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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "True but don't you know they'll get the players to sign a disclaimer Trump, the gaa won't be caught out like that.
Even horan said today that they'll do their best to squeeze in the 2020 championship even if that's next year, he said there was a great hunger for it from the fans but really what he's saying is they want a double payday next year." I fully agree with you but when I said potential lawsuit I mean from someone that is NOT a player. Someone attending a match, maybe a player's neighbor, a players family member, a players co-worker, etc. I'm sure they'll account for all these things if they were to attempt to salvage the season.
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "True but don't you know they'll get the players to sign a disclaimer Trump, the gaa won't be caught out like that.
Even horan said today that they'll do their best to squeeze in the 2020 championship even if that's next year, he said there was a great hunger for it from the fans but really what he's saying is they want a double payday next year." Amateur players won't sign a disclaimer and why should they? It's not their livelihood. Professional sportspeople shouldn't be forced to sign any disclaimers before a possible return to play either. They should have an opt out with zero repurcussions. There could be multiple waves of Covid19. Clubs or the leagues or governing bodies should be liable for huge sums if anyone becomes seriously ill or dies.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8160 - 28/04/2020 00:46:32
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Replying To Trump2020: "I fully agree with you but when I said potential lawsuit I mean from someone that is NOT a player. Someone attending a match, maybe a player's neighbor, a players family member, a players co-worker, etc. I'm sure they'll account for all these things if they were to attempt to salvage the season." True I never looked beyond the players in this.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 28/04/2020 07:51:48
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Amateur players won't sign a disclaimer and why should they? It's not their livelihood. Professional sportspeople shouldn't be forced to sign any disclaimers before a possible return to play either. They should have an opt out with zero repurcussions. There could be multiple waves of Covid19. Clubs or the leagues or governing bodies should be liable for huge sums if anyone becomes seriously ill or dies." I agree with 100% Green and red.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 28/04/2020 07:52:31
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There is an alarming under appreciation for the impact of the current hiatus on the mental health of our young population - players and non-players. And the silence is deafening aside from some great coverage by RorysStories!
We witnessed a number of sad incidents at the weekend around the country, none of which will be registered as C-19 related. Are their deaths any less relevant than official C-19 related deaths?
While people debate the pros and cons of getting our games back, all the contention relates to the direct health impacts of such measures on C-19 transmissions. But the debate is bloody silent on the impact of non-play on the mental health of some younger players. For many players, the Gaa was their outlet from the real world and that outlet is not shut. A return to action on the pitch is a very delicate matter but the health considerations should not simply focus on C-19 transmissions but rather the far reaching consequences of no games.
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I agree with 100% Green and red." Sorry that should say I agree with you 100% Green and red.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 28/04/2020 08:53:29
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Replying To GerryD: "There is an alarming under appreciation for the impact of the current hiatus on the mental health of our young population - players and non-players. And the silence is deafening aside from some great coverage by RorysStories!
We witnessed a number of sad incidents at the weekend around the country, none of which will be registered as C-19 related. Are their deaths any less relevant than official C-19 related deaths?
While people debate the pros and cons of getting our games back, all the contention relates to the direct health impacts of such measures on C-19 transmissions. But the debate is bloody silent on the impact of non-play on the mental health of some younger players. For many players, the Gaa was their outlet from the real world and that outlet is not shut. A return to action on the pitch is a very delicate matter but the health considerations should not simply focus on C-19 transmissions but rather the far reaching consequences of no games." The deaths in Cavan last week are truly heartbreaking. I agree on the mental health side on the effects of living in this new "norm"
The fact is though no on field GAA action will take place until it's safe to do so.
I would remind everyone to reach out to teammates and friends. It does not have to be in a zoom or group chat discussion. I know personally I would be in contact with close friends almost daily but have made it my business to contact lads on the team and in the club I wouldn't normally contact just to see how they are getting on....never underestimate the power of a simple call or text to someone.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11683 - 28/04/2020 09:30:30
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Lads we need to get real here. If the GAA are saying county football can't go ahead, even behind closed doors then how exactly will club activity be any different? It's the same sport if I'm not mistaken so the risk associated with close contact exists no matter what level of football/hurling we're talking about.
Also, it is my firm belief after watching events unfold over the last number of weeks that we have gone absolutely soft as a country. This is an international emergency affecting all of mankind. Yes of course having some sport to look forward to would be a morale booster for the country. But I would counter that by saying your morale should be boosted by the fact that we can still go outside (per restrictions), we have all the food and water we need and please God none of our families will suffer bereavement at the hands of the virus. Hopefully, it won't be too long before the majority can safely return to work. Sport just isn't in the top bracket of priorities.
