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Replying To zinny: "Its hard to see the road when you are in a fog and for a lot of people that's the way things are when it comes to playing the GAA again. We have to look beyond the current circumstances and ask ourselves what would things look like in the next couple of months and then what changes or risks we would be willing to accept in order to get some things back up and running - not back to normal but back up and running. The GAA is no different to making decisions about going back to work or getting on the bus or train. Some people will never accept the risks and that's their choice but others will with the knowledge that they believe they are doing something which poses an acceptable risk to the authorities and themselves.
From the very beginning the lockdown was brought in to try and control the situation. The virus had got to wide and far in the community and identify, trace and isolate would just not work. However as we get beyond the lockdown phase what is next, the key to all of it is still, identify, trace and isolate. Community spread is still the big risk and unfortunately while we get the overall % on these and we don't see what's happening on a daily basis. We are slowly getting to the point where all people with symptoms may be tested, the flu season is over which naturally will also reduce people with symptoms (lets hope everyone gets the flu shot this year), so we hopefully will get to the point where identification and isolation will eventually keep it under control. In this situation you could see club activity resume first followed by intercounty. However for this to be successful people have to accept that changes have to happen. For a club it would mean that everyone entering the grounds would have to have their name and temperature taken, directed to wash their hands straight away, dressing rooms would be closed, bathrooms kept hygienic and constantly cleaned (the state of some would be pretty rough in a lot of clubs - up to the club of course if they want them open). Time slots for training strictly adhered to and people leave directly after and not hang around for to watch other slots (people should record the time they leave for their own records). Anyone not participating should wear a facemask. All of these of course do not eliminate the risk but what it does is limits the impact of infecting others and hence the impact. I wrote before about what changes would need to happen on the field which some though were mad and if they had to be followed the games would never happen - its odd that some cannot accept that the games could go ahead again and some cannot accept that to go ahead, things have to change. The simplest thing, shaking hands with another player - why because now it's on you hands and you are constantly touching you face. The virus doesn't get absorbed through the skin or seep out when you are sweating; it comes from your, mouth nose. Think about it hand to face to hand to face! Verbal's with the other players is a great way to pick it up; perhaps the rules for verbal's or handbags need to be stricter?
Not every player on the pitch would be a close contact (county players could have their GPS modified to track who actually is during a game) but shaking hands after or before the game will make you one. Being a close contact also doesn't mean you will get it even if you are marking the player - there has obviously been no studies but we have to look at it logically as well and think how do we get it and how can we eliminate if possible the chances of it happening. I would think that the biggest issue on the pitch, would as I said, would be player behavior that has noting to do with playing the game however the lads we know that mouth off on the pitch - do you think they will stop because of this? The hardest thing to change is human behavior but it's the most effective change that needs to be made. Perhaps it may usher in a new respect for referees and the opposing players - some good may come out of it yet!
I haven't said anything about spectators but that's another day's work." I presume you haven't read the research showing it can be spread just by breathing then? Put simply, if you're marking a man for and he has it, you will catch it.
The truth is pretty simple: the season can of course go ahead! You just have to play it without crowds and without the following players & officials: anyone with any sort of underlying health issue, anyone with close contact with somebody with an underlying issue, anyone with contact with elderly relatives, anyone with potential contact with coworkers or clients in any of these categories (this would include teachers, health workers etc), anyone who smokes heavily, anyone in contact with heavy smokers, and anyone in contact with anyone in contact with anyone in any of these groups. Once you exclude these people (and probably many others that I'm forgetting), then you just have to exclude anyone who doesn't feel like risking their lives to play an amateur sport.. Don't worry though, i'm sure we'll have a great championship with the 0.5% of players that might be left after all of these exclusions.
Time to get real lads, unless there's a vaccine (or an extremely effective treatment) found, or we get a cheap test with a ~fifteen minute turnaround, the GAA season is dead in the water.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "There's no need for any training, this virus is highly contagious. If you don't know that where have you been for the last 4 months?
As for testing before games, when before? At least a week I'd say to allow for the results. If one player tested positive than anyone who has been in contact with them (club players, officials, family, work colleagues, opposition players from the previous week's game etc. will have to isolate for at least a week, probably two. That means none of them can go to work. Remember, these are amatuers play, most will have jobs to think about, and bills to pay. You can't cocoon them for weeks on end. Besides, if 30 men or women can run around on a pitch together, puffing and panting, grabbing each other; why can't I or anyone else sit in a pub and have a pint or two?" Cockney Cat
My point is that people confidently speculating about the endgame here when most of them haven't given two thoughts to viruses since their Leaving Cert Biology exam is worse than useless.
