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Replying To Square_B: ""The cost alone could finish the GAA"
"Whats that based on?"
"The financial reports that was done. You doing realise some counties already spend over 1 million on just the mens game? If he ladies are getting equal which they will be expected to get and deserve. You do realise the ladies games are not getting the same attendance?"
This is what you said... it's all in black & white. The cost would finish the GAA based on some mystical financial report that was done which you can't produce (conviently). And then you produced some figures that you won't tell us where you got them. Completely clueless. Your credibility is shot." So you are telling me the GAA have not done a financial review of a multi million euro merger. I've given you figures but you want me to upload the full GAA financial report onto a forum. Do you want to create a new topic because this isn't anti gaa ? Create a new topic on the merge if you want. demanding links and not addressing figures is wasting everyone's time. It's fairly obvious to everyone the GAA would have joined up already if it was as simple as you think it is and there is no financial issues to overcome.
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Replying To GreenandRed: "I disagree Square B! AKA had no credibility to begin with." That's a fair point in fairnsss, I was being kind. My bad.
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Replying To Kew: "So you are telling me the GAA have not done a financial review of a multi million euro merger. I've given you figures but you want me to upload the full GAA financial report onto a forum. Do you want to create a new topic because this isn't anti gaa ? Create a new topic on the merge if you want. demanding links and not addressing figures is wasting everyone's time. It's fairly obvious to everyone the GAA would have joined up already if it was as simple as you think it is and there is no financial issues to overcome." Nice try with the diversion. You're some joker.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1372 - 08/06/2025 20:04:17
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Replying To zinny: "And one of the major reasons for that is that men not going to the women's games but a huge amount of women support the men's game. It has nothing to do with entertainment either." I think they hit on the right idea getting rid of the skorts, I'm a huge fan of women's beach volleyball for example, I'd imagine more men watch it than women.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3246 - 08/06/2025 20:06:36
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Replying To Kew: "So you are telling me the GAA have not done a financial review of a multi million euro merger. I've given you figures but you want me to upload the full GAA financial report onto a forum. Do you want to create a new topic because this isn't anti gaa ? Create a new topic on the merge if you want. demanding links and not addressing figures is wasting everyone's time. It's fairly obvious to everyone the GAA would have joined up already if it was as simple as you think it is and there is no financial issues to overcome." The GAA financial report is for Hurling and Football. Not LGFA and Camogie, as you included. The pre-Integration work is ongoing. There's no report published for it. You just invent stuff.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8076 - 08/06/2025 20:12:50
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Replying To Square_B: "That's a fair point in fairnsss, I was being kind. My bad." You're grand!
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8076 - 08/06/2025 20:50:40
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Let them come up with proposals on how to generate those extra funds. They'll still have to govern themselves. Be it through them getting more sponsorship, naming tights for teams, finding ways of increasing attendances getting more tv live games and increasing profile that way. They can't expect to land into amalgamation with GAA and be handed loads of cash without being able to generate that cash." This goes to the nub of the whole thing.
If there was full integration between the Associations, they wouldn't "still have to govern themselves". There'd be one overarching governing body covering all codes, with everything being paid from the one pot.
And without means of bringing significant extra money into that pot, the only way to achieve equal facilities and benefits for all would be to rob Peter to pay Pauline.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2938 - 09/06/2025 10:23:15
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Replying To Viking66: "I'm sure all the players at our club will pay their subs regardless of sex. And the ladies in the Camogie and LGFA do their share of work at all our main fundraisers, and help out in numerous other ways. Some of them do way more work for the club than some of the male members." Maybe you're luckier that way than others, then. I'll tell you the situation in my own place -
Camogie & LGFA here enjoy close to 50% usage of our pitches and other facilities, without ever directly contributing a cent. They'd say "why should we? We sell Model County tickets for you, and we help with other fundraising too".
And they do - but only up to a very limited point. Examples:
- This year's Model County Draw - camogie & LGFA combined sold less than 4% of all tickets in the area.
- A fundraiser we ran last year with an eye on our next planned development - camogie & LGFA combined accounted for less than 7% of the income from it.
Yes, there are some people in those clubs who do more than most in the GAA club. Last year's fundraiser, for example - more than 90% of what they brought in was through the efforts of two people, who did great work for it. But that in turn means that just about everybody else in those two clubs literally didn't do a tap, while more than 60 "GAA people" were involved in selling tickets and doing everything else associated with it.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2938 - 09/06/2025 10:35:01
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Replying To Pikeman96: "This goes to the nub of the whole thing.
If there was full integration between the Associations, they wouldn't "still have to govern themselves". There'd be one overarching governing body covering all codes, with everything being paid from the one pot.
