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It's as simple as this folks. Life is not going to return to normal globally until a vaciine is produced, gets govt clearance throughout the World and distributed. So unfortunately we can forget about any form of chsp/leagues until this comes about.
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Replying To KillingFields: "Nobody does know but you write as if they shouldnt be discussing this?
At some stage there has to be opening up of events and stores to prevent a complete economic meltdown and push towards recession" It's coming but it'll be different. Masks, ordering through apps, drive through only in some places, etc. I see designer masks now being sold as if they believe it'll be around a while. Must look good while masked. And yes it should be talked about but mostly it's educated guesses but still guesses.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2587 - 16/04/2020 16:38:39
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The likes of pubs won't be happening anytime soon. A person stumbling after a few drinks, wouldn't be good practice for social distancing.
I don't know they could be opened before a vaccine is got.
Maybe some retail outlets could be open in a few months, with a limited amount per shop.
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My local shop won't even take lotto slips now, its gone quick pick only due to restrictions (not sure if its the shop itself or national) and lads think there will be gaa.
Good to see golf back in June behind closed doors wonder how flights to it will interfere wit who is and isn't available to play.
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Replying To FoolsGold: "The likes of pubs won't be happening anytime soon. A person stumbling after a few drinks, wouldn't be good practice for social distancing.
I don't know they could be opened before a vaccine is got.
Maybe some retail outlets could be open in a few months, with a limited amount per shop." Friend of mine runs a bar and is very worried about his business. It was already struggling and he reckons this could be the final nail....I'd say many thousands of pubs especially in rural Ireland are in the same boat.
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Replying To yew_tree: "Friend of mine runs a bar and is very worried about his business. It was already struggling and he reckons this could be the final nail....I'd say many thousands of pubs especially in rural Ireland are in the same boat." It sucks for guys like your friend. I feel bad for people like that. Some things will be changed forever due to closings or adapting to something else.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2587 - 16/04/2020 18:28:57
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the pubs will be the last thing to go back to normal you can bet your life on it, everything else first.
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Replying To moros: "It's as simple as this folks. Life is not going to return to normal globally until a vaciine is produced, gets govt clearance throughout the World and distributed. So unfortunately we can forget about any form of chsp/leagues until this comes about." people dont seem to realize, there will be no leagues next year either id say
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Replying To TheRock2121: "So when the league of Ireland is back, the gaa won't be? Connaught and Ulster will be playing matches but Donegal won't be? Can't see it." My point will be the less there is at stake financially for players and organisations, the less likely there will be that these will return early. I was more implying Premier League soccer etc. Lower leagues and in Ireland, these may be later.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 732 - 16/04/2020 18:53:23
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That statement is wrong. Soccer and rugby players and thousands of people rely on professional sports soccer and rugby for income to support their lives. GAA does not fall into this category. Ultimately if there is no soccer or rugby, the players are unlikely to get paid in the long run and the higher the stakes, the more the losses and the bigger the risks they will take. The GAA players can take it or leave depending on risks and given any risk I feel it would be more the later and rightly so. In short professional sports will be back first and GAA would be extremely foolish to compete with this.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 15/04/2020again GAA still requires extensive income level to finance all levels and everything within the organisation.
it's coming but it'll be different. Masks, ordering through apps, drive through only in some places, etc. I see designer masks now being sold as if they believe it'll be around a while. Must look good while masked. And yes it should be talked about but mostly it's educated guesses but still guesses.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 609 - 16/04/2020 16:38:39of course its guesses but it's natural and you cant not fo it. Nobody has said it wont be different.
The likes of pubs won't be happening anytime soon. A person stumbling after a few drinks, wouldn't be good practice for social distancing.
I don't know they could be opened before a vaccine is got.
Maybe some retail outlets could be open in a few months, with a limited amount per shop.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1971 - 16/04/2020 17:09:42you cant restrict many businesses that long or many businesses simply wont open again and you have thousands out of work long term and the state can not afford that.
people dont seem to realize, there will be no leagues next year either id say
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 1789 - 16/04/2020 18:52:50that's extreme and doesnt match much of what's been said by experts that there will be no leisure events in 8/9 months time.