You don't know what's going to happen. End of. If you're a consultant virologist you could take a stab but even then it's just an educated guess.
The GAA's policy on returning to play will not be dictated by Twitter or the boards of Hoganstand. And God love us all if it is.
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John Horan speaking to on RTE radio 1 dismissed any notion of Gaa County teams returning to training later in the summer.
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Replying To roundball: "Cockney Cat
My point is that people confidently speculating about the endgame here when most of them haven't given two thoughts to viruses since their Leaving Cert Biology exam is worse than useless.
You don't know what's going to happen. End of. If you're a consultant virologist you could take a stab but even then it's just an educated guess.
The GAA's policy on returning to play will not be dictated by Twitter or the boards of Hoganstand. And God love us all if it is." agreed 100%, people on the 27th of april writing off the season is ridiculous...everyone is an expert on covid 19 all of a sudden.. agreed at the moment the season ahead doesnt look to have much chance of going ahead, but who knows what way things will be on the 1st of august or september. i'm only guessing but my thinking is that even the top health people are not sure how things will be in 5 months time.....yet theres professers and doctors coming on here telling us that next year is most likely gone aswell.
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Replying To munsterchamps: "agreed 100%, people on the 27th of april writing off the season is ridiculous...everyone is an expert on covid 19 all of a sudden.. agreed at the moment the season ahead doesnt look to have much chance of going ahead, but who knows what way things will be on the 1st of august or september. i'm only guessing but my thinking is that even the top health people are not sure how things will be in 5 months time.....yet theres professers and doctors coming on here telling us that next year is most likely gone aswell." Exactly. To paraphrase Andrew Cuomo in NY- all speculation to date, optimistic or pessimistic, has been wrong.
I don't mind posters like zinny speculating about what we might need to do when we do go back. I don't agree with everything he says but I understand where he's coming from and he's being constructive.
However lads making confident assertions (and it is always lads by the way) are not helping. Think they forget that there are a lot of people who's livelihoods depend on sport as well, no need to drive up their anxiety with idle speculation right now.
When it's safe to play again, we'll be playing again. It might be soon, it might be a long way off yet.
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Replying To FoolsGold: "John Horan speaking to on RTE radio 1 dismissed any notion of Gaa County teams returning to training later in the summer." John horan is completely wrong.
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "John horan is completely wrong." says who?
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 3001 - 27/04/2020 14:42:07
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "John horan is completely wrong." OK thanks for that Simon Harris.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2894 - 27/04/2020 15:04:40
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The GAA hierarchy are making fools of themselves at this stage. Week after week since this started they've had someone giving interviews on national media where they've openly speculated, in response to obvious questions, about different options and plan A dates and if that doesn't work out we'd look at plan B dates etc etc. Living in cloud cuckoo land they are. Their motivation of course is to get turnstiles moving again i.e. the loss of money is killing them.
Now the president has had to go on national radio denying a story about putative plans for inter county teams to return training. They need to show leadership and put an end to all this. A statement is needed that all GAA activity, club, county, Scor the whole lot of it, is suspended until the end of 2020 in the national interest. The association will review the situation in early 2021 having regard to public health advice at that time. And leave it at that.
And to hell with what any professional sport might do in the meantime, and individual sports like tennis or golf. If professional rugby or soccer resume in some limited form for commercial reasons let them at it. It won't apply to amateur rugby or amateur soccer as they're in the same boat as GAA so it's not as if the local GAA club will lose out on players going off playing local soccer etc. This reflects the reality. Whatever about 2021, no amateur team sport can be played in Ireland this year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not listening to what the public health experts are saying every single day.
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Replying To Onion Breath: "The GAA hierarchy are making fools of themselves at this stage. Week after week since this started they've had someone giving interviews on national media where they've openly speculated, in response to obvious questions, about different options and plan A dates and if that doesn't work out we'd look at plan B dates etc etc. Living in cloud cuckoo land they are. Their motivation of course is to get turnstiles moving again i.e. the loss of money is killing them.