We're being asked to adhere to a few simple rules, not go to the front line to face bullets and bombs. We all love our sports but a bit of pragmatism is badly needed.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9878 - 28/04/2020 09:32:39
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Replying To Trump2020: "I fully agree with you but when I said potential lawsuit I mean from someone that is NOT a player. Someone attending a match, maybe a player's neighbor, a players family member, a players co-worker, etc. I'm sure they'll account for all these things if they were to attempt to salvage the season." Would there be a potential lawsuit from the neighbours or family of someone who gets the virus on the luas a train or bus or working in a large factory or construction site?
theyoungbuck89 (Galway) - Posts: 59 - 28/04/2020 09:56:38
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Replying To GreenandRed: "The real expert posters are quarantined on Journal.ie Blaming everyone and anything for the world's woes and never a constructive alternative to suggest. That's a special kind of circus that them clowns live in." Thanks for the warning...
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 28/04/2020 11:11:47
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Replying To Onion Breath: " Replying To Morty: "[quote=Onion Breath: "The GAA hierarchy are making fools of themselves at this stage. Week after week since this started they've had someone giving interviews on national media where they've openly speculated, in response to obvious questions, about different options and plan A dates and if that doesn't work out we'd look at plan B dates etc etc. Living in cloud cuckoo land they are. Their motivation of course is to get turnstiles moving again i.e. the loss of money is killing them.
Now the president has had to go on national radio denying a story about putative plans for inter county teams to return training. They need to show leadership and put an end to all this. A statement is needed that all GAA activity, club, county, Scor the whole lot of it, is suspended until the end of 2020 in the national interest. The association will review the situation in early 2021 having regard to public health advice at that time. And leave it at that.
And to hell with what any professional sport might do in the meantime, and individual sports like tennis or golf. If professional rugby or soccer resume in some limited form for commercial reasons let them at it. It won't apply to amateur rugby or amateur soccer as they're in the same boat as GAA so it's not as if the local GAA club will lose out on players going off playing local soccer etc. This reflects the reality. Whatever about 2021, no amateur team sport can be played in Ireland this year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not listening to what the public health experts are saying every single day." I really don't mean to be flippant but which public health experts are saying amateur sport should be banned until 2021?"
What they are all saying the world over is that social distancing will remain a feature of life until a vaccine is found (that's 12 to 18 months away at best).
How can you play any team sport applying a two metre rule? Only if the two metre rule doesn't apply. How can that work? Only if players are rigorously tested and isolated from family etc for days on end before and after matches. Only professional sport can contemplate and fund that and with a high risk appetite which no amateur player or organisation could tolerate.
Hence no GAA until maybe sometime in 2021, maybe not even then, maybe 2022. For now though it's enough to suspend all GAA activity until the end of 2020 and in doing so GAA officials can stop making fools out of themselves."]How are they making fools of themselves? We're 4 months in to an evolving situation with no precedent for what's going to happen. Demanding the GAA announce they're cancelling all activity for 2020 is rash. I agree it seems unlikely, but who knows?
You're adamant the public health experts are telling us it definitely won't happen but in the very next breath you're admitting you're inferring that- it's your interpretation. This will be a step by step process. People who think they know where we'll be in 6 months are guessing.
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Replying To roundball: " Replying To Onion Breath: "[quote=Morty: "[quote=Onion Breath: "The GAA hierarchy are making fools of themselves at this stage. Week after week since this started they've had someone giving interviews on national media where they've openly speculated, in response to obvious questions, about different options and plan A dates and if that doesn't work out we'd look at plan B dates etc etc. Living in cloud cuckoo land they are. Their motivation of course is to get turnstiles moving again i.e. the loss of money is killing them.
Now the president has had to go on national radio denying a story about putative plans for inter county teams to return training. They need to show leadership and put an end to all this. A statement is needed that all GAA activity, club, county, Scor the whole lot of it, is suspended until the end of 2020 in the national interest. The association will review the situation in early 2021 having regard to public health advice at that time. And leave it at that.
And to hell with what any professional sport might do in the meantime, and individual sports like tennis or golf. If professional rugby or soccer resume in some limited form for commercial reasons let them at it. It won't apply to amateur rugby or amateur soccer as they're in the same boat as GAA so it's not as if the local GAA club will lose out on players going off playing local soccer etc. This reflects the reality. Whatever about 2021, no amateur team sport can be played in Ireland this year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not listening to what the public health experts are saying every single day." I really don't mean to be flippant but which public health experts are saying amateur sport should be banned until 2021?"
What they are all saying the world over is that social distancing will remain a feature of life until a vaccine is found (that's 12 to 18 months away at best).
How can you play any team sport applying a two metre rule? Only if the two metre rule doesn't apply. How can that work? Only if players are rigorously tested and isolated from family etc for days on end before and after matches. Only professional sport can contemplate and fund that and with a high risk appetite which no amateur player or organisation could tolerate.