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "people dont seem to realize, there will be no leagues next year either id say" I'm not going as far as saying that next year's leagues are at risk. The projected time scales for vaccines seem to differ. The words of the Italian foreign minister were interesting. He talked of the horror of the pandemic on Italy and that social distancing will be the norm for some time and he kept emphasising the need for a vaccine until normality as we knew pre C 19 will be restored. No govt will risk mass social gatherings for this to flare up in a second surge. As much as it hurts it's hard to see our amateur game having it's respective chsps so we can dress it up all we like with conferences and emergency congresses but it ain't going to happen and we might be better off putting a line under it now rather than later. This may be the sad reality of the situation for our beloved games for 2020. 2020 the year of the virus. ( I sincerely hope that the best international brains can get a vaccine as soon as possible for the sake of our world )
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Replying To befair: "I have some experience in this area; this year is definitely gone, and maybe next year as well. There are too many uncertainties about this disease, for which we have no immunity, no cure and and no vaccine. and which seems to affect different people in different ways. We also don't know the degree of immunity conferred by infection. We are facing a new normal, will just have to learn to live with it" Thanks for your post. With your experience what would be a logical time frame for a vaccine?
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2587 - 16/04/2020 22:28:00
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Replying To OhtobeARossie: "My local shop won't even take lotto slips now, its gone quick pick only due to restrictions (not sure if its the shop itself or national) and lads think there will be gaa.
Good to see golf back in June behind closed doors wonder how flights to it will interfere wit who is and isn't available to play." I heard the listowel races will go ahead on the June weekend behind closed doors so that's something for people to look forward to, it'll be broadcast live on telly.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/04/2020 23:00:20
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Replying To KillingFields: "That statement is wrong. Soccer and rugby players and thousands of people rely on professional sports soccer and rugby for income to support their lives. GAA does not fall into this category. Ultimately if there is no soccer or rugby, the players are unlikely to get paid in the long run and the higher the stakes, the more the losses and the bigger the risks they will take. The GAA players can take it or leave depending on risks and given any risk I feel it would be more the later and rightly so. In short professional sports will be back first and GAA would be extremely foolish to compete with this.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 15/04/2020again GAA still requires extensive income level to finance all levels and everything within the organisation.
it's coming but it'll be different. Masks, ordering through apps, drive through only in some places, etc. I see designer masks now being sold as if they believe it'll be around a while. Must look good while masked. And yes it should be talked about but mostly it's educated guesses but still guesses.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 609 - 16/04/2020 16:38:39of course its guesses but it's natural and you cant not fo it. Nobody has said it wont be different.
The likes of pubs won't be happening anytime soon. A person stumbling after a few drinks, wouldn't be good practice for social distancing.
I don't know they could be opened before a vaccine is got.
Maybe some retail outlets could be open in a few months, with a limited amount per shop.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1971 - 16/04/2020 17:09:42you cant restrict many businesses that long or many businesses simply wont open again and you have thousands out of work long term and the state can not afford that.
people dont seem to realize, there will be no leagues next year either id say
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 1789 - 16/04/2020 18:52:50that's extreme and doesnt match much of what's been said by experts that there will be no leisure events in 8/9 months time." Am I on my own here or can anyone else see that the GAA is also in lockdown like almost every non-essential sporting organisation or business. For what its worth I understand it cannot run on its own and needs financial help etc. However, the GAA never was and certainly shouldn't be now a business. There should be no full-time employees and I know there are a few but it should be minimal. Any that are affected can get support like all those currently on the live register. As the games and any works associated with the GAA are at a standstill, there should be very few expenses. Unless there has been significant borrowing no club or GAA organisation should be struggling otherwise the tail had been wagging the dog. In summary, if no activity in a voluntary organisation there should be no outgoings.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 732 - 16/04/2020 23:02:27
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@wintaallcost that's a very simplistic take on it. Their outgoings will of course go down but there are fixed costs that an organisation the size of the GAA cannot just switch off even in a lockdown situation. They still need to insure and maintain all of their property and other assets and pay core staff even though they should certainly be able to reduce costs substantially here. They will also have to untangle multi year deals that they have with corporate sponsors and commercial clients. You can also be sure every county board and provincial council will be coming to them looking for handouts too as they have no revenue and fixed costs to pay.
If they cut everything to the bone you are still left with up to €20m in costs, which might be ok if things return to normal in 2021 but I think that is very unlikely. They will have substantially reduced income until people are happy to pile in to Croke park en masse again.
