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Replying To Kew: "GAA - €96m (590k members); LGFA - €7.3m (170k); Camogie Association €2.9m (110k). Through matchday revenue, that gap widens substantially, with gate receipts showing: GAA - €33m, LGFA - €807km, Camogie Association €546km while commercial income also demonstrates a disparity: GAA - €22m, LGFA - €602k, Camogie Association - €407k." Where's 'the financial reports' that were done? Link them like a good lad. Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1372 - 07/06/2025 13:24:49 2615487 Link
Have to say I'm hugely surprised that so many normally knowledgeable folk are so naive here as to think there aren't potentially huge extra costs to be borne through what's now purely GAA income and revenue. Just taking Wexford here as an example: - last year, there was some €1.5 million spent on our inter-county hurling & football teams. - I don't know what the combined cost was for camogie & LGFA teams, but I'd be equally surprised if it was more than about €500,000. So, let's say a total of €2 million spent on inter-county sides across the codes. Now, if the women's teams were indeed to get equal treatment as the men's teams by way of backroom crew, meals at training & matches, playing gear, overnight stays, travel expenses, etc., then it's either: - pluck another €1 million out of somewhere - neither Camogie nor LGFA nor anybody else has any proposals on how to generate these extra funds, and those people are instead just eyeing up how "sure the GAA has plenty of money" - or else slash the spend on men's teams, such that it'd drop to €1 million (half of the €2 million available), leaving the other €1 million for the women's teams. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2944 - 07/06/2025 14:39:58 2615503 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Have to say I'm hugely surprised that so many normally knowledgeable folk are so naive here as to think there aren't potentially huge extra costs to be borne through what's now purely GAA income and revenue. Just taking Wexford here as an example: - last year, there was some €1.5 million spent on our inter-county hurling & football teams. - I don't know what the combined cost was for camogie & LGFA teams, but I'd be equally surprised if it was more than about €500,000. So, let's say a total of €2 million spent on inter-county sides across the codes. Now, if the women's teams were indeed to get equal treatment as the men's teams by way of backroom crew, meals at training & matches, playing gear, overnight stays, travel expenses, etc., then it's either: - pluck another €1 million out of somewhere - neither Camogie nor LGFA nor anybody else has any proposals on how to generate these extra funds, and those people are instead just eyeing up how "sure the GAA has plenty of money" - or else slash the spend on men's teams, such that it'd drop to €1 million (half of the €2 million available), leaving the other €1 million for the women's teams." Why would all teams cost the same when the lengths of seasons, competitions, number of games and most importantly gate receipts are all different? For example we don't spend the same on our adults and minors currently as it is. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16292 - 07/06/2025 15:29:02 2615516 Link
Replying To Square_B: "Where's 'the financial reports' that were done? Link them like a good lad." It's a report why are you asking for a link as if it some website ? Kew (Galway) - Posts: 199 - 07/06/2025 15:51:48 2615530 Link
Replying To Kew: "The financial reports that was done. You doing realise some counties already spend over 1 million on just the mens game? If he ladies are getting equal which they will be expected to get and deserve. You do realise the ladies games are not getting the same attendance?" And one of the major reasons for that is that men not going to the women's games but a huge amount of women support the men's game. It has nothing to do with entertainment either. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2000 - 07/06/2025 15:55:18 2615533 Link
Replying To Kew: "It's a report why are you asking for a link as if it some website ?" Imagine a report being on the Internet! Show us where we can find the report that you're talking about. It's a fairly simple request. Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1372 - 07/06/2025 16:09:29 2615541 Link
Replying To Kew: "GAA - €96m (590k members); LGFA - €7.3m (170k); Camogie Association €2.9m (110k). Through matchday revenue, that gap widens substantially, with gate receipts showing: GAA - €33m, LGFA - €807km, Camogie Association €546km while commercial income also demonstrates a disparity: GAA - €22m, LGFA - €602k, Camogie Association - €407k." Link them. Where you getting these figures from. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3780 - 07/06/2025 16:12:53 2615544 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Why would all teams cost the same when the lengths of seasons, competitions, number of games and most importantly gate receipts are all different? For example we don't spend the same on our adults and minors currently as it is." Count all the competitions entered by Wexford camogie & LGFA teams each year, tot up the number of matches played, and look at how long from start to finish, and you'll see they're not that different at all. As regards difference in gate receipts (and indeed, other revenue) - that goes to the heart of the issue. There's no suggestion that expenditure on teams should be linked to revenue - i.e. if the male teams bring in five times the revenue, they get five times the money spent on them. Those seeking equality in facilities, benefits, etc., for all codes want those things made available and somehow for in respect of all codes, no matter how much or how little that code brings in itself. And nor is anybody claiming we spend the same on our minor GAA teams as we do on our seniors. The point is that last year, some €1.5 million was spent in total on Wexford minor, U20 and senior GAA teams. To make all the same things available to all camogie & LGFA squads would cost approximately the same. Possibly even more, when you consider those codes have official All-Ireland Championships at U16 level too. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2944 - 07/06/2025 17:48:20 2615572 Link
Replying To KillingFields: "Link them. Where you getting these figures from." What is with you two? Keep going on about links to reports that I already said can't be uploaded. These figures can be found easily online for anyone but you still shout links instead of looking at the obvious numbers I shared. Anyone can look at them figures and see that problem. Kew (Galway) - Posts: 199 - 07/06/2025 18:37:35 2615578 Link
Replying To Square_B: "Imagine a report being on the Internet! Show us where we can find the report that you're talking about. It's a fairly simple request." The report is not online how many times do I have to tell you? Shouting about links when figures have been given to you isnt fooling anyone. The number are right there you can address them if you want or keep avoiding it shouting about links. Kew (Galway) - Posts: 199 - 07/06/2025 18:44:14 2615580 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Have to say I'm hugely surprised that so many normally knowledgeable folk are so naive here as to think there aren't potentially huge extra costs to be borne through what's now purely GAA income and revenue. Just taking Wexford here as an example: - last year, there was some €1.5 million spent on our inter-county hurling & football teams. - I don't know what the combined cost was for camogie & LGFA teams, but I'd be equally surprised if it was more than about €500,000. So, let's say a total of €2 million spent on inter-county sides across the codes. Now, if the women's teams were indeed to get equal treatment as the men's teams by way of backroom crew, meals at training & matches, playing gear, overnight stays, travel expenses, etc., then it's either: - pluck another €1 million out of somewhere - neither Camogie nor LGFA nor anybody else has any proposals on how to generate these extra funds, and those people are instead just eyeing up how "sure the GAA has plenty of money" - or else slash the spend on men's teams, such that it'd drop to €1 million (half of the €2 million available), leaving the other €1 million for the women's teams." Let them come up with proposals on how to generate those extra funds. They'll still have to govern themselves. Be it through them getting more sponsorship, naming tights for teams, finding ways of increasing attendances getting more tv live games and increasing profile that way. They can't expect to land into amalgamation with GAA and be handed loads of cash without being able to generate that cash. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8076 - 07/06/2025 18:51:24 2615582 Link
Replying To Kew: "The report is not online how many times do I have to tell you? Shouting about links when figures have been given to you isnt fooling anyone. The number are right there you can address them if you want or keep avoiding it shouting about links." All you've done is thrown out a few figures. So what. And figures without any real context. Show us where the figures are so. Your credibility depends on it. And apparently, there's 'financial reports' on how the cost is going to 'finish the GAA'. Your words not mine. I'd bet my house there's no report on how the cost will 'finish the GAA'. Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1372 - 07/06/2025 21:06:46 2615606 Link
Replying To Kew: "The report is not online how many times do I have to tell you? Shouting about links when figures have been given to you isnt fooling anyone. The number are right there you can address them if you want or keep avoiding it shouting about links." Where did you get them then? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16292 - 07/06/2025 22:32:59 2615644 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Let them come up with proposals on how to generate those extra funds. They'll still have to govern themselves. Be it through them getting more sponsorship, naming tights for teams, finding ways of increasing attendances getting more tv live games and increasing profile that way. They can't expect to land into amalgamation with GAA and be handed loads of cash without being able to generate that cash." I'm sure all the players at our club will pay their subs regardless of sex. And the ladies in the Camogie and LGFA do their share of work at all our main fundraisers, and help out in numerous other ways. Some of them do way more work for the club than some of the male members. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16292 - 08/06/2025 08:53:01 2615686 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Let them come up with proposals on how to generate those extra funds. They'll still have to govern themselves. Be it through them getting more sponsorship, naming tights for teams, finding ways of increasing attendances getting more tv live games and increasing profile that way. They can't expect to land into amalgamation with GAA and be handed loads of cash without being able to generate that cash." Name one sponsored of any GAA team that is focused exclusively on men as their audience? Let's see if the major sponsors of teams come out and say that the money they give should only be used for male game? Do you think it will happen? zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2000 - 08/06/2025 11:53:17 2615721 Link
Replying To zinny: "Name one sponsored of any GAA team that is focused exclusively on men as their audience? Let's see if the major sponsors of teams come out and say that the money they give should only be used for male game? Do you think it will happen?" It's up to LGFA to go and make themselves appealing for sponsors. Sponsors won't be knocking down their doors unless they're gonna see some sort of return. If they get more return from sponsoring a mens team then why shouldn't they? Meath LGFA won two All Irelands recently and are one of the better ladies teams but their profile is low in comparison to the mens team. They don't necessarily need to chase the same sponsor for both men's and women's teams. In Mayo Elverys are the jersey sponsor for both. There's no system that's perfect but I think that Bective Stud have gotten great PR from their jersey sponsorhip of the mens team and Gordon Elliot used for some of that publicity. He sponsors Sumerhill GAA and his company name there when you visit their magnificent facilities. The jersey sponsor for the ladies is Kepak, synonomous with Sean Boylan's great All Ireland winning teams. There'll be very little chat about Meath LGFA drawing at home to Armagh this week as the men face The Kingdom. Maybe LGFA need to get some marketing people on the case if they want to get better sponsorship? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8076 - 08/06/2025 12:53:14 2615727 Link
Replying To Square_B: "All you've done is thrown out a few figures. So what. And figures without any real context. Show us where the figures are so. Your credibility depends on it. And apparently, there's 'financial reports' on how the cost is going to 'finish the GAA'. Your words not mine. I'd bet my house there's no report on how the cost will 'finish the GAA'." I said it would finish the GAA not the report. How are you finding it hard to understand? The financial reports outlined the need for extra incoming to merge the organisations. The numbers are clear I don't know why you keep expecting me to convert a report for you online so you can get a link. Kew (Galway) - Posts: 199 - 08/06/2025 13:29:41 2615729 Link
Replying To Kew: "I said it would finish the GAA not the report. How are you finding it hard to understand? The financial reports outlined the need for extra incoming to merge the organisations. The numbers are clear I don't know why you keep expecting me to convert a report for you online so you can get a link." The 'report'. A factual report on a future event. Great stuff. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8076 - 08/06/2025 17:39:08 2615808 Link
Replying To Kew: "I said it would finish the GAA not the report. How are you finding it hard to understand? The financial reports outlined the need for extra incoming to merge the organisations. The numbers are clear I don't know why you keep expecting me to convert a report for you online so you can get a link." "The cost alone could finish the GAA" "Whats that based on?" "The financial reports that was done. You doing realise some counties already spend over 1 million on just the mens game? If he ladies are getting equal which they will be expected to get and deserve. You do realise the ladies games are not getting the same attendance?" This is what you said... it's all in black & white. The cost would finish the GAA based on some mystical financial report that was done which you can't produce (conviently). And then you produced some figures that you won't tell us where you got them. Completely clueless. Your credibility is shot. Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1372 - 08/06/2025 18:26:06 2615829 Link
Replying To Square_B: ""The cost alone could finish the GAA" "Whats that based on?" "The financial reports that was done. You doing realise some counties already spend over 1 million on just the mens game? If he ladies are getting equal which they will be expected to get and deserve. You do realise the ladies games are not getting the same attendance?" This is what you said... it's all in black & white. The cost would finish the GAA based on some mystical financial report that was done which you can't produce (conviently). And then you produced some figures that you won't tell us where you got them. Completely clueless. Your credibility is shot." I disagree Square B! AKA had no credibility to begin with. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8076 - 08/06/2025 19:21:58 2615861 Link