Hence no GAA until maybe sometime in 2021, maybe not even then, maybe 2022. For now though it's enough to suspend all GAA activity until the end of 2020 and in doing so GAA officials can stop making fools out of themselves."]How are they making fools of themselves? We're 4 months in to an evolving situation with no precedent for what's going to happen. Demanding the GAA announce they're cancelling all activity for 2020 is rash. I agree it seems unlikely, but who knows?
You're adamant the public health experts are telling us it definitely won't happen but in the very next breath you're admitting you're inferring that- it's your interpretation. This will be a step by step process. People who think they know where we'll be in 6 months are guessing."]Quote: ''People who think they know where we'll be in 6 months are guessing.". That fact has always been the case and long before coronavirus arrived. I guess that there may be club activity before year end, but it is only a guess. A lot of county matches that I watch include social distancing with all the back / side passing! and AI had it share also.
Keep safe
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Could the corona virus give us a chance to go back to football the way it used to played in the old days ( catch and kick) where everyone had their own sector of the pitch with only the midfielders given the licence to roam?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 28/04/2020 14:01:41
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Another thing, why is it up to the GAA to make some grand statement? I don't hear the FAI or the IRFU being called out to make a public statement. I'm sure there are many thousands of amateur soccer players all over the country wondering when they can train and play matches too.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9878 - 28/04/2020 14:11:17
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Could the corona virus give us a chance to go back to football the way it used to played in the old days ( catch and kick) where everyone had their own sector of the pitch with only the midfielders given the licence to roam?" As long as the midfielders are in full PPE. Bunny suits, masks, gloves, goggles and the ref wipes down the ball every break in play. Tag GAA, with 2.5 metre tags.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8160 - 28/04/2020 14:11:37
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Just saw an interesting post on FB regarding season tickets terms and conditions. 1 version before Christmas and an amended version from March this year. Guess what? the amended version specifically said no refunds for pandemics!
A couple of important points:
1. I don't know if this is real or someone just stirring up trouble and doctoring a word doc
2. In this unprecedented situation I would have no problem not getting a refund, a gesture on next years tickets would have been nice. Lots of clubs are going to be faced with similar problems of potentially refunding memberships etc
If True: What really annoys me is the way the story was put out that this was in the terms and conditions and there is nothing that can be done. It is very underhand. I think most people would have shown goodwill and not demanded refunds but if you are one of the unlucky people (and there are many) that has been unexpectedly made unemployed that refund may have been very important for you.
I hate to be bashing the GAA because we are all the GAA and 99.999% of the time it does so much good. But it is the sneaky things that are done, have been done locally and nationally that we all remember that brings the whole lot of us into disrepute. An own goal if ever there was one.
I hope the post is a fake and I just look like a ranting fool!
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Replying To theyoungbuck89: "Would there be a potential lawsuit from the neighbours or family of someone who gets the virus on the luas a train or bus or working in a large factory or construction site?" Depends on what the country standard is at the time. Hard to compare an essential worker on a train to someone playing a non essential sport. I've heard about very far fetched lawsuits though so anything is possible.
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Another thing, why is it up to the GAA to make some grand statement? I don't hear the FAI or the IRFU being called out to make a public statement. I'm sure there are many thousands of amateur soccer players all over the country wondering when they can train and play matches too." Irfu already cancelled all domestic rugby for this season which to be fair is close to finishing. All competitions not already complete were ended with competitions that were already at finals would see trophies shared while if not at a final then the competitions would finish incomplete for this season.
Irfu already made statements on this
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3789 - 28/04/2020 14:47:37
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Replying To KillingFields: "Irfu already cancelled all domestic rugby for this season which to be fair is close to finishing. All competitions not already complete were ended with competitions that were already at finals would see trophies shared while if not at a final then the competitions would finish incomplete for this season.
Irfu already made statements on this" Good stuff. I hadn't seen that.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9878 - 28/04/2020 14:52:18
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Replying To Mayonman: "Just saw an interesting post on FB regarding season tickets terms and conditions. 1 version before Christmas and an amended version from March this year. Guess what? the amended version specifically said no refunds for pandemics!
A couple of important points:
1. I don't know if this is real or someone just stirring up trouble and doctoring a word doc
2. In this unprecedented situation I would have no problem not getting a refund, a gesture on next years tickets would have been nice. Lots of clubs are going to be faced with similar problems of potentially refunding memberships etc
If True: What really annoys me is the way the story was put out that this was in the terms and conditions and there is nothing that can be done. It is very underhand. I think most people would have shown goodwill and not demanded refunds but if you are one of the unlucky people (and there are many) that has been unexpectedly made unemployed that refund may have been very important for you.
I hate to be bashing the GAA because we are all the GAA and 99.999% of the time it does so much good. But it is the sneaky things that are done, have been done locally and nationally that we all remember that brings the whole lot of us into disrepute. An own goal if ever there was one.
I hope the post is a fake and I just look like a ranting fool!" Yeah I agree with you. I hope it's fake information. The sneakiness bothers me.
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