I completely disagree that they shouldn't have full time employees btw. You cannot run a € 100m operation without qualified staff, there is just far too much involved. Their operating costs are nearly € 12m so they have a lot more than a few staff by the looks of it.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2113 - 16/04/2020 23:43:17
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Replying To winatallcost: " Replying To KillingFields: "That statement is wrong. Soccer and rugby players and thousands of people rely on professional sports soccer and rugby for income to support their lives. GAA does not fall into this category. Ultimately if there is no soccer or rugby, the players are unlikely to get paid in the long run and the higher the stakes, the more the losses and the bigger the risks they will take. The GAA players can take it or leave depending on risks and given any risk I feel it would be more the later and rightly so. In short professional sports will be back first and GAA would be extremely foolish to compete with this.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 15/04/2020again GAA still requires extensive income level to finance all levels and everything within the organisation.
it's coming but it'll be different. Masks, ordering through apps, drive through only in some places, etc. I see designer masks now being sold as if they believe it'll be around a while. Must look good while masked. And yes it should be talked about but mostly it's educated guesses but still guesses.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 609 - 16/04/2020 16:38:39of course its guesses but it's natural and you cant not fo it. Nobody has said it wont be different.
The likes of pubs won't be happening anytime soon. A person stumbling after a few drinks, wouldn't be good practice for social distancing.
I don't know they could be opened before a vaccine is got.
Maybe some retail outlets could be open in a few months, with a limited amount per shop.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1971 - 16/04/2020 17:09:42you cant restrict many businesses that long or many businesses simply wont open again and you have thousands out of work long term and the state can not afford that.
people dont seem to realize, there will be no leagues next year either id say
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 1789 - 16/04/2020 18:52:50that's extreme and doesnt match much of what's been said by experts that there will be no leisure events in 8/9 months time." Am I on my own here or can anyone else see that the GAA is also in lockdown like almost every non-essential sporting organisation or business. For what its worth I understand it cannot run on its own and needs financial help etc. However, the GAA never was and certainly shouldn't be now a business. There should be no full-time employees and I know there are a few but it should be minimal. Any that are affected can get support like all those currently on the live register. As the games and any works associated with the GAA are at a standstill, there should be very few expenses. Unless there has been significant borrowing no club or GAA organisation should be struggling otherwise the tail had been wagging the dog. In summary, if no activity in a voluntary organisation there should be no outgoings."
Many clubs/country's have loans however small. Pitches have to be maintained. Insurance. Will all competitions be run off in short period, meaning u get all the expenses for buses/laundry/medical at some stage? Not all expenses stop although a lot do.
Also fundraisers are being affected and when things return to normal expenses restart and these fundraisers haven't happened.
Potentially no cul camps.
It's the uncertainty that kills you. You have to plan for 10 different scenarios. A club could end up financially better off if season is cancelled....... but that's hardly what we want.
Speculating here at least keeps us some bit sane!
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1928 - 16/04/2020 23:58:00
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "@wintaallcost that's a very simplistic take on it. Their outgoings will of course go down but there are fixed costs that an organisation the size of the GAA cannot just switch off even in a lockdown situation. They still need to insure and maintain all of their property and other assets and pay core staff even though they should certainly be able to reduce costs substantially here. They will also have to untangle multi year deals that they have with corporate sponsors and commercial clients. You can also be sure every county board and provincial council will be coming to them looking for handouts too as they have no revenue and fixed costs to pay.
If they cut everything to the bone you are still left with up to €20m in costs, which might be ok if things return to normal in 2021 but I think that is very unlikely. They will have substantially reduced income until people are happy to pile in to Croke park en masse again.
I completely disagree that they shouldn't have full time employees btw. You cannot run a € 100m operation without qualified staff, there is just far too much involved. Their operating costs are nearly € 12m so they have a lot more than a few staff by the looks of it." Fair play to Cork County board for getting the gaa brass to takeover repayments of PUC, what is the repayments on that I wonder.
And I hope the gaa will be as willing to open their purse to the County teams outside of the redcow when this is all over, they might have to cut some of the funding to their favourite child the old blue behemoth but that would only be right seen as they can self sustain.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/04/2020 11:20:17
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Replying To winatallcost: " Replying To KillingFields: "That statement is wrong. Soccer and rugby players and thousands of people rely on professional sports soccer and rugby for income to support their lives. GAA does not fall into this category. Ultimately if there is no soccer or rugby, the players are unlikely to get paid in the long run and the higher the stakes, the more the losses and the bigger the risks they will take. The GAA players can take it or leave depending on risks and given any risk I feel it would be more the later and rightly so. In short professional sports will be back first and GAA would be extremely foolish to compete with this.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 15/04/2020again GAA still requires extensive income level to finance all levels and everything within the organisation.
it's coming but it'll be different. Masks, ordering through apps, drive through only in some places, etc. I see designer masks now being sold as if they believe it'll be around a while. Must look good while masked. And yes it should be talked about but mostly it's educated guesses but still guesses.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 609 - 16/04/2020 16:38:39of course its guesses but it's natural and you cant not fo it. Nobody has said it wont be different.