And without means of bringing significant extra money into that pot, the only way to achieve equal facilities and benefits for all would be to rob Peter to pay Pauline." Total GAA intercounty team expenditure was around 44 million. Croke Park generated 46 million revenue by itself, that's only a drop in the ocean compared to what the total revenue generated by all the county boards and Provincial councils and centrally generated sponsorship, advertising and fundraising. And the total spend on infrastructure which is currently shared anyway.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16285 - 09/06/2025 10:43:41
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Maybe you're luckier that way than others, then. I'll tell you the situation in my own place -
Camogie & LGFA here enjoy close to 50% usage of our pitches and other facilities, without ever directly contributing a cent. They'd say "why should we? We sell Model County tickets for you, and we help with other fundraising too".
And they do - but only up to a very limited point. Examples:
- This year's Model County Draw - camogie & LGFA combined sold less than 4% of all tickets in the area.
- A fundraiser we ran last year with an eye on our next planned development - camogie & LGFA combined accounted for less than 7% of the income from it.
Yes, there are some people in those clubs who do more than most in the GAA club. Last year's fundraiser, for example - more than 90% of what they brought in was through the efforts of two people, who did great work for it. But that in turn means that just about everybody else in those two clubs literally didn't do a tap, while more than 60 "GAA people" were involved in selling tickets and doing everything else associated with it." Wouldn't that be an issue for your club to sort out internally?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16285 - 09/06/2025 10:52:11
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Replying To Kew: "So you are telling me the GAA have not done a financial review of a multi million euro merger. I've given you figures but you want me to upload the full GAA financial report onto a forum. Do you want to create a new topic because this isn't anti gaa ? Create a new topic on the merge if you want. demanding links and not addressing figures is wasting everyone's time. It's fairly obvious to everyone the GAA would have joined up already if it was as simple as you think it is and there is no financial issues to overcome." Nobody is asking you to put the entire report up. Just post a link to the report and anyone can look through the report if they want to.
If you can't produce q link to the report then how do we know its a real report and you haven't pulled those figures out of your ****.
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Hopefully, for integration and even before that the GAA can look at opportunitues of using some more schools and college pitches for games. In most cases these pitches are idle on weekends and in as good or better condition than local club pitches. Most will be alongside school gymnasiums with good dressing room facilities which are often used midweek for other sports like basketball or indoor soccer. Could be a few quid saved for better purposes using these facilities. Not sure though is there any will from clubs or county boards to get access to these pitches or what the obstacles might be, like insurance, board of management, etc.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8076 - 09/06/2025 17:16:24
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Replying To Kew: "So you are telling me the GAA have not done a financial review of a multi million euro merger. I've given you figures but you want me to upload the full GAA financial report onto a forum. Do you want to create a new topic because this isn't anti gaa ? Create a new topic on the merge if you want. demanding links and not addressing figures is wasting everyone's time. It's fairly obvious to everyone the GAA would have joined up already if it was as simple as you think it is and there is no financial issues to overcome." Well I heard directly that the reason the join up hasn't happened yet isn't actually to do with the GAA at all. More so differences between the 2 ladies organisations.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16285 - 09/06/2025 18:18:07
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Replying To KillingFields: "Nobody is asking you to put the entire report up. Just post a link to the report and anyone can look through the report if they want to.
If you can't produce q link to the report then how do we know its a real report and you haven't pulled those figures out of your ****." So this has turned into a discussion about me providing a link to a GAA financial report. Hilarious the two of you are pretending I spent the time making up numbers the GAA have provided, just so you don't have to acknowledge the financial issues the merge has. There is no link to the gaa financial report. If you think I am making up the numbers the GAA have provided this is a waste of time. I gave the financial figures for the year but both of you won't address the figures, I can't do anymore to help the two of you.
Kew (Galway) - Posts: 199 - 09/06/2025 18:34:08
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Currently the three organisations have a combined income of €106.2m, but the breakdown shows the scale of their differing values: GAA - €96m (590k members); LGFA - €7.3m (170k); Camogie Association €2.9m (110k). Through matchday revenue, that gap widens substantially, with gate receipts showing: GAA - €33m, LGFA - €807km, Camogie Association €546km while commercial income also demonstrates a disparity: GAA - €22m, LGFA - €602k, Camogie Association - €407k.
Perhaps most notably for all three is the engagement each association appreciates from the public through broadcast and social media. In broadcast, last year's finals in each of the four sports, men's football and hurling drew almost 1.25m more viewers than the two women's finals in the 'average audience' segment: All-Ireland Football Final - 862k; All-Ireland Hurling Final - 774k; All-Ireland Ladies Football Final - 204k; All-Ireland Camogie Final - 188k. In terms of social media, the GAA has approximately 1.14m followers across its main official platforms, with LGFA engaging 134k and Camogie with 92k.
Kew (Galway) - Posts: 199 - 09/06/2025 18:38:09
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Replying To Kew: "Currently the three organisations have a combined income of €106.2m, but the breakdown shows the scale of their differing values: GAA - €96m (590k members); LGFA - €7.3m (170k); Camogie Association €2.9m (110k). Through matchday revenue, that gap widens substantially, with gate receipts showing: GAA - €33m, LGFA - €807km, Camogie Association €546km while commercial income also demonstrates a disparity: GAA - €22m, LGFA - €602k, Camogie Association - €407k.