Now the president has had to go on national radio denying a story about putative plans for inter county teams to return training. They need to show leadership and put an end to all this. A statement is needed that all GAA activity, club, county, Scor the whole lot of it, is suspended until the end of 2020 in the national interest. The association will review the situation in early 2021 having regard to public health advice at that time. And leave it at that.
And to hell with what any professional sport might do in the meantime, and individual sports like tennis or golf. If professional rugby or soccer resume in some limited form for commercial reasons let them at it. It won't apply to amateur rugby or amateur soccer as they're in the same boat as GAA so it's not as if the local GAA club will lose out on players going off playing local soccer etc. This reflects the reality. Whatever about 2021, no amateur team sport can be played in Ireland this year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not listening to what the public health experts are saying every single day." I really don't mean to be flippant but which public health experts are saying amateur sport should be banned until 2021?
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Replying To roundball: "Cockney Cat
My point is that people confidently speculating about the endgame here when most of them haven't given two thoughts to viruses since their Leaving Cert Biology exam is worse than useless.
You don't know what's going to happen. End of. If you're a consultant virologist you could take a stab but even then it's just an educated guess.
The GAA's policy on returning to play will not be dictated by Twitter or the boards of Hoganstand. And God love us all if it is." The real expert posters are quarantined on Journal.ie Blaming everyone and anything for the world's woes and never a constructive alternative to suggest. That's a special kind of circus that them clowns live in.
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "says who?" Says I.
The gaa are money hungry and without a doubt they will push a championship into the 2020 calendar.
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Hard to predict. Maybe they can arrange a shorter KO championship for this year starting late summer but I would be doubtful. Trying to keep players motivated and prepared must be a nightmare.
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Replying To Morty: " Replying To Onion Breath: "The GAA hierarchy are making fools of themselves at this stage. Week after week since this started they've had someone giving interviews on national media where they've openly speculated, in response to obvious questions, about different options and plan A dates and if that doesn't work out we'd look at plan B dates etc etc. Living in cloud cuckoo land they are. Their motivation of course is to get turnstiles moving again i.e. the loss of money is killing them.
Now the president has had to go on national radio denying a story about putative plans for inter county teams to return training. They need to show leadership and put an end to all this. A statement is needed that all GAA activity, club, county, Scor the whole lot of it, is suspended until the end of 2020 in the national interest. The association will review the situation in early 2021 having regard to public health advice at that time. And leave it at that.
And to hell with what any professional sport might do in the meantime, and individual sports like tennis or golf. If professional rugby or soccer resume in some limited form for commercial reasons let them at it. It won't apply to amateur rugby or amateur soccer as they're in the same boat as GAA so it's not as if the local GAA club will lose out on players going off playing local soccer etc. This reflects the reality. Whatever about 2021, no amateur team sport can be played in Ireland this year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not listening to what the public health experts are saying every single day." I really don't mean to be flippant but which public health experts are saying amateur sport should be banned until 2021?"
What they are all saying the world over is that social distancing will remain a feature of life until a vaccine is found (that's 12 to 18 months away at best).
How can you play any team sport applying a two metre rule? Only if the two metre rule doesn't apply. How can that work? Only if players are rigorously tested and isolated from family etc for days on end before and after matches. Only professional sport can contemplate and fund that and with a high risk appetite which no amateur player or organisation could tolerate.
Hence no GAA until maybe sometime in 2021, maybe not even then, maybe 2022. For now though it's enough to suspend all GAA activity until the end of 2020 and in doing so GAA officials can stop making fools out of themselves.
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Replying To Morty: " Replying To Onion Breath: "The GAA hierarchy are making fools of themselves at this stage. Week after week since this started they've had someone giving interviews on national media where they've openly speculated, in response to obvious questions, about different options and plan A dates and if that doesn't work out we'd look at plan B dates etc etc. Living in cloud cuckoo land they are. Their motivation of course is to get turnstiles moving again i.e. the loss of money is killing them.
Now the president has had to go on national radio denying a story about putative plans for inter county teams to return training. They need to show leadership and put an end to all this. A statement is needed that all GAA activity, club, county, Scor the whole lot of it, is suspended until the end of 2020 in the national interest. The association will review the situation in early 2021 having regard to public health advice at that time. And leave it at that.
