would there not be louder than loud alarm bells ringing if a referee from Connaught was appointed."
Ah, no, for me anybody but Joe. Seen him over the years and he's one of the worst refs out there and that includes college football. . Connaught ref, why not.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2298 - 04/09/2021 16:14:31    2377789

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You'd think as a fellow County man of his, I'd be on here defending Joe.

But even if he does decide to be fair (and remember he's done Mayo out of 2 all ireland finals), his refereeing style alone is enough to ruin this game as a spectacle. Too notebook happy and too slow with it."
Which 2 finals did he do Mayo out of ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 04/09/2021 16:32:52    2377794

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Replying To essmac:  "It's Tyrone you're talking about here! We have no friends in refereeing circles or in high places generally. Everybody resents us, even our neighbours in the North. You're forgetting that Cavan is in the political South. Apart maybe from one or two folks in Galway, everyone from the 26 would prefer to see Tyrone lose; and you're in complete denial if you try to claim otherwise. And nobody from Tyrone complained about a Munster referee in 1986. I guess you don't know too much about McQuillan either. I've watched him on numerous occasions down the years, and he has never once gave us a break. His display v Tyrone when we were playing Kerry in 2015 was depressing. Mayo played Fermanagh in 2016, and Joe McQ favoured the non-Ulster team throughout. My heart sank when I heard he'd been appointed. Ulster sides playing a team from any other province should insist on not being refereed by an official from Ulster. That referee will normally do the Ulster side no favours and will go out of their way to show they are not being biased. Tyrone will be playing on eggshells. The entire country wants to see Mayo win this. No ref, and certainly not mcQuillan, will be immune from that general bias. Straight up, I'm dreading what the ref will do in this final."
Now essmac (Tyrone) - it's not Tyrone I'm talking about, - you say, We have no friends in refereeing circles or in high places generally, - and rightly so neither should you have, you go further and say, - Everybody resents us, even our neighbours in the North. You're forgetting that Cavan is in the political South. Apart maybe from one or two folks in Galway, everyone from the 26 would prefer to see Tyrone lose; and you're in complete denial if you try to claim otherwise.


Opening the flood gates wont work, essmac, In a nut shell what I'm saying is, should Mayo be playing any county that represents Ulster in the All Ireland gaelic football final I would be saying the same thing, in this case Joe Mc Quillan is an inapropiate choice to referee the game.


You are correct, I don't I don't know everything about Joe Mc Quillan, but I do know enough to have a valued opinion on his refereeing skills, by your own admission you say His display v Tyrone, - when we were playing Kerry in 2015 was depressing, - that speaks for itself, to compound things, you added, - Mayo played Fermanagh in 2016, and Joe McQ favoured the non-Ulster team throughout and then you said, - My heart sank when I heard he'd been appointed
By saying, - Straight up, I'm dreading what the ref will do in this final. - you are condoning and rubber stamping what myself and the vast majority of others are saying, etc, etc.


I was in Dun Mor East listening to the All Ireland final on a hand held Walk Man transistor radio in 2008, hoping that the batteries would hold out.

PS - I was quiet happy for Tyrone and It's people with the result.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 04/09/2021 16:38:20    2377796

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Well for a start the GAA is built on tribalism and prejudice exists all around us even within Dublin never mind within Ireland, it probably even exists in smaller towns, "don't trust him he's from a bad part of town", you know what I mean."
Tribalism, prejudice and begrudgery were knitted with the same pair of needles.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 04/09/2021 16:50:27    2377797

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Already getting in the 'blame the ref' excuses

befair (Down) - Posts: 238 - 04/09/2021 19:46:38    2377819

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Replying To befair:  "Already getting in the 'blame the ref' excuses"
I know, its embarrassing.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 04/09/2021 20:14:01    2377826

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Which 2 finals did he do Mayo out of ?"
"Dublin Joe" was brilliantly psyched out of the 2012 semi final by Horan. with consequence that he let them away with piles of stuff in second half that day. I don't recall him ever having done them any harm!

Generally speaking he is good, and tends to let games flow and only intervene for dangerous play, which is what ought to be the guideline. Himself, Gough or Goldrick would have been good selections.

Least said about certain other chap the better ...

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3561 - 04/09/2021 22:08:58    2377848

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How many tickets are the Tyrone clubs getting from their county board

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 04/09/2021 23:27:31    2377855

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