Perhaps most notably for all three is the engagement each association appreciates from the public through broadcast and social media. In broadcast, last year's finals in each of the four sports, men's football and hurling drew almost 1.25m more viewers than the two women's finals in the 'average audience' segment: All-Ireland Football Final - 862k; All-Ireland Hurling Final - 774k; All-Ireland Ladies Football Final - 204k; All-Ireland Camogie Final - 188k. In terms of social media, the GAA has approximately 1.14m followers across its main official platforms, with LGFA engaging 134k and Camogie with 92k." The GAA report on LGFA and Camogie.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8076 - 09/06/2025 19:06:47
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Replying To Kew: "So this has turned into a discussion about me providing a link to a GAA financial report. Hilarious the two of you are pretending I spent the time making up numbers the GAA have provided, just so you don't have to acknowledge the financial issues the merge has. There is no link to the gaa financial report. If you think I am making up the numbers the GAA have provided this is a waste of time. I gave the financial figures for the year but both of you won't address the figures, I can't do anymore to help the two of you." Well you could easily be making up the figures.
Why is it so hard for you to provide a link and those figures still don't mean the female associations/players don't deserve more funding or support
A merger would also reduce duplication of roles so there would be less spend in some areas.
We are addressing the figures just we want to know where you are pulling them from. You could easily be making them up
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3778 - 09/06/2025 19:53:21
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Maybe you're luckier that way than others, then. I'll tell you the situation in my own place -
Camogie & LGFA here enjoy close to 50% usage of our pitches and other facilities, without ever directly contributing a cent. They'd say "why should we? We sell Model County tickets for you, and we help with other fundraising too".
And they do - but only up to a very limited point. Examples:
- This year's Model County Draw - camogie & LGFA combined sold less than 4% of all tickets in the area.
- A fundraiser we ran last year with an eye on our next planned development - camogie & LGFA combined accounted for less than 7% of the income from it.
Yes, there are some people in those clubs who do more than most in the GAA club. Last year's fundraiser, for example - more than 90% of what they brought in was through the efforts of two people, who did great work for it. But that in turn means that just about everybody else in those two clubs literally didn't do a tap, while more than 60 "GAA people" were involved in selling tickets and doing everything else associated with it." So your club should benefit hugely from it as they now also take joint responsibility for everything. Question for you, which club at the moment would you want your smartest and hardest working organisers?
What you hope is that post integration that is no longer a question and for the women involved in the GAA clubs at the moment i doubt it ever will be but will the same be true for the men. The idea is greater together and its up to the clubs themselves to achieve it.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2000 - 09/06/2025 20:01:43
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Replying To GreenandRed: "It's up to LGFA to go and make themselves appealing for sponsors. Sponsors won't be knocking down their doors unless they're gonna see some sort of return. If they get more return from sponsoring a mens team then why shouldn't they? Meath LGFA won two All Irelands recently and are one of the better ladies teams but their profile is low in comparison to the mens team. They don't necessarily need to chase the same sponsor for both men's and women's teams. In Mayo Elverys are the jersey sponsor for both. There's no system that's perfect but I think that Bective Stud have gotten great PR from their jersey sponsorhip of the mens team and Gordon Elliot used for some of that publicity. He sponsors Sumerhill GAA and his company name there when you visit their magnificent facilities. The jersey sponsor for the ladies is Kepak, synonomous with Sean Boylan's great All Ireland winning teams. There'll be very little chat about Meath LGFA drawing at home to Armagh this week as the men face The Kingdom. Maybe LGFA need to get some marketing people on the case if they want to get better sponsorship?" As a combined organisation they can look at it objectively, is it a one sponsor for all or is it better to divide and sell each brand separately. However your did miss the point that sponsors while they want as wide as coverage as possible, none of them are sponsoring because its men who play GAA, its their audience and they know that audience is also not only men, that is the unrecognised value that women bring to sponsorship for the GAA. Given the historical attitudes to women in the country you could say the GAA had over a 100 year start on the other organisations in the case of the LGFA it only existed 90yrs after the GAA but even in the 70s attitudes hadn't changed that much.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2000 - 09/06/2025 20:38:02
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Replying To zinny: "As a combined organisation they can look at it objectively, is it a one sponsor for all or is it better to divide and sell each brand separately. However your did miss the point that sponsors while they want as wide as coverage as possible, none of them are sponsoring because its men who play GAA, its their audience and they know that audience is also not only men, that is the unrecognised value that women bring to sponsorship for the GAA. Given the historical attitudes to women in the country you could say the GAA had over a 100 year start on the other organisations in the case of the LGFA it only existed 90yrs after the GAA but even in the 70s attitudes hadn't changed that much." I didn't mention who sponsors are targetting, male, female or both. Just that sponsors could sponsor male or female teams. In both cases their supporters, usually their target audience, are male and female. Talking about historical attitudes to women is lovely. But people involved in the LGFA, two daughters here and myself going to matches, should be forgetting about perceived attitudes and thinking about how to raise funds.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8076 - 09/06/2025 22:25:47
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