The likes of pubs won't be happening anytime soon. A person stumbling after a few drinks, wouldn't be good practice for social distancing.
I don't know they could be opened before a vaccine is got.
Maybe some retail outlets could be open in a few months, with a limited amount per shop.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1971 - 16/04/2020 17:09:42you cant restrict many businesses that long or many businesses simply wont open again and you have thousands out of work long term and the state can not afford that.
people dont seem to realize, there will be no leagues next year either id say
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 1789 - 16/04/2020 18:52:50that's extreme and doesnt match much of what's been said by experts that there will be no leisure events in 8/9 months time." Am I on my own here or can anyone else see that the GAA is also in lockdown like almost every non-essential sporting organisation or business. For what its worth I understand it cannot run on its own and needs financial help etc. However, the GAA never was and certainly shouldn't be now a business. There should be no full-time employees and I know there are a few but it should be minimal. Any that are affected can get support like all those currently on the live register. As the games and any works associated with the GAA are at a standstill, there should be very few expenses. Unless there has been significant borrowing no club or GAA organisation should be struggling otherwise the tail had been wagging the dog. In summary, if no activity in a voluntary organisation there should be no outgoings."
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Replying To moros: "I'm not going as far as saying that next year's leagues are at risk. The projected time scales for vaccines seem to differ. The words of the Italian foreign minister were interesting. He talked of the horror of the pandemic on Italy and that social distancing will be the norm for some time and he kept emphasising the need for a vaccine until normality as we knew pre C 19 will be restored. No govt will risk mass social gatherings for this to flare up in a second surge. As much as it hurts it's hard to see our amateur game having it's respective chsps so we can dress it up all we like with conferences and emergency congresses but it ain't going to happen and we might be better off putting a line under it now rather than later. This may be the sad reality of the situation for our beloved games for 2020. 2020 the year of the virus. ( I sincerely hope that the best international brains can get a vaccine as soon as possible for the sake of our world )" Talking about events next hear being at risk is bit far as shutdown cant last too long or country and countries globally will go into recession far worse than the economic crash at end of 2000s.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3786 - 17/04/2020 12:22:51
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Replying To winatallcost: " Replying To KillingFields: "That statement is wrong. Soccer and rugby players and thousands of people rely on professional sports soccer and rugby for income to support their lives. GAA does not fall into this category. Ultimately if there is no soccer or rugby, the players are unlikely to get paid in the long run and the higher the stakes, the more the losses and the bigger the risks they will take. The GAA players can take it or leave depending on risks and given any risk I feel it would be more the later and rightly so. In short professional sports will be back first and GAA would be extremely foolish to compete with this.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 15/04/2020again GAA still requires extensive income level to finance all levels and everything within the organisation.
it's coming but it'll be different. Masks, ordering through apps, drive through only in some places, etc. I see designer masks now being sold as if they believe it'll be around a while. Must look good while masked. And yes it should be talked about but mostly it's educated guesses but still guesses.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 609 - 16/04/2020 16:38:39of course its guesses but it's natural and you cant not fo it. Nobody has said it wont be different.
The likes of pubs won't be happening anytime soon. A person stumbling after a few drinks, wouldn't be good practice for social distancing.
I don't know they could be opened before a vaccine is got.
Maybe some retail outlets could be open in a few months, with a limited amount per shop.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1971 - 16/04/2020 17:09:42you cant restrict many businesses that long or many businesses simply wont open again and you have thousands out of work long term and the state can not afford that.
people dont seem to realize, there will be no leagues next year either id say
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 1789 - 16/04/2020 18:52:50that's extreme and doesnt match much of what's been said by experts that there will be no leisure events in 8/9 months time." Am I on my own here or can anyone else see that the GAA is also in lockdown like almost every non-essential sporting organisation or business. For what its worth I understand it cannot run on its own and needs financial help etc. However, the GAA never was and certainly shouldn't be now a business. There should be no full-time employees and I know there are a few but it should be minimal. Any that are affected can get support like all those currently on the live register. As the games and any works associated with the GAA are at a standstill, there should be very few expenses. Unless there has been significant borrowing no club or GAA organisation should be struggling otherwise the tail had been wagging the dog. In summary, if no activity in a voluntary organisation there should be no outgoings."
The GAA very much is a business whether you want it to be or not. Marketing, TV deals and their size alone show it as a major business.
There is still substantial costs between fixed costs that cant not be spent to many others.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3786 - 17/04/2020 12:25:25
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