And to hell with what any professional sport might do in the meantime, and individual sports like tennis or golf. If professional rugby or soccer resume in some limited form for commercial reasons let them at it. It won't apply to amateur rugby or amateur soccer as they're in the same boat as GAA so it's not as if the local GAA club will lose out on players going off playing local soccer etc. This reflects the reality. Whatever about 2021, no amateur team sport can be played in Ireland this year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not listening to what the public health experts are saying every single day." I really don't mean to be flippant but which public health experts are saying amateur sport should be banned until 2021?"
https://www.independent.ie/sport/coronavirus-ireland-contact-sport-is-a-long-way-off-leading-experts-stark-warning-39147493.html
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Says I.
The gaa are money hungry and without a doubt they will push a championship into the 2020 calendar." Hard to say. Yes they love money but potential lawsuits could scare them badly enough.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2590 - 27/04/2020 21:04:57
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Hard to predict. Maybe they can arrange a shorter KO championship for this year starting late summer but I would be doubtful. Trying to keep players motivated and prepared must be a nightmare." Great point about trying to keep lads motivated. And as time goes by it will get even harder.
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Replying To OhtobeARossie: " Replying To Morty: "[quote=Onion Breath: "The GAA hierarchy are making fools of themselves at this stage. Week after week since this started they've had someone giving interviews on national media where they've openly speculated, in response to obvious questions, about different options and plan A dates and if that doesn't work out we'd look at plan B dates etc etc. Living in cloud cuckoo land they are. Their motivation of course is to get turnstiles moving again i.e. the loss of money is killing them.
Now the president has had to go on national radio denying a story about putative plans for inter county teams to return training. They need to show leadership and put an end to all this. A statement is needed that all GAA activity, club, county, Scor the whole lot of it, is suspended until the end of 2020 in the national interest. The association will review the situation in early 2021 having regard to public health advice at that time. And leave it at that.
And to hell with what any professional sport might do in the meantime, and individual sports like tennis or golf. If professional rugby or soccer resume in some limited form for commercial reasons let them at it. It won't apply to amateur rugby or amateur soccer as they're in the same boat as GAA so it's not as if the local GAA club will lose out on players going off playing local soccer etc. This reflects the reality. Whatever about 2021, no amateur team sport can be played in Ireland this year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not listening to what the public health experts are saying every single day." I really don't mean to be flippant but which public health experts are saying amateur sport should be banned until 2021?"
https://www.independent.ie/sport/coronavirus-ireland-contact-sport-is-a-long-way-off-leading-experts-stark-warning-39147493.html"]The GAA's main motivation is and always will be money hence the need to get inter county football back ASAP so nothing new on that front.. the director general is from an accountant background after all..... my main concern is seeing club action returning given the fact that it covers 98% of the playing population.. I hope I'm wrong but it's very hard to see any action of any sort this year so for players sakes the GAA need to take better leadership and say it how it is and no sugar coating
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No one knows what's going to happen.The Chance looks slim at the minute for any gaa to be played this summer with as we know social distance and that would make highly unlikely to happen.The problem the gaa has is it's not professional so it will be the last thing to start up again.How could you say ah yeah bang away lads play your football when people in pubs, hotels, restaurants, tourism's etc have no jobs or restricted custom it just wouldn't be right so unless everything is opened up again can't see how it will happen.That said it is only the end of April who knows it might not be as bad in the Summer (if we get one)and if it's like the flu it might not spread as quick.We are going to have to live with this viruse no doubt vaccine a while off yet,so it might come down to asking the players do you want to risk you and family catching this?that is such a hard question to ask lads/ladies who give up so much of their lives as it is, to play for the pride of their county/club.The players assocation in England have said the players should not play unless deem safe to do so,it's their living and they are getting so well paid for it and they are taking serious precautions, so the gaa has to ask themselves serious questions and be sure not to risk people s lives. Like yee all id love to see gaa back but not at the expense of anyone's life.Stay safe all.
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Replying To Trump2020: "Hard to say. Yes they love money but potential lawsuits could scare them badly enough." True but don't you know they'll get the players to sign a disclaimer Trump, the gaa won't be caught out like that.
Even horan said today that they'll do their best to squeeze in the 2020 championship even if that's next year, he said there was a great hunger for it from the fans but really what he's saying is they want a double payday